Yeah, reading comprehension is an important step between reading something and repeating it to others.
I still have no idea why you'd say this, given what is actually written in the report.
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Yeah, reading comprehension is an important step between reading something and repeating it to others.
I still have no idea why you'd say this, given what is actually written in the report.
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Oh, you can cure my ‘blindness’ and blow my ‘denial’ out of the water easily...
Just show me, anywhere, that Mueller makes the statement of Trump being cleared of collusion...!
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I still have no idea why you would hint the report says there was. It doesn't. Of course it's very typical of the left to double down on something even when their incorrect.
Where does the report say there was? If it doesn't say there was and doesn't provide evidence for then there wasn't any.
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Mueller provided no evidence or any statements indicating he was involved. If someone investigated you for homicide, but found no evidence that your mother committed homicide would you want people running around saying they didn't think she was cleared of homicide? I bet you and your family and friends, aquaintences would be saying she was cleared. Or would you be willing to stand up and say, well they didn't say she was cleared, they just didn't find any evidence that she did it.
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Exactly. Except that Mueller DID NOT investigate Trump and his cronies for “collusion”...! So, he could not have cleared them of “collusion”...
Let me help you....here are Mueller’s actual words...
“In evaluating whether evidence about collective action of multiple individuals constituted a crime, we applied the framework of conspiracy law, not the concept of “collusion.”
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Let me help you further...
“Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
So, Mueller states that Trump Co. welcomed the stolen material from the Russians, but he “did not establish” that there had been a coordinated conspiracy. “Did not establish” is a long, long way from “cleared him”...!
“Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”
So, Mueller states that Trump Co. welcomed the stolen material from the Russians, but he “did not establish” that there had been a coordinated conspiracy. “Did not establish” is a long, long way from “cleared him”...!
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You know it's interesting how you guys like to parse words as if it makes a difference. I know "collusion" is the narrative pushed by the media and members of the Democratic party or others that wanted Trump out. It's used as a generic term to cover all aspects of conspiracy, cooperation, cooberation, etc, etc. That way we don't have to toss out six different words when discussing the subject.
You just focus so hard on the word that you miss the point. Mueller didn't find evidence of Trump wrong doing with Russia and it's attempted meddling in the election. So, he was cleared.
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Only in your mind. Did not establish means he couldn't show he did. Therefore he's cleared. I couldn't establish your mother committed murder. Therefore she is cleared of that. Unless you want to claim she wasn't.
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Excuse me....???
Who focuses on the word “collusion”...???
It’s the most frequent word out of Trump’s mouth...!
You’re funny...............almost.
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No, she isn’t “cleared”. “Did not establish” means that, while you may have evidence that she murdered, you’ve assessed that the evidence isn’t enough to secure a conviction....
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Why would mueller investigate, for something that is not a crime? Conspiracy, is far worse and is what he focused on.
Collusion happens between parties all the time, especially when the term is used in such a loose fashion as most media have portrayed it. One could make a legit argument, that clintons campaign, paid an attorney to hire people to get dirt on trump, by colluding with russians, which is where they got their information.
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“But as the report makes clear, Trump and his senior advisers, including members of his family, were aware that the Kremlin was trying to help them, and, rather than sound the alarm to U.S. authorities, they were thrilled about the assistance.”
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Isn't it about time you guys stop repeating the "no collusion" mantra? The report makes clear that "collusion" isn't even a legal term and thus the Office of Special Counsel wasn't even looking for "collusion". Trump cleared of conspiracy, but there was more than enough to go after him for obstruction of justice.
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This hagiography isn't going to work on people who aren't his fans. The myth of what a tough guy he is just that. He's a blowhard who relies on lawyers to be his muscle for him. As he's discovering with the Europeans and Chinese, he bluff and bluster isn't going to work when he doesn't have the upper hand either by financially or legally bullying his opposition into submission.
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