How to recover yourself from Legalism pt 1.

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Before you spend a lot more of your time confessing your sin, i suggest that you read Romans 4:8.
And after you do, you need to follow up, with a deep study on "imputed righteousness", and stop trying to save yourself.
Now, im not certain what denomination has created you to think that you have to live a certain lifestyle, or God wont let you into heaven, but i can assure you that they are lying to you.
See, here is how you know.......God only takes you because the Blood of Jesus made you acceptable to him, to accept.

Now i know that no one has explained salvation to you, so that you see it truthfully, so, let me.

A person has a problem... They dont have, before they are born again, the same Righteousness that God has.....and because of this, they-you are separated from Him.......not a part of His Family.
So, He decided to resolve this, for they-you, and came here as a man, and died as a Savior.
His Righteousness, As Christ's, is given to anyone who will , by Faith, believe in Jesus. And once they-you do, then God gives to you, Christ's Righteousness, and from that moment, He only sees you, as RIGHTEOUSNESS< because you ARE.
You don't work for this.
You dont confess sins for this.
Its is a completed "sonship" eternal situation, where God has "rebirthed" you with the same Righteousness, as He has.
You are "made Righteous" thru the Blood of Christ, and you had nothing to do with it, Legalist.
 
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We are not saved by works... HOWEVER works ARE a byproduct of our salvation.

If we bare bad fruit... what kind of tree are we? IF we believe the bible, a bad tree can not bare good fruit nor can a good tree bare bad fruit.

There IS only one saviour and we are not saved by these works... BUT.. if ALL we have is faith, the bible states that it is dead. James 2:14-26.

A car does not move forward BECAUSE it emits gasses after burn off. The car moves forward because of the fuel combusting inside the engine which moves parts causing movement. The emissions are a byproduct of that action.

We are no different in salvation and works.IF we are saved, there will be fruit because the Spirit that abides in us will NOT allow us to remain as we were and instead of the bad fruit we bare on our own deeds, we will then bare good fruit because the one in us is good, not because we ourselves are good.

Nor will the Spirit in us be wasted, so there MUST be good fruit or we know what kind of tree we are.

If a tree bares no fruit... how can you say its alive?

If it bares bad fruit... how can you call it good?
 
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Twisting James, to reject Paul, is not what you need to be doing, on a Public Christian Forum.

Listen carefully, the Thief on the Cross....who Jesus took not just to paradise, but to heaven...what "works is he doing while hanging on those nails"?

We never as believers, do "works" to be accepted by God.....not Ever.
God only accepts any of us, including you, because Jesus shed His Blood, to make this possible.
So, don't insult Grace, and the Blood of Christ, by trying to misuse James to prove you are a Legalist.
Bad idea.

You should know that I do not allow unfounded and false allegations to go unanswered. Do not tell me that I am "Twisting James, to reject Paul". You're going to have to prove to me how I am doing that.

Quoting completely and in context an entire statement made by a person is not "twisting".
 
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Let me give you a quick bible lesson on that phrase so that you can begin to understand salvation.

Now, HTacianas...........do you see this phrase......"Know you not that the UNRIGHTEOUS".

That is the key.
As all the unrighteous will first go to hell, then later burn in a lake of fire.
Jesus, said of them, "depart from me, i never KNEW YOU".

now, see that "never KNEW YOU"....?

Very important that you pay attention, and get what im showing you, ok?
Now notice these 2 phrases.......""know you not that the UNRIGHTEOUS"....and "I never KNEW YOU">

So, who are the unrighteous?.......and who are those that Jesus never knew....HTacianas?

Its the CHRIST REJECTOR.
Its the person who is not BORN AGAIN......... and this can't be a Christian, HTacianas.
And why can you know this, and why dont you, is a better question..

Every born person is "the righteousness of God, In Christ".....so, there is every Christian....so, this verse you posted can't be talking about a born again believer, who is "in Christ", and has BECOME the very "righteousness of Christ".
And also.......Jesus can't say to a born again believer that He does not know you.
It would be impossible for God to accept you as a Son, and then Live inside you, and "Christ in you the hope of Glory", ...and then later him tell you that He never knew you.

Think.

Continuing your quote above from 1 Corinthians:

"Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites...will inherit the kingdom of God."

The apostle says that none of those types will inherit the kingdom of God. You are here saying it's perfectly fine to do all or any of those things. And I've heard that nonsense before. And I don't believe you. I don't believe you because I know that you are wrong.

You are clipping out words and partial sentences here and there in some futile attempt to support the things you have to say, but in reading the entirety of what you have mutilated tells quite the opposite.
 
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Nice cut and paste job.
Did you find it online?
Are you able to write an original idea or make a point without copying someone else's words?

And we do not enter the Kingdom of God by our effort or by a Straight Gate.
We enter by the Blood of Jesus, or we don't enter.
God does not accept any of your works to accept you, as all your works are a filthy rag, as compared to HIS Righteousness......so, you consider that, before you continue to run the track of the typical Legalist.

And no, i dont copy-paste what i write, not here, on in those 2 Threads, not on any forum.
I write it all.
I THINK, i commune with God, i consider, i take time, i work it out in my head, then i sit down and pour it all out, for the benefit, mostly, of those who might be sucked into the dark trap of Legalism by some bible twister that would do it to them, here, or on any Forum.

Let me give you a quick bible lesson on that phrase so that you can begin to understand salvation.

Now, HTacianas...........do you see this phrase......"Know you not that the UNRIGHTEOUS".

That is the key.
As all the unrighteous will first go to hell, then later burn in a lake of fire.
Jesus, said of them, "depart from me, i never KNEW YOU".

now, see that "never KNEW YOU"....?

Very important that you pay attention, and get what im showing you, ok?
Now notice these 2 phrases.......""know you not that the UNRIGHTEOUS"....and "I never KNEW YOU">

So, who are the unrighteous?.......and who are those that Jesus never knew....HTacianas?

Its the CHRIST REJECTOR.
Its the person who is not BORN AGAIN......... and this can't be a Christian, HTacianas.
And why can you know this, and why dont you, is a better question..

Every born person is "the righteousness of God, In Christ".....so, there is every Christian....so, this verse you posted can't be talking about a born again believer, who is "in Christ", and has BECOME the very "righteousness of Christ".
And also.......Jesus can't say to a born again believer that He does not know you.
It would be impossible for God to accept you as a Son, and then Live inside you, and "Christ in you the hope of Glory", ...and then later him tell you that He never knew you.

Think.

Or simply, the unrighteous? Because to be Saved one must have FAITH AND WORKS. Faith cannot exist without works, and works are worthless without faith. Its fairly simply. You do good in faith to increase your faith, in hopes that Christ will give you the ability to be more like him.

We are trying to become like Christ. That cannot be done without faith, but it is was saves as we are to be "partakers of the divine nature".

Why do you care whether he copied parts of his response? Better to copy then put to much emotional volatility into it eh?
 
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Before you spend a lot more of your time confessing your sin, i suggest that you read Romans 4:8.
And after you do, you need to follow up, with a deep study on "imputed righteousness", and stop trying to save yourself.
Now, im not certain what denomination has created you to think that you have to live a certain lifestyle, or God wont let you into heaven, but i can assure you that they are lying to you.
See, here is how you know.......God only takes you because the Blood of Jesus made you acceptable to him, to accept.

Now i know that no one has explained salvation to you, so that you see it truthfully, so, let me.

A person has a problem... They dont have, before they are born again, the same Righteousness that God has.....and because of this, they-you are separated from Him.......not a part of His Family.
So, He decided to resolve this, for they-you, and came here as a man, and died as a Savior.
His Righteousness, As Christ's, is given to anyone who will , by Faith, believe in Jesus. And once they-you do, then God gives to you, Christ's Righteousness, and from that moment, He only sees you, as RIGHTEOUSNESS< because you ARE.
You don't work for this.
You dont confess sins for this.
Its is a completed "sonship" eternal situation, where God has "rebirthed" you with the same Righteousness, as He has.
You are "made Righteous" thru the Blood of Christ, and you had nothing to do with it, Legalist.

I'm glad to tell you I'm saved only by Grace, and nothing else, and that only through faith, alone, and nothing else. And because of this being real, I'm wanting to hear and follow Christ. And because I then listen to Him, and love Him, then hearing His words I work to do as He said, just like He said we would, if we are His sheep.

Did you notice post #22 just above? It's a partial modern paraphrase of part of what is in John chapter 15 verses 1-17.

We need to hear what Christ says to us in John chapter 15 of course, and all of it.

We are not saved by works... HOWEVER works ARE a byproduct of our salvation.

If we bare bad fruit... what kind of tree are we? IF we believe the bible, a bad tree can not bare good fruit nor can a good tree bare bad fruit.

There IS only one saviour and we are not saved by these works... BUT.. if ALL we have is faith, the bible states that it is dead. James 2:14-26.

A car does not move forward BECAUSE it emits gasses after burn off. The car moves forward because of the fuel combusting inside the engine which moves parts causing movement. The emissions are a byproduct of that action.

We are no different in salvation and works.IF we are saved, there will be fruit because the Spirit that abides in us will NOT allow us to remain as we were and instead of the bad fruit we bare on our own deeds, we will then bare good fruit because the one in us is good, not because we ourselves are good.

Nor will the Spirit in us be wasted, so there MUST be good fruit or we know what kind of tree we are.

If a tree bares no fruit... how can you say its alive?

If it bares bad fruit... how can you call it good?
 
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The good news is, Legalism is not a life threatening condition, but it is a spiritual and mental health issue.

So, lets get right to it, so that if you have been infected with this heresy, you can begin to find your way out of its theological darkness.

What is Legalism?
Lots of Christians have random ideas about what it could mean, but here is what it is.......This is NT legalism as found within the belief system of any believer, who is a legalist.
Its simply that they believe, that, the Cross and the Blood Atonement, began their salvation, but didn't complete it. So, they take it upon themselves, to finish their salvation by :

Works.
Keeping Commandments.
Presenting an attempt to live a holy lifestyle.
Holding unto their faith, in their minds.
Obsessive confession of Sin.
Chasing with their lifestyle some idea of what they believe "enduring to the end", means.

Legalist's are trusting in and counting on their " religious behavior", to finalize what Jesus began and finished already for them on the Cross, which God gave them for Free, when they BELIEVED... ("Justification by Faith, without the deeds of the law")

So, all of this SELF EFFORT, is denying The Blood of Jesus its FULL CREDIT DUE for saving them and keeping them saved.

So, how did you get into this circular reasoning mind trap?
Well, the main culprit is that you are involved with teachers and other believers who are also lost within this self righteousness maze, and so, because you are surrounded by them, you dont realize your situation.

Let me now ask you a question. Do you believe that Jesus The Christ deserves FULL Credit, for saving you and keeping you saved? ?????
If you said "yes", then why do you believe that you can undo what you can take not credit for, which is the Cross?
Its because you have been taught to think of your Salvation as : 1 part Jesus... and the rest you have to do, to finish the job.
You have been lied to, by people who also believed the lie.

So, to be free from this..... what do you have to resolve within your belief system....what do you have to get the revelation OF, so that you can see what you have been believing, so that you stop giving the Cross some credit for your salvation, and your commandment keeping and works, all the rest?
How do you stop taking some of the Credit for your Salvation for yourself, which insults God's Grace, and God's Son?
How do you stop trying to make yourself right with God, by self effort, and realize and begin to trust in Christ Alone, now and forever, to be the only and sole reason you will end up in heaven after you die. ???
And THAT, is what you have to first realize you are doing, as until you realize it, you won't understand the depth of the insult you are committing against the very Blood of Yeshua.

So, here is how you start the recovery.
First.....you have to come to a full understanding of your position as God's PROPERTY, "bought with a Price", that has recreated your eternal Identity as, "IN CHRIST".
In other words, you have to begin, TODAY, to see yourself ONLY as God sees you, and not as you see yourself, regarding your Born Again status.
You have to learn to accept how God views you, and let go of how you see yourself.
When you read....>"as Jesus IS< so are YOU in this WORLD".....you have to believe it.
So...
Start here:

Colossians 2:10. "And you are COMPLETE in Him, (In Jesus)."

Now do you see that word COMPLETE? Do you understand this word?
Does it mean , partial, or, a work in progress, or nearly? ?
And who are you complete in?
And who is complete in Jesus?......= Its every born again Person......is that you?
And why does the verse say you are "IN HIM"< as the context for "complete"?
Its because this is your STATUS, according to God, as a born again family member of God.
And what is it lacking, if you are COMPLETE?......
Nothing.

And how is this verse to be understood, not only as your eternal "sonship" status, but also, your eternal Salvation, as they are THE SAME THING.......
So, IF this verse tells you that you are not only IN HIM< but you are COMPLETE< in Him, "in Christ", then what verse explains how Jesus has become your SALVATION?....as Completed, as designed by God the Father?

This verse : 1 Corinthians 1:30 :

""But of God, are ye IN Christ Jesus, who of God is MADE UNTO US = wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption".

Now do see this part of the verse....>"who of GOD, is made unto us"....

Thats the key, as what this means, is that God has taken righteousness and sanctification, and REDEMPTION , itself, and MADE IT unto us".
In other words, WHO/What CHRIST IS, God has "made unto YOU".
This is SALVATION....This is GRACE.....This is the Blood Atonement, as they have recreated you as "The righteousness of Christ".
This is who you are now, since the day you were born again, and for all eternity.

In other words, it has become, by God's power through the Holy Spirit , not just a part of us, but US......... WE have become what God has "Made unto us"...... We ARE =righteousness, sanctification, and Redemption, itself.
THis is what the Cross has accomplished for us, when Jesus said ::"it is Finished"
"Let the REDEEMED of the LORD...say so."

So, Legalist..... what are all your works, all your good deed doing, all your commandment keeping, as compared to what God Himself has ALREADY made you to be, ....as COMPLETED, In Jesus?

So much have you ignored; I am really sorry you do not think keeping His commandments are of any use towards salvation. I will give you these verses, but it seems you have ignored them or tossed them away.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

1 John 2:3
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.


First and foremost, if you do not keep His commandments, John says you are a liar and the truth is not in you. Now, dig deep and tell us all, how one who is a liar and does not have the truth in him, is saved. How does one enter life if he does not keep His commandments?

Are you saying the very words of Jesus Himself are a lie? Are you saying Jesus did not know about what He was talking?
 
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For clear discussion, it's important to know that most people have something just like the following standard definition in mind when they see the word 'legalism' --

"Legalism,.

The best way to understand if you are a legalist, is to ask yourself, "why am i not trusting in Christ to KEEP ME SAVED, and why am i trying to do this for myself".

And if you instantly start defending yourself, you have now discovered what you are, and from this point, you need to turn from this heresy, as it insults the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus.

STOP !
 
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