Why we won't solve global warming.

Mountainmanbob · May 19, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
For the same reason we don't pick up litter left by someone else.

The left believes that the right is responsible for global warming. So they insist that the right solve the problem, while they supervise.

When is the last time you saw the one who makes a mess clean it up (if no one saw them make it)?

I don't know any Christians who speak of global warming being high on their list. Why? Because these ones depend on God for everything including the climate and also pick up after themselves having respect for God's creation the Earth.

After God made the Earth he said it was good. That's good enough for me.

M-Bob

OldWiseGuy · May 19, 2019

Ophiolite said:
Several Western countries have reduced their carbon footprint by importing goods from countries who have done less to combat their emissions. That is flawed accounting. The goods are used by us; we are responsible for those emissions. It is irrelevant that they occurred elsewhere. I am troubled that you do not recognise this. I gave you the stolen goods analogy to drive the point home. Neither that, nor this explanation should have been necessary to someone who actually cares about the problem.

So are we actually doubly guilty as we supply them with the coal that makes their export industries possible? It's up to them to price their exports to include the cost of reducing their emissions. That's one reason why our exports cost more; we include the cost of regulating our emissions.

Ophiolite · May 19, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
So we are actually doubly guilty as we supply them with the coal that makes their export industries possible? How should we correct this?

Vote for politicians who see climate change as the danger it is. Lobby politicians who do not. Seek to persuade friends, family and neighbours to do likewise. Etc. Etc.

OldWiseGuy · May 19, 2019

Ophiolite said:
Vote for politicians who see climate change as the danger it is. Lobby politicians who do not. Seek to persuade friends, family and neighbours to do likewise. Etc. Etc.

I think most here are aware of the problem. Changing our habits here does little to affect the really bad polluters. And as I pointed out to be fully guiltless we would need to stop all imports of their goods, and, stop exporting our coal to them.

Ophiolite · May 19, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
So are we actually doubly guilty as we supply them with the coal that makes their export industries possible? It's up to them to price their exports to include the cost of reducing their emissions. That's one reason why our exports cost more; we include the cost of regulating our emissions.

My most recent career role was in knowledge management. That colours my approach: make sure the facts are known, distributed and recognised. What follows is up to others more gifted than I.

OldWiseGuy · May 19, 2019

Ophiolite said:
My most recent career role was in knowledge management. That colours my approach: make sure the facts are known, distributed and recognised. What follows is up to others more gifted than I.

I agree. We have both done our part.

Strathos · May 19, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
I don't know any Christians who speak of global warming being high on their list. Why? Because these ones depend on God for everything including the climate and also pick up after themselves having respect for God's creation the Earth.

After God made the Earth he said it was good. That's good enough for me.

M-Bob

So destroying and polluting the earth that God created is showing it respect?

crossnote · May 19, 2019

JackRT said:
In about 6 billion years will "burn up" the last of its hydrogen and helium and slowly expand into a blue giant and eventually engulf the earth.

6 Billion years from now.? That runs contrary to the tenor of Scripture. I take it, you hold to man's words over God's?

JackRT · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
6 Billion years from now.? That runs contrary to the tenor of Scripture. I take it, you hold to man's words over God's?

If by "God's words" you mean the Bible then I disagree. The Bible is entirely man made and when it disagrees with science, I tend to opt with science.

crossnote · May 19, 2019

Shemjaza said:
Nice attempt at distraction.

Your comment was:
"It's been proven, global temps were just as warm if not warmer before the Industrial Revolution."
Which sounded like something completely made up to me, so I requested a source.

You didn't present one and instead trued to frame the discussion about end times prophecies.

Until demonstrated otherwise I'm going to take that as an admission that you have no evidence of global temperatures being as high or higher before the industrial revolution.

Admittedly, I was going by what I had heard and upon researching it out I was mistaken.
My Scripture verse (2Pet 3:10) wasn't a distraction but was given in hopes that others would focus on the reality of what this world faces temperature speaking (it will make today's temps seem like an ice age).
I hope you will research out that passage in the same way I was compelled to search out my errant statement about the Industrial Revolution.

Speedwell · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
'may well be' sounds like a real politician. It 'may not be' as well.

Have you got an alternative, science-based explanation?

crossnote · May 19, 2019

JackRT said:
If by "God's words" you mean the Bible then I disagree. The Bible is entirely man made and when it disagrees with science, I tend to opt with science.

If the Bible is 'entirely man made' as you say, then why waste your time on a 'Christian Forum' which is (according to you) based entirely on a man made book? Isn't that a bit boring?

crossnote · May 19, 2019

Speedwell said:
Have you got an alternative, science-based explanation?

'I may have', but then again "I may not'.

Ophiolite · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
If the Bible is 'entirely man made' as you say, then why waste your time on a 'Christian Forum' which is (according to you) based entirely on a man made book? Isn't that a bit boring?

Know then thyself; presume not God to scan,
The proper study of mankind is Man.

Alexander Pope

Rubiks · May 19, 2019

I think the issue is that the vast majority of people are only willing to make a difference to the extent that it doesn't interfere with their lifestyles, if at all (myself included). Congrats to those who are willing to do more than virtue signaling.

Hopefully once I find a well-paying job I can invest in some solar panels...

Ophiolite · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
6 Billion years from now.? That runs contrary to the tenor of Scripture. I take it, you hold to man's words over God's?

If God created the universe then His Word is writ large and clear in the nuclear fires at the heart of stars, the subtle variations in the cosmic background radiation, the Keplerian elegance of planetary orbits, the awesome construction of the periodic table, the encyclopedic scope of terrestrial history recorded in the rocks and the enigma unwound within our shared and evolved DNA. Why would you choose to ignore those words when he seemingly took so much trouble to create them?

Rubiks · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
6 Billion years from now.? That runs contrary to the tenor of Scripture. I take it, you hold to man's words over God's?

Huh. How'd we photograph a black hole if light could only travel for up to 6000 years?

Sparagmos · May 19, 2019

OldWiseGuy said:
For the same reason we don't pick up litter left by someone else.

The left believes that the right is responsible for global warming. So they insist that the right solve the problem, while they supervise.

When is the last time you saw the one who makes a mess clean it up (if no one saw them make it)?

Where I live, littering is NOT COOL and the general ethic is to leave natural places cleaner than you found them. So yes, we pick up after ourselves and we pick up after others too. Strangely and unfortunately, the people who visit from more rural areas are the worst litterers.

Sparagmos · May 19, 2019

Ophiolite said:
If God created the universe then His Word is writ large and clear in the nuclear fires at the heart of stars, the subtle variations in the cosmic background radiation, the Keplerian elegance of planetary orbits, the awesome construction of the periodic table, the encyclopedic scope of terrestrial history recorded in the rocks and the enigma unwound within our shared and evolved DNA. Why would you choose to ignore those words when he seemingly took so much trouble to create them?

AMEN!

Sparagmos · May 19, 2019

crossnote said:
Now that we have been having record cool temps, they conveniently changed the name to Climate Change. So how will we solve a problem that keeps morphing into another problem?

We haven’t had any record cold years. 18 of the last 19 years have been the warmest recorded in history. A week of cold weather doesn’t cancel out a hot year.

All of Earth's coldest years on record happened more than 90 years ago

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