Uh-Oh....Is Uncle Joe in trouble?

civilwarbuff said:

Two prominent cable news networks offered zero coverage to the breaking misconduct allegation made against former Vice President and potential 2020 candidate Joe Biden on Friday night.

A former Democratic candidate from Nevada alleged in an op-ed published in New York Magazine’s The Cut that Biden inappropriately touched her at a 2014 campaign event.

Lucy Flores, who was running for Nevada lieutenant governor, was aided by the vice president just days before the election and appeared alongside the candidate at a rally.

JOE BIDEN ACCUSED OF INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT BY FORMER NEVADA DEM CANDIDATE

“As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. ‘Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?’” Flores recalled. “I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it… ‘Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?’ He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused.”

“Even if his behavior wasn’t violent or sexual, it was demeaning and disrespectful,” she later wrote. “I wasn’t attending the rally as his mentee or even his friend; I was there as the most qualified person for the job.”

Flores took to Twitter on Friday, saying it was “incredibly difficult” to come forward but “felt necessary.”

Biden spokesman Bill Russo issued a statement in response to the op-ed.

“Neither then, nor in the years since, did he or the staff with him at the time have an inkling that Ms. Flores had been at any time uncomfortable, nor do they recall what she describes,” the statement read. “But Vice President Biden believes that Ms. Flores has every right to share her own recollection and reflections, and that it is a change for better in our society that she has the opportunity to do so. He respects Ms. Flores as a strong and independent voice in our politics and wishes her only the best.”
CNN, MSNBC ignore explosive misconduct allegation against Biden

Hmmmmm…..no denial......

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Joe Biden has been accused for years of being a 'creepy kind of pervert' with all manner of photos, some genuine, some photoshopped, circulated on the web of him hugging, kissing, affectionately touching women and men of all ages. He likes to come up behind people and give them a hug or chaste kiss. I know quite a few guys who are pretty much like that. And I suspect that is simply who he is. To the best of my knowledge, I don't think anybody has ever accused him, much less shown evidence for, any seriously improper sexual behavior on his part.

Remember the bruhaha when President George W. Bush gave Chancellor Angela Merkel an affectionate (and inappropriate) non sexual brief shoulder massage? I suspect that is just the kind of guy he is too and did it without even thinking about it. (After all the publicity he no doubt did think about it after that and didn't repeat the 'offense'.)

My point is we can comment on stuff like this and laugh and joke about it, but honestly, it isn't any big deal. I can think of a lot of reasons not to elect Joe Biden President, and I think he now has a track record that will provide a lot of ammunition for any opponent, Democrat or Republican, but I want Americans to get back to focusing on what matters and the person's track record or projected agenda.

Do we want effectively open borders or do we want immigration laws enforced?
Do we want to keep the current immigration laws or relax them or improve on them?
Do we want different laws for different groups of people?
Do we want infanticide to be legal?
Do we want judges and SCOTUS justices and unelected faceless bureaucrats making law or should our elected representatives do that and the courts interpret the law as intended and otherwise be silent?
Do we like the current economy or do we want to go back to an Obama-like economy?
Do we want the government dictating what healthcare we are allowed to have or do we want a government that promotes the best healthcare system?
Do we want the government to control every aspect of the cars, appliances, equipment we are allowed to have or is the free market and common sense the best regulator of that?

The issues that matter, that affect people's lives, that make us better as a nation are what we should be focused on.

Uncle Joe Biden kissing some woman on the head is so far down on the list of what is important that I think we can have some fun with it, but otherwise can pretty much ignore it.

Biden is an abomination.

Even if Trump is guilty of sexual misconduct (and I'm not disputing that he isn't) how does that fact excuse Biden's conduct?

That's all this country has to stir the smut pot, someone complains because he touched her on the shoulder?

civilwarbuff said:

Two prominent cable news networks offered zero coverage to the breaking misconduct allegation made against former Vice President and potential 2020 candidate Joe Biden on Friday night.

A former Democratic candidate from Nevada alleged in an op-ed published in New York Magazine’s The Cut that Biden inappropriately touched her at a 2014 campaign event.

Lucy Flores, who was running for Nevada lieutenant governor, was aided by the vice president just days before the election and appeared alongside the candidate at a rally.

JOE BIDEN ACCUSED OF INAPPROPRIATE CONDUCT BY FORMER NEVADA DEM CANDIDATE

“As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. ‘Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?’” Flores recalled. “I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it… ‘Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?’ He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused.”

“Even if his behavior wasn’t violent or sexual, it was demeaning and disrespectful,” she later wrote. “I wasn’t attending the rally as his mentee or even his friend; I was there as the most qualified person for the job.”

Flores took to Twitter on Friday, saying it was “incredibly difficult” to come forward but “felt necessary.”

Biden spokesman Bill Russo issued a statement in response to the op-ed.

“Neither then, nor in the years since, did he or the staff with him at the time have an inkling that Ms. Flores had been at any time uncomfortable, nor do they recall what she describes,” the statement read. “But Vice President Biden believes that Ms. Flores has every right to share her own recollection and reflections, and that it is a change for better in our society that she has the opportunity to do so. He respects Ms. Flores as a strong and independent voice in our politics and wishes her only the best.”
CNN, MSNBC ignore explosive misconduct allegation against Biden

Hmmmmm…..no denial......

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In all honesty, I have become fatigued with these stories, "this one undressed me with there eyes", "this one smelled my hair", "this one grinded on my leg", why did she wait 5 years to bring the allegations forward?...Because it's bologna?...Probably!

"Not to mention her parents were standing right there laughing and joking with Biden. Do you think they would be laughing and joking with a man who was sexually assaulting their daughter right in front of them?"

That says it all ... right there.

civilwarbuff said:

This is not a Trump thread....feel free to go start one if you need to.....

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The point being if one supports this administration they literally have no leg to stand on with this one. Especially considering the whole “liberal media ignored it” thing is completely wrong and easily shown as wrong. She gave her first interview to CNN, they devoted a show to it, but they gave it no airtime. Yeah, right. They certainly covered it more than Fox News covered the behavior of their people and candidates.

Silverback said:

In all honesty, I have become fatigued with these stories, "this one undressed me with there eyes", "this one smelled my hair", "this one grinded on my leg", why did she wait 5 years to bring the allegations forward?...Because it's bologna?...Probably!

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Exactly!

Queller said:

If you think this is going to be an issue in a country that voted for Donald "grab 'em by the ..." Trump, you really need to get out more.

Didn't George W. Bush do something similar to the Chancellor of Germany?

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Queller said:

Trump made a crude comment about things he actually did. Not to mention cheated on all three of his wives, slept with a inappropriate content star and playboy bunny and walked into the dressing rooms of underage girls.

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Shiloh Raven said:

Yeah, I can't really take their alleged moral indignant reactions or their judgmental finger pointing seriously when they have supported (and even defended) Donald Trump for the last two years.

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Not defending Trump as some sort of moral example, but sleeping with a inappropriate content star and cheating on your wife aren't illegal. Neither is grabbing a groupie (he made the distinction) by her privates.

You might have something with the Teen USA thing, but it was never really proven to have occured and since the media didn't jump all over it I'm going to assume it wasn't a very solid story.

Trump did admit to walking in on girls but girls ages 18-19 also participate so it doesn't necessarily mean it was abuse of the underage. Legal? I'm not exactly sure what that would be classified as but probably.

Both are immoral.

mark kennedy said:

Exactly!

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It's on film.

☦Marius☦ said:

Not defending Trump as some sort of moral example, but sleeping with a inappropriate content star and cheating on your wife aren't illegal. Neither is grabbing a groupie (he made the distinction) by her privates.

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Uhhhhhh... Yeah, it is...

Tropical Wilds said:

Uhhhhhh... Yeah, it is...

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I don't think you've ever been around groupies. They are literally there trying to get the person's attention sexually in any way possible. I've seen them flash, grind on, and grab rich people. So no.. it's not at that point because it is consensual.

☦Marius☦ said:

It's on film.

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It's contrived.

mark kennedy said:

It's contrived.

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Joe Biden groping various girls and women on major news network footage is contrived?

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Wow

☦Marius☦ said:

Joe Biden groping various girls and women on major news network footage is contrived?

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Wow

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Yes, I've seen the videos and he is doing nothing of the sort, the allegation is contrived.

☦Marius☦ said:

I don't think you've ever been around groupies. They are literally there trying to get the person's attention sexually in any way possible. I've seen them flash, grind on, and grab rich people. So no.. it's not at that point because it is consensual.

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I’ve been around groupies... I’ve been a groupie... Just because one is a groupie doesn’t mean one consents to be grabbed in the crotch by the person you’re being a groupie to. You still have to consent and you can’t assume that it’s fine and just do it.

Strippers do the same thing, it doesn’t mean you can grab them. Walk down Bourbon St and people will flash you left and right, doesn’t mean it’s ok to grab them. The girl you see at work you know really wishes you’d ask her out? Can’t grab her either. “She really thinks I’m amazing” does not equal “I can grab her where and how I want.”

Tropical Wilds said:

I’ve been around groupies... I’ve been a groupie... Just because one is a groupie doesn’t mean one consents to be grabbed in the crotch by the person you’re being a groupie to. You still have to consent and you can’t assume that it’s fine and just do it.

Strippers do the same thing, it doesn’t mean you can grab them. Walk down Bourbon St and people will flash you left and right, doesn’t mean it’s ok to grab them. The girl you see at work you know really wishes you’d ask her out? Can’t grab her either. “She really thinks I’m amazing” does not equal “I can grab her where and how I want.”

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I don't know the circumstances under which you "were a groupie", but just because you didn't doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Ever see celebrity bodyguards have to block off whole spaces to keep women from ripping a the person's clothes off? Double standard btw because I don't hear anyone calling for these women to be arrested.

Stripping is an actual Job with rules. Terrible comparison.

mark kennedy said:

Yes, I've seen the videos and he is doing nothing of the sort, the allegation is contrived.

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So you've see the ones where he is kissing the back of women's heads, grabbing children by the waist, sniffing their hair, pulling them closer to him when they back away, rubbing his crotch on them, or whispering things in their ears?

HannahT said:

He was a bit odd.

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I watched the video. During the run time Biden touched and/or put his hands on the six year old girl twenty-six different times, to include stroking her face, chin, and shoulder. To me, that clearly crosses a line.

mark kennedy said:

Yes, I've seen the videos and he is doing nothing of the sort, the allegation is contrived.

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When I am introduced to someone else's children, I don't touch them at all. Do you not understand why pawing all over a child would be, at least by rational people, considered inappropriate?