I am Liberal what are you

Robert6671 said:

I hesitated here cause I can guess how this will go. I am not a hardcore liberal but my personal beliefs many times goes directly against the right which in many case is Christians.

I am against the death penalty, not because I think a pedophile or murderer deserves to live but because we put thousands of innocent people in jail each year. Many people who are poor and go before the court take a deal even if there innocent because they can not afford a good defense. Since the introduction of DNA evidence hundreds of people serving 20 to life or on death row have been exonerated. There are several case of people being executed and evidence found later showed them innocent. Unless we can come up with a way to bring someone back from the dead we have know right executing anyone. Personally I think being locked in a cage for the rest of your life would be worse than death.

Anyone remember The Bible series on the History Chanel. Anyone really think making the devil look like Barack Obama was a coincidence lol.

The last presidential election anyone facing Hillary Clinton would have won she was not going to win. But the republicans chose Donald Trump smh. We have here a man who for the last 40 years has shown he has not character what so ever. He stiffed contractors building his hotels and casinos cause people to lose there business jobs and homes. He cheats on his wives. He has been accused of rape and sexual harassment over 20 times in 40 years. The recording of him saying he thinks his wealth fame and power give him the right to put his hands on a woman sexually tell me some of those accusations are probably true. I have seen this man on tv and social media make fun of the poor, minorities and handicapped, and make racist and bigoted comments and then I hear so called Christians justifying this man.

I voted for John McCain then on his second term Obama. I chose not to vote this election cause I knew who would win. I new Hillary would win the popular vote and I figured the electoral college would put trump in office. I could not in good conscience vote for either.

Honestly both sides the left and the right leave a bad taste in my mouth

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That's another reason I'm against capital punishment.

I really think that most people, including me, are liberal in some things and conservative in others.

Don't forget, there was a time that female suffrage was considered a liberal idea.

Robert6671 said:

I chose not to vote this election cause I knew who would win. I new Hillary would win the popular vote and I figured the electoral college would put trump in office.

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Wow. If you really were convinced of that scenario prior to election day, you ought to see if one of the networks needs another election analyst!

Robert6671 said:

I hesitated here cause I can guess how this will go. I am not a hardcore liberal but my personal beliefs many times goes directly against the right which in many case is Christians.

I am against the death penalty, not because I think a pedophile or murderer deserves to live but because we put thousands of innocent people in jail each year.

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That's a pragmatic answer, so it doesn't mark you as either conservative or liberal.

I definitely consider myself a centrist. The political parties have polarized the issues to a point where compromise is veiwed as selling out bringing about extremism and division.

Two of my current favorite bible verses are Proverbs 4:27 & Deuteronomy 5:32.

Robert6671 said:

I hesitated here cause I can guess how this will go. I am not a hardcore liberal but my personal beliefs many times goes directly against the right which in many case is Christians.

I am against the death penalty, not because I think a pedophile or murderer deserves to live but because we put thousands of innocent people in jail each year. Many people who are poor and go before the court take a deal even if there innocent because they can not afford a good defense. Since the introduction of DNA evidence hundreds of people serving 20 to life or on death row have been exonerated. There are several case of people being executed and evidence found later showed them innocent. Unless we can come up with a way to bring someone back from the dead we have know right executing anyone. Personally I think being locked in a cage for the rest of your life would be worse than death.

Anyone remember The Bible series on the History Chanel. Anyone really think making the devil look like Barack Obama was a coincidence lol.

The last presidential election anyone facing Hillary Clinton would have won she was not going to win. But the republicans chose Donald Trump smh. We have here a man who for the last 40 years has shown he has not character what so ever. He stiffed contractors building his hotels and casinos cause people to lose there business jobs and homes. He cheats on his wives. He has been accused of rape and sexual harassment over 20 times in 40 years. The recording of him saying he thinks his wealth fame and power give him the right to put his hands on a woman sexually tell me some of those accusations are probably true. I have seen this man on tv and social media make fun of the poor, minorities and handicapped, and make racist and bigoted comments and then I hear so called Christians justifying this man.

I voted for John McCain then on his second term Obama. I chose not to vote this election cause I knew who would win. I new Hillary would win the popular vote and I figured the electoral college would put trump in office. I could not in good conscience vote for either.

Honestly both sides the left and the right leave a bad taste in my mouth

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ok, a political liberal. How about theologically speaking? Do you hold to the inerrancy of Scripture, believe in the miracles of the Bible? etc.

Robert6671 said:

Unless we can come up with a way to bring someone back from the dead we have know right executing anyone.

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Why did God institute it in the Old Testament? He required fallible people with even less science to make such decisions.

I have seen people exonerated because of "new DNA evidence," when it would appear to my eyes, judging from the logic of the argument, that the second ruling was the incorrect one. Every now and then, when a murderer gets out of prison and kills yet another innocent victim, I wonder what gave the jurists the right to subject the innocent public to yet another murder.

Paralysis by analysis happens when people won't make a decision, because they're afraid of making the wrong one. When people get in that state while driving it often leads to a car wreck.

Liberal! I hope I do not get attacked here by conservatives and CF staff members for these opinions:

Death penalty: Oppose in all cases except massive terrorist attacks
Euthanasia: Should be legal with family consent and/or a living will if there is no chance of recovery
Abortion: Support in first trimester only except for medical reasons, which don't have to be emergenices

I have already discussed euthantasia and abortion in Christian Philosophy and Ethics threads and only list them here to show how I am mixed about life and death issues. Later I will get to the not--so-fatal topics.

Are those three related issues all that your answer (Liberal!) is based upon??

Robert6671 said:

Honestly both sides the left and the right leave a bad taste in my mouth

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Welcome to that space occupied by neither to looney left or the rabid right. We like to call it the sensible centre.

I'd label myself far left economically.

I believe in strong social nets, permanently for folks who truly cannot work a 40 hour a week job, and temporary for folks who fall on hard times until they recover. Care is needed in this to avoid the moral hazards leading to generational poverty. Care is also needed to prevent dehumanization of the poor and disabled.

I believe the nation owes a debt to its veterans... I've met a lot of vets, and while they aren't getting physically spit on like the fellows that came back from Vietnam, we sure are spitting on them left and right with how we treat them whenever it costs money. With the repeated deployments and insanely long deployments of today, we are going to have massive numbers of vets requiring funding for war injuries, ptsd, and civilian reintegration... and for some, its going to be a life long expense. I remember talking to a WWII POW, and he was thinking every time we enter a war, there should be a war tax of some sort, not only for funding, but also as a means of making the sacrifice of war something everyone shares, not just the 20 somethings in the trenches.

I have a real problem with corporate socialism, whether it be via tax free zones, buying businesses to locate at A or B via tax incentives, or govt awarded monopolies. I view much of defense spending as make work jobs programs, not that we don't need some level of defense spending, but that the way we award programs and contracts is beyond idiotic. If we are going to do make work jobs programs, then do so in a way that provides value to the US citizen.

Case in point, some meds like insulin are ancient, and yet due to govt granted monopolies, the corporate producers of such price gouge patients. In the limited number of cases where that occurs, nationalize production, and put people to work. Socialism is govt control of production, and whether that occurs via nationalization of a given product, or by a govt granted monopoly, its still socialism. its just with nationalization, the citizen wins, rather than a corporation and its shareholders.

Voodoo (trickle down) economics does not work when we are on the bottom side of the Laffer curve. Reagan learned this and corrected for it in 1986... and his approach has been ignored by the GOP ever since. The whole bit about debt being absolutely terrible when its needed for programs one doesn't like, and is a none issue when it comes to programs one does like doesn't pass the smell test for either party.

When economy slows, crank up govt spending on infrastructure, cut taxes, and accept debt. When the economy cranks back up, cut spending, run up taxes as needed to keep growth in check, and use the funds to pay down debt and ideally build a reserve for the next downturn. It is mission critical not to use the excess for pet programs on the left or the right.

Albion said:

Are those three related issues all that your answer (Liberal!) is based upon??

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Of course not. I noted at the end I will get to the others at a later time.

My liberal views cover all topics: education, health care, equality, gun control, LGBT rights, housing, jobs, international affairs, the military, women's rights, immigration, and voting. Maybe deportation but I don't know where Democrats stand on that issue officially.

Because most political issues are complicated it would make more sense to post each of them separately. Do you want to read nearly-impossible summaries about my opinions on health care, education, etc.?

Definitely generally liberal. Sometimes so liberal I'm conservative. There are exceptions.

archer75 said:

Definitely generally liberal. Sometimes so liberal I'm conservative. There are exceptions.

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How is that possible?

ChristianForCats said:

How is that possible?

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Kind of a joke.

But for example: I'm so liberal that I believe the minimum wage should have kept pace with inflation -- without the trickery of changing how the rate of inflation is calculated. So the MW should be closer to $80. Not the pathetic $15 that we hear bandied about.

And that "liberal" idea would support the consevative idea of having thing socially more as they were in the 40s and 50s. One parent at a no-education job can support the family and plan to retire.

Im mostly apolitical. Politicians incessantly argue over everything and never admit when they're wrong.

(Romans 14) The kingdom of heaven is about righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, and because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.

I'm generally liberal except for on the abortion issue. I'm against euthanasia, the death penalty and I'm anti-war. I agree with ChristianForCats on the other political issues she mentioned in her post.

archer75 said:

Kind of a joke.

But for example: I'm so liberal that I believe the minimum wage should have kept pace with inflation -- without the trickery of changing how the rate of inflation is calculated. So the MW should be closer to $80. Not the pathetic $15 that we hear bandied about.

And that "liberal" idea would support the consevative idea of having thing socially more as they were in the 40s and 50s. One parent at a no-education job can support the family and plan to retire.

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During the 2016 Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders talked about minimum wage employees still being in poverty even if they work full time. I loved the way he ended his speech at it: "Let us make minimum wage living wage!"

Shiloh Raven said:

I'm generally liberal except for on the abortion issue. I'm against euthanasia, the death penalty and I'm anti-war. I agree with ChristianForCats on the other political issues she mentioned in her post.

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I am anti-war too unless a country is a legitimate threat to our security. I supported the Afghanistan War, but not the one is Iraq.