Easter and Christians

Phoebe Ann said:

glad påsk

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Joyeuses Pâques!

-CryptoLutheran

Athanasius377 said:

This isn't a conspiracy to introduce pagan ideas into Christianity its ignorance of history.

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Ignorance of the well known historic introduction of paganism into the church.

Francis Drake said:

Ignorance of the well known historic introduction of paganism into the church.

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Funny how nobody seems able to provide anything even resembling evidence or support for these claims, but nevertheless seem to think that merely making the claim itself should be taken at face value.

This "well known historic introduction of paganism into the church", since it is so well known and historic, should be able to be supported by historical sources so that the claims can be verified.

And please, don't tell me to study this on my own--I have, which is why I know it's bupkis.

If it's so easy to verify historically, then it should be no trouble whatsoever to provide something in support of the claim being made.

-CryptoLutheran

Francis Drake said:

Ignorance of the well known historic introduction of paganism into the church.

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Can you tell me the history? And is it associated with this guy?

David Cabrera said:

Can you tell me the history? And is it associated with this guy?
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Now you're just messing with them.

-CryptoLutheran

David Cabrera said:

Can you tell me the history? And is it associated with this guy?
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I wonder if they even know about that historical connection between Constantine and Easter.

David Cabrera said:

Can you tell me the history? And is it associated with this guy?
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It's well known historical fact that Emperor Constantine once had a poker match with Helen of Troy, and he lost, and as per the ancient and well documented rules of the Macedonian Poker Championship (which had began in Corinth after its founding by Julius Caesar in 3,000 BC) it was up to Constantine to invent a brand new religion. And so Constantine went to the Library of Alexandria where he took all the books about various pagan deities and myths, and then told Eusebius of Caesarea to begin writing a new book for a new religion. Eusebius famously asked Constantine, "What, my Emperor, shall I call this new book?" And Constantine responded, "Call it 'The Bible'". Then after six months and the help of 72 scribes from Alexandria in Egypt Eusebius published The Bible and it was presented at a council held at Nicea. And then Constantine said, "We are all Christians now, and I have prepared peach cobbler for everyone in the main hall."

And that's how it happened.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

and as per the ancient and well documented rules of the Macedonian Poker Championship

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No! It was the GREEK Poker Championship! Those upstart Yugoslavs have no right to call it Macedonian... oops, sorry, wrong historical debate.

Phoebe Ann said:

glad påsk

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ViaCrucis said:

Joyeuses Pâques!

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Pask Lowen! (that's Cornish )

Ignatius the Kiwi said:

I wonder if they even know about that historical connection between Constantine and Easter.

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Oh right, the connection with Easter. That's from Constantine and his buddy Jeff, who was from West Philadelphia (in Anatolia), born and raised, on a playground where he spent most of his days, was playing some B-ball outside of school. Except back then B-ball was played with colored eggs, and Constantine, remembering his days with Jeff decided the new religion should also use colored eggs. Of course using eggs to play basketball with is notoriously difficult, which is why they would often get lost, and children would end up finding them later in bushes. And that's how we got Easter.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

It's well known historical fact that Emperor Constantine once had a poker match with Helen of Troy, and he lost, and as per the ancient and well documented rules of the Macedonian Poker Championship (which had began in Corinth after its founding by Julius Caesar in 3,000 BC) it was up to Constantine to invent a brand new religion. And so Constantine went to the Library of Alexandria where he took all the books about various pagan deities and myths, and then told Eusebius of Caesarea to begin writing a new book for a new religion. Eusebius famously asked Constantine, "What, my Emperor, shall I call this new book?" And Constantine responded, "Call it 'The Bible'". Then after six months and the help of 72 scribes from Alexandria in Egypt Eusebius published The Bible and it was presented at a council held at Nicea. And then Constantine said, "We are all Christians now, and I have prepared peach cobbler for everyone in the main hall."

And that's how it happened.

-CryptoLutheran

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And it came in a leather binding with gold edges

Tutorman said:

And it came in a leather binding with gold edges

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With red lettering in some places and the symbols K, J, and V on the front. Which stands for Kim Jung Vn, you see back then V's and U's were switched, so we say Kim Jung Un today. And that's how North Korea got started. Constantine man, what a jerk, amiright?

-CryptoLutheran

Some people say Helen of Troy CHEATED when she played poker with Constantine.

ViaCrucis said:

Oh right, the connection with Easter. That's from Constantine and his buddy Jeff, who was from West Philadelphia (in Anatolia), born and raised, on a playground where he spent most of his days, was playing some B-ball outside of school. Except back then B-ball was played with colored eggs, and Constantine, remembering his days with Jeff decided the new religion should also use colored eggs. Of course using eggs to play basketball with is notoriously difficult, which is why they would often get lost, and children would end up finding them later in bushes. And that's how we got Easter.

-CryptoLutheran

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No it's not. Easter ACTUALLY originated with the Aboriginal Australians, who would paint and decorate emu eggs to celebrate the emu breeding season, which typically begins in April. See...


Of course, there comes with this the very real danger of being pecked and kicked to death by an angry father emu while stealing his eggs (the male incubates them and cares for the young), so that's where Easter gets its connections with sacrifice and bloodshed ordained by an almighty Father. Obvious, really.

ViaCrucis said:

It's well known historical fact that Emperor Constantine once had a poker match with Helen of Troy, and he lost, and as per the ancient and well documented rules of the Macedonian Poker Championship (which had began in Corinth after its founding by Julius Caesar in 3,000 BC) it was up to Constantine to invent a brand new religion. And so Constantine went to the Library of Alexandria where he took all the books about various pagan deities and myths, and then told Eusebius of Caesarea to begin writing a new book for a new religion. Eusebius famously asked Constantine, "What, my Emperor, shall I call this new book?" And Constantine responded, "Call it 'The Bible'". Then after six months and the help of 72 scribes from Alexandria in Egypt Eusebius published The Bible and it was presented at a council held at Nicea. And then Constantine said, "We are all Christians now, and I have prepared peach cobbler for everyone in the main hall."

And that's how it happened.

-CryptoLutheran

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Perfect! Can I put in in my profile?

HIM said:

The day we celebrate the Resurrection which we call Easter was founded on prejudice and has pagan roots that date back thousands of years.

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The days of the week and months of the year are named after Greek/ Roman gods and have been so for hundreds of years - does that make them pagan?
Not in my book. What makes something pagan or holy, depends on which God is being honoured, and whether those celebrating are pagan or holy.

HIM said:

If We would celebrate HIS Resurrection it should be done on the end of Passover week not tomorrow. That was when it happened.

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There is no fixed date for Easter; it varies, depending on when Passover is.
But personally, I celebrate it every day - and certainly will do so tomorrow.

HIM said:

Solomen thought that there was no issue with ascribing to the pagan practice of sacrificing in high places to our GOD. His intentions were pure but it is recorded as a short coming.

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Unless a Christian is deliberately, and knowingly, sacrificing on a pagan altar; what's that got to do with it?

HIM said:

Solomon demonstrated his loyalty to the LORD by following the practices of his father David, EXCEPT that he offered sacrifices and burned incense on the high places.

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Not exactly Solomon eventually turned away from the Lord by having lots of foreign wives and worshipping their gods, 1 Kings 11:9-10. The Lord said that the kingdom would be taken away from Solomon because of his disobedience and worship of other gods, 1 Kings 11:11.

We don't worship other gods at Easter - or at any other time. We worship our God, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ who raised him from the dead.

HIM said:

The day we celebrate the Resurrection which we call Easter was founded on prejudice and has pagan roots that date back thousands of years. If We would celebrate HIS Resurrection it should be done on the end of Passover week not tomorrow.

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I used to feel quite strongly about things like this just as you obviously do.

There can be no doubt that pagan influences played a great part in the development of our Christian celebrations after Rome's official acceptance of it in the early 4th century.

But, unless you are going to dedicate the rest of your life to the study of ancient history you are not likely to be able to prove your point. There is still much debate about it. You, and most everyone here, get your information from secondary sources and that's just the way it is.

I believe there is enough evidence to believe that paganism was brought into the Easter celebration just as it has been with other practices in "Christianity". That may well apply to the name "Easter" as well as the date chosen for it's celebration.

For that reason I try to not use the name Easter anymore than I can help it. I don't feel that I need to repent if I do use it however. I would much prefer a name such as "Pascha" because it not only avoids any arguments about paganism but it links the celebration to Passover. But it pretty sure isn't going to change anytime before the Lord's return.

I don't participate in Easter egg traditions any more than I do Santa Clause traditions. I feel that they detract from the true meaning of the holidays even if they are not of Pagan origins.

I don't go to what are considered Christian Seders that celebrate the Last Supper because I don't believe it was the Passover meal but the preparation for the Passover. I don't celebrate "Good Friday" because I don't believe Christ was crucified on a Friday. I don't go to Easter sunrise services because I don't believe He was resurrected at sunrise on Sunday.

But by the same token I don't go out of my way to criticize those who do. That too is distracting from what our focus should be on around this time of year. When these topics come up I will participate in such discussions. But will seldom initiate them.

I detest false doctrine where it has become tradition in the so called church and I hate paganism where it appears as well.

I have enough on my plate critiquing Christian related false doctrine, particularly when it reflects on the proper view of salvation, without adding to my stress with what may be unsubstantiated claims about the pagan origins of Easter.

There's a lot wrong in "Christianity" and the Lord will no doubt set everyone straight when He appears in glory. In the mean time I'll try to stick with criticizing those particular areas that reflect on the proper understanding of the way of salvation.

i regardeth every day alike

His student said:

I used to feel quite strongly about things like this just as you obviously do.

There can be no doubt that pagan influences played a great part in the development of our Christian celebrations after Rome's official acceptance of it in the early 4th century.

But, unless you are going to dedicate the rest of your life to the study of ancient history you are not likely to be able to prove your point. There is still much debate about it. You, and most everyone here, get your information from secondary sources and that's just the way it is.

I believe there is enough evidence to believe that paganism was brought into the Easter celebration just as it has been with other practices in "Christianity". That may well apply to the name "Easter" as well as the date chosen for it's celebration.

For that reason I try to not use the name Easter anymore than I can help it. I don't feel that I need to repent if I do use it however. I would much prefer a name such as "Pascha" because it not only avoids any arguments about paganism but it links the celebration to Passover. But it pretty sure isn't going to change anytime before the Lord's return.

I don't participate in Easter egg traditions any more than I do Santa Clause traditions. I feel that they detract from the true meaning of the holidays even if they are not of Pagan origins.

I don't go to what are considered Christian Seders that celebrate the Last Supper because I don't believe it was the Passover meal but the preparation for the Passover. I don't celebrate "Good Friday" because I don't believe Christ was crucified on a Friday. I don't go to Easter sunrise services because I don't believe He was resurrected at sunrise on Sunday.

But by the same token I don't go out of my way to criticize those who do. That too is distracting from what our focus should be on around this time of year. When these topics come up I will participate in such discussions. But will seldom initiate them.

I detest false doctrine where it has become tradition in the so called church and I hate paganism where it appears as well.

I have enough on my plate critiquing Christian related false doctrine, particularly when it reflects on the proper view of salvation, without adding to my stress with what may be unsubstantiated claims about the pagan origins of Easter.

There's a lot wrong in "Christianity" and the Lord will no doubt set everyone straight when He appears in glory. In the mean time I'll try to stick with those areas that reflect on the proper understanding of the way of salvation.

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There was more than Rome back then, we had Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople.

David Cabrera said:

There was more than Rome back then, we had Antioch, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Constantinople.

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Agreed.

But many of the errors we find in the Western Church with which we have to do have been perpetuated by Rome in it's it's various forms.