Rise of the First Animals - Scientific American (sorry, paywall)

essentialsaltes · May 28, 2019

The Rise of the First Animals
New fossils and analyses of ancient ocean chemistry reveal the surprisingly deep roots of the Cambrian explosion

By Rachel A. Wood

essentialsaltes · May 28, 2019

"... already we can paint a striking picture of how the seafloor became successively populated by ever more complex creatures tens of millions of years before the Cambrian explosion, setting the stage for the rise of animal life as we know it."

"Many key innovations in animal evolution that were traditionally thought to have originated in the Cambrian actually trace back much further in time to the Ediacaran."

"By the mid-2010s it was becoming clear that the Cambrian did not mark the sudden, dramatic departure from the Ediacaran that experts long envisioned. Not only had researchers begun to amass evidence that animals started evolving skeletons and building reefs earlier than traditionally thought, but we had also developed ecosystem models showing that Ediacaran animal communities shared many ecological traits with Cambrian ones. The 'explosion,' we were learning, had a far longer fuse than was previously recognized."

"Scientists have now assembled sufficiently large geochemical data sets that we reconstruct how oxygen was distributed, not just at individual Ediacaran sites of a certain age but globally through time."

The article goes on to hypothesize about the possible effects of fluctuating oxygen levels and anoxic regions of the ocean.

Gregory Thompson · May 28, 2019

Daniel 7
2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

Bungle_Bear · May 28, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Daniel 7
2 Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.
4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

Wrong thread.

Gregory Thompson · May 28, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
Wrong thread.

Nooo waay, toootally relevant. The only passage in the bible that refers to anything resembling evolution.

Bungle_Bear · May 28, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Nooo waay, toootally relevant. The only passage in the bible that refers to anything resembling evolution.

Like the rest of the bible, that passage is nothing like evolution. It also has no relevance to the OP, so wrong thread.

Gregory Thompson · May 29, 2019

Bungle_Bear said:
Like the rest of the bible, that passage is nothing like evolution. It also has no relevance to the OP, so wrong thread.

Suurre it doez. Animals are being created out of the water, and a mammal loses it's animal characteristics and stands up like in that evolution diagram, only difference, it isn't a monkey.

it was more of a whimsical gesture because I enjoyed what was shared, have a nice day.

Ophiolite · May 29, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Suurre it doez. Animals are being created out of the water, and a mammal loses it's animal characteristics and stands up like in that evolution diagram, only difference, it isn't a monkey.

it was more of a whimsical gesture because I enjoyed what was shared, have a nice day.

Your intent was honourable. The issue that might disturb Bungle Bear and certainly disturbs me is any attempt to correlate science and the Bible, either to "prove" the Bible, or to "disprove" it.

Whether we regard the Bible as the Word of God, or an important cultural collection of myths, morals, poetry and history, it is assuredly not a work of science. Attempts to suggest it is, even in part, are doomed to failure and tend to cast the proponent in a negative light.

Gregory Thompson · May 29, 2019

Ophiolite said:
Your intent was honourable. The issue that might disturb Bungle Bear and certainly disturbs me is any attempt to correlate science and the Bible, either to "prove" the Bible, or to "disprove" it.

Whether we regard the Bible as the Word of God, or an important cultural collection of myths, morals, poetry and history, it is assuredly not a work of science. Attempts to suggest it is, even in part, are doomed to failure and tend to cast the proponent in a negative light.

My intent wasn't about proving or disproving anything, it was more of a correlation.

Ophiolite · May 30, 2019

Michael Collum said:
My intent wasn't about proving or disproving anything, it was more of a correlation.

Fair enough. It's just that correlations, in science, are generally offered in order to confirm or deny a hypothesis, or strengthen the evidence for a theory. Pointing out correlations as simple observations is uncommon without some purpose behind it, hence the misinterpretation of your aim by myself and Bungle Bear.

Gregory Thompson · May 30, 2019

Ophiolite said:
Fair enough. It's just that correlations, in science, are generally offered in order to confirm or deny a hypothesis, or strengthen the evidence for a theory. Pointing out correlations as simple observations is uncommon without some purpose behind it, hence the misinterpretation of your aim by myself and Bungle Bear.

Well, the only theory my post would strengthen would be a conspiracy theory that the pattern was taken from that passage and then research funded by masons back in the 1800s using the KJV as a code book blah blah blah

I'm just examining correlations, correlations sometimes are just that, a lot of evidence is needed to make a conclusion. Plus I tend to live in questions .. it covers more ground.

USincognito · Jun 2, 2019

Michael Collum said:
Nooo waay, toootally relevant. The only passage in the bible that refers to anything resembling evolution.

Nothing in that passage resembles evolution.

Rise of the First Animals - Scientific American (sorry, paywall)

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