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visionary · Mar 7, 2013

Why I pick 30 AD for the death of Yeshua... Daniel 9:27 - He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD minus 40 years equals 30 AD.

"Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the prince, shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, it shall be built again, with plaza and moat, but in times of distress." Daniel 9:25-26. There are many ways this is calculated - In Nehemiah 2:1 we see the decree to rebuild, issued in the 20th year of King Artaxerxes, (about 445 B.C.) Messiah comes 483 years after the decree to rebuild is issued [Calculated by adding 7 weeks (49 years) + 62 weeks (434 years)] this arrives at about the time of Yeshua's triumphant entry in Jerusalem. Messiah comes 434 years after rebuilding, or 483 years after decree is first issued giving permission to rebuild -- hence 483 years (7 weeks + 62 weeks).

GuardianShua · Mar 7, 2013

Yahshua was 30 when he began his mission.

Steve Petersen · Mar 7, 2013

GuardianShua · Mar 7, 2013

Steve Petersen said:
Yawn.

The upteenth iteration of this topic.

Can we finally move on from this?

You need to find something constructive to do.

visionary · Mar 8, 2013

Steve Petersen said:
Yawn.

The upteenth iteration of this topic.

Can we finally move on from this?

Looking forward to what new thread you bring on the forum that is part of your "move on" subject.. :wave:

ananda · Mar 8, 2013

visionary said:
Why I pick 30 AD for the death of Yeshua... Daniel 9:27 - He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD minus 40 years equals 30 AD.

I suggest that the Temple began to be destroyed in 70 A.D., and the totality of the destruction was not complete until 71 A.D. After all, it took years to build the Temple, and it would've taken some time to dismantle the huge structure. This would allow for a 31 A.D. death.

GuardianShua · Mar 8, 2013

netzarim said:
I suggest that the Temple began to be destroyed in 70 A.D., and the totality of the destruction was not complete until 71 A.D. After all, it took years to build the Temple, and it would've taken some time to dismantle the huge structure. This would allow for a 31 A.D. death.

Some where in the dead sea scrolls is a commentary about the gathering of the messiah, and how 40 years would pass from that time to the destruction of the temple. That time starts with his mission at age 30.

visionary · Mar 12, 2013

WHAT IS THE 'OBLATION'?

The Stone 'Oblation' Altar has been completed by the Temple Institute for the 3rd Temple

visionary · Mar 12, 2013

The Oblation was a morning & evening sacrifice that included a grain/drink offering, and it had NOTHING to do with a blood atonement sacrifice.

visionary · Mar 12, 2013

Remember the Temple doesn't have to be rebuilt in order for them to offer sacrifice....only the altar.

The Temple Institute: Building the Stone Altar on the 9th of Av, 5769/2009

What is the danger in failing to support the oblations?

The Temple Institute: The Temple Institute's Exhibition is Moving to a New Location

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 27, 2019

visionary said:
Remember the Temple doesn't have to be rebuilt in order for them to offer sacrifice....only the altar.

The Temple Institute: Building the Stone Altar on the 9th of Av, 5769/2009

What is the danger in failing to support the oblations?

The Temple Institute: The Temple Institute's Exhibition is Moving to a New Location

Hi sister and thank you for sharing these links. That's a great point you made about the temple not needing to exist in order to offer sacrifices on the altar. And this can be scripturally supported with the story of the garden of Eden which was the original temple God made in order to dwell with man. And the story of Cain and Abel proves that they did not need the temple to offer their sacrifices on the altars they built.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 29, 2019

visionary said:
Why I pick 30 AD for the death of Yeshua... Daniel 9:27 - He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week, he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease. The Temple was destroyed in 70 AD minus 40 years equals 30 AD.

"Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the prince, shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks, it shall be built again, with plaza and moat, but in times of distress." Daniel 9:25-26. There are many ways this is calculated - In Nehemiah 2:1 we see the decree to rebuild, issued in the 20th year of King Artaxerxes, (about 445 B.C.) Messiah comes 483 years after the decree to rebuild is issued [Calculated by adding 7 weeks (49 years) + 62 weeks (434 years)] this arrives at about the time of Yeshua's triumphant entry in Jerusalem. Messiah comes 434 years after rebuilding, or 483 years after decree is first issued giving permission to rebuild -- hence 483 years (7 weeks + 62 weeks).

Since BC = Before Christ and AD = Year of our Lord wouldn't it be simpler to say that Yeshua died in 30 AD since Luke 3:23 tells us He was 30 Years of age when He began His ministry? Therefore one could begin 30 AD as their first count and continue backwards until arriving at 1 AD. This would make more sense since...Yeshua could not be born any numbers of years before His coming (i.e. [X] BC), especially since the BC/AD timeline is centered around the birth of Christ.

visionary · Mar 29, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
Since BC = Before Christ and AD = Year of our Lord wouldn't it be simpler to say that Yeshua died in 30 AD since Luke 3:23 tells us He was 30 Years of age when He began His ministry? Therefore one could begin 30 AD as their first count and continue backwards until arriving at 1 AD. This would make more sense since...Yeshua could not be born any numbers of years before His coming (i.e. [X] BC), especially since the BC/AD timeline is centered around the birth of Christ.

I have heard calculations that estimate the time of birth anywhere from 4-6 years before AD.

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 29, 2019

visionary said:
I have heard calculations that estimate the time of birth anywhere from 4-6 years before AD.

I have heard those years as well but, it conflicts with the acronyms of the timeline itself. How could Jesus Christ be born 4-6 Years Before Christ? The answer is, He can't.

visionary · Mar 29, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
I have heard year as well but, it conflicts with the acronyms of the timeline itself. How could Jesus Christ be born 4-6 Years Before Christ? The answer is, He can't.

Unless what they say is true, that those who calculated the AD start date were wrong. Yeshua - born Sept. 11, 3 BC is one that I am revisiting... for its possiblities

visionary · Mar 29, 2019

Yeshua would’ve been born on the Feast of Tabernacles (6 months after John the Baptist’s birth) but since that year in 3 B.C. was a “leap year” and the month of Adar II was not in the calendar that year (making the year shorter), then counting 180 days from Passover in that year landed precisely on Yom Teruah or Feast of Trumpets when Yeshua was born!

We also know that scripture records that when he was baptized, he was “beginning to be about 30 years old.” He was not quite 30 years old yet, but he would be on the Feast of Trumpets within 30 days of his baptism!

In order to fulfill the Torah/Law, neither John the Baptist nor Yeshua were eligible for initiation into the ministry until they were fully 30 years old (Num. 4:3, 23, 30, 35, 39). Scripture tells us that John the Baptist was 6 months older than Yeshua since the angel Gabriel came to Mary/Miriyam in the “sixth month” of Elizabeth’s pregnancy to announce that she would conceive Yeshua. (Luke 1:24-36). John the Baptist probably began his ministry around his 30th birthday which had fallen on Passover. Six months later, Yeshua began his ministry at the age of 30 since the scriptures tell us that “he began to be about thirty years of age” (Luke 3:23).

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 29, 2019

visionary said:
Unless what they say is true, that those who calculated the AD start date were wrong. Yeshua - born Sept. 11, 3 BC is one that I am revisiting... for its possiblities

There are two major issues which I have with the historians date setting and calculations:

1) They do not cite what prophecy or scripture they based their knowledge of how many years there would be until Christ Jesus was born.

2) Any claim made about Christ being born in BC contradicts the very principle of the BC/AD timeline.

Based on these two issues the only logical conclusion to order the dates correctly on our BC/AD timeline is to say that the year Jesus Christ was born was 1 AD as there is no 0 AD in the timeline aforementioned. Thus if we begin our first count with 1 AD continuing to 30 AD we get a count of 30 Years. This same logic may be applied in reverse.

A separate issue which must be tackled after one understands the above is the calendar system being used to calculate the dates in the first place. A simple solar or lunar calendar without any leap frogs in them will simply mean that the lunar calendar will always be ten days behind the Sun each year. When you include the leap frogs into the equation the dates will change as I have demonstrated in my thread Jubilee Period Versus Jubilee Year and Jesus' Birth, Daniel, and the Beginning of the World. This cannot be stressed enough nor, should it be underestimated sister.

visionary said:
Yeshua would’ve been born on the Feast of Tabernacles (6 months after John the Baptist’s birth) but since that year in 3 B.C. was a “leap year” and the month of Adar II was not in the calendar that year (making the year shorter), then counting 180 days from Passover in that year landed precisely on Yom Teruah or Feast of Trumpets when Yeshua was born!

We also know that scripture records that when he was baptized, he was “beginning to be about 30 years old.” He was not quite 30 years old yet, but he would be on the Feast of Trumpets within 30 days of his baptism!

In order to fulfill the Torah/Law, neither John the Baptist nor Yeshua were eligible for initiation into the ministry until they were fully 30 years old (Num. 4:3, 23, 30, 35, 39). Scripture tells us that John the Baptist was 6 months older than Yeshua since the angel Gabriel came to Mary/Miriyam in the “sixth month” of Elizabeth’s pregnancy to announce that she would conceive Yeshua. (Luke 1:24-36). John the Baptist probably began his ministry around his 30th birthday which had fallen on Passover. Six months later, Yeshua began his ministry at the age of 30 since the scriptures tell us that “he began to be about thirty years of age” (Luke 3:23).

This then would mean that Yeshua had a 1 Year ministry as opposed to the commonly preached 3-3.5 Year ministry. The former is what I am inclining towards as the events during Yeshua's final time came very rapidly one after the other. And let's not forget that He read the book of Isaiah right before His death when He proclaimed and fulfilled the acceptable year (singular) of the YHWH.

visionary · Mar 29, 2019

YHWH_will_uplift said:
There are two major issues which I have with the historians date setting and calculations:

1) They do not cite what prophecy or scripture they based their knowledge of how many years there would be until Christ Jesus was born.

2) Any claim made about Christ being born in BC contradicts the very principle of the BC/AD timeline.

Based on these two issues the only logical conclusion to order the dates correctly on our BC/AD timeline is to say that the year Jesus Christ was born was 1 AD as their is no 0 AD in the timeline aforementioned. Thus if we begin our first count with 1 AD continuing to 30 AD we get a count of 30 Years. This same logic may be applied in reverse.

A separate issue which must be tackled after one understands the above is the calendar system being used to calculate the dates in the first place. A simple solar or lunar calendar without any leap frogs in them will simply mean that the lunar calendar will always be ten days behind the Sun each year. When you include the leap frogs into the equation the dates will change as I have demonstrated in my thread Jubilee Period Versus Jubilee Year and Jesus' Birth, Daniel, and the Beginning of the World. This cannot be stressed enough nor, should it be underestimated sister.

This then would mean that Yeshua had a 1 Year ministry as opposed to the commonly preached 3-3.5 Year ministry. The former is what I am inclining towards as the events during Yeshua's final time came very rapidly one after the other. And let's not forget that He read the book of Isaiah right before His death when He proclaimed and fulfilled the acceptable year (singular) of the YHWH.

We have a study on the 1 year ministry of Yeshua ..thread.. Jesus One Year Ministry

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 29, 2019

visionary said:
We have a study on the 1 year ministry of Yeshua ..thread.. Jesus One Year Ministry

You are so cool!

YHWH_will_uplift · Mar 29, 2019

visionary said:
We have a study on the 1 year ministry of Yeshua ..thread.. Jesus One Year Ministry

Alright so I read the thread and something came to me which I believe all of us have missed with this one Passover versus three Passover argument: it is possible to have a one year ministry with three passover feasts in it:

If any of the Israelites missed the first Passover on the 14th Day of the 1st Month, then they could attend a second Passover on the 14th Day of the 2nd Month (Numbers 9:1-14).

Therefore when Jesus was 29 Years Old the first Passover would arrive in the first month; followed by the second Passover in the second month; and finally when Jesus turned 30 Years Old the third Passover arrived in the first month where He was crucified, buried, and resurrected three days and three nights after! And this would align perfectly with Numbers 4:1-3 as Jesus would not be able to serve in the temple (as you kindly pointed out sister visionary!). And whether Jesus was twenty nine or thirty years of age according to Luke 3:23, we know that He would have turned thirty years old on or before He served in the temple; this is further proven when He read from the scroll of Isaiah proclaiming the year of Jubilee before His death on the cross (Luke 4:18-21 cf. Isaiah 61:1-2).

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