LDS LDS, when did Jesus become God?

tampasteve · Jan 14, 2019

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Peter1000 · Jan 14, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
Jesus is the unique ONLY begotten Son of the father, eternally has been God, while all of us saved were adopted into the Family of God!
Jesus took upon Himself limittaions of the flesh, so He decided to not be all knowing while here on earth, but when resurrected to Heaven , reassumed being all knowing again!
And Jesus point to the man asking Him was that if you call Him good, are you seeing Jesus is God?

I know you would have a problem analyzing this scripture and so you did not.

So I will ask a couple of questions: Jesus says he is ascending to his God. Who is Jesus's God?

Jesus says he is ascending to his Father and our Father. Is Jesus's Father the same as our Father as Jesus says?

The man called Jesus "good master" and Jesus rebuked him for calling Jesus good. Then Jesus told the man that there was only 1 Person that was good, and that was his God. I do not know why Jesus said that, but he was surely pointing us to another Person, God, and was not referring to himself. It was a teaching lesson that there is 2 Persons in the Trinity, separate and distinct.

Peter1000 · Jan 14, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
In Hebrew Language for thousands of years even more proof, unshakeable proof, that Jesus is God, One with the Father, eternally without beginning and without end, uncreated.

Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father, he is God the Son. How do we reconcile their physical oneness when Jesus tells Mary that he is to ascend to his God, who is in heaven.
Jesus/God the Son is on earth, God/God the Father is in heaven. Separate and distinct.

Rescued One · Jan 14, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father, he is God the Son. How do we reconcile their physical oneness when Jesus tells Mary that he is to ascend to his God, who is in heaven.
Jesus/God the Son is on earth, God/God the Father is in heaven. Separate and distinct.

Why do you limit God to your human understanding?

Isaiah 43:10 - 11

dzheremi · Jan 15, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father, he is God the Son. How do we reconcile their physical oneness when Jesus tells Mary that he is to ascend to his God, who is in heaven.
Jesus/God the Son is on earth, God/God the Father is in heaven. Separate and distinct.

"Physical oneness"? In Christianity, God the Father does not have a physical body. That's kind of a big deal with regard to understanding the incarnation; as I've asked before (and never received an answer to from a Mormon, as far as I remember), what would be the point of the incarnation to one who is already incarnate (already has a body)? How could there even be an incarnation in the first place if He is already incarnate, as in Mormonism?

Rather in the scriptures Christ is called the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15).

Peter1000 · Jan 15, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Why do you limit God to your human understanding?

Isaiah 43:10 - 11

What other understanding can we have? Do you have a superior superhuman understanding. If you do, let me know what you know.

Limit is a bad word though, since we know God is not limited to anything. If you think because we believe He is in a body of flesh and bone and spirit, that He is limited, think again. His influence and spirit is felt fills the universe, worlds without end. So no, God is not limited in body of mind or any attributes. You will find this out when you are resurrected with a perfect body of flesh and bone and spirit, and find out how much more freedom you will enjoy with this new body. You will think you are limitless, but until your body is exalted, you will not share the same kind of limitlessness that God enjoys.

Peter1000 · Jan 15, 2019

dzheremi said:
"Physical oneness"? In Christianity, God the Father does not have a physical body. That's kind of a big deal with regard to understanding the incarnation; as I've asked before (and never received an answer to from a Mormon, as far as I remember), what would be the point of the incarnation to one who is already incarnate (already has a body)? How could there even be an incarnation in the first place if He is already incarnate, as in Mormonism?

Rather in the scriptures Christ is called the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15).

Before the incarnation, God the Father had a perfect (with incredible qualities) resurrected body of flesh and bone and spirit. God the Son existed also before the incarnation, but only as a spirit being. Then God the Son was incarnated and this spirit being was brought into the body that was formed by God and Mary and God the Son became a mortal human being. (actually he was still God, the Son because his Father was God the Father, and mortal because his mother was mortal)

After his mortal ministry, God the Son was in the form of a spirit being for 3 days after his mortal body died on the cross and was laid in the tomb. After 3 days, the spirit being again entered into the flesh and bone body, and he experienced the first resurrection. The resurrection was completed and now God the Son has a perfect (with incredible qualities) body of flesh and bone and spirit, just like his God, God the Father.(John 20:17)

The invisibleness of God is not that God the Father is really invisible, but it is that he is rarely seen by men on earth. That is the problem you have with Jesus being God the Father. God the Son has been seen my thousands during his earthly ministry, so if you think God is invisible then Jesus to you is not God. But to us, Jesus is not God the Father, but is God the Son, distinct from God the Father. Our logic makes sense of all of the scriptures, not just a few that serve your belief about God.

mmksparbud · Jan 15, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Before the incarnation, God the Father had a perfect (with incredible qualities) resurrected body of flesh and bone and spirit. God the Son existed also before the incarnation, but only as a spirit being. Then God the Son was incarnated and this spirit being was brought into the body that was formed by God and Mary and God the Son became a mortal human being. (actually he was still God, the Son because his Father was God the Father, and mortal because his mother was mortal)

After his mortal ministry, God the Son was in the form of a spirit being for 3 days after his mortal body died on the cross and was laid in the tomb. After 3 days, the spirit being again entered into the flesh and bone body, and he experienced the first resurrection. The resurrection was completed and now God the Son has a perfect (with incredible qualities) body of flesh and bone and spirit, just like his God, God the Father.(John 20:17)

The invisibleness of God is not that God the Father is really invisible, but it is that he is rarely seen by men on earth. That is the problem you have with Jesus being God the Father. God the Son has been seen my thousands during his earthly ministry, so if you think God is invisible then Jesus to you is not God. But to us, Jesus is not God the Father, but is God the Son, distinct from God the Father. Our logic makes sense of all of the scriptures, not just a few that serve your belief about God.

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

dzheremi · Jan 15, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Before the incarnation, God the Father had a perfect (with incredible qualities) resurrected body of flesh and bone and spirit.

After his mortal ministry, God the Son was in the form of a spirit being for 3 days after his mortal body died on the cross and was laid in the tomb. After 3 days, the spirit being again entered into the flesh and bone body, and he experienced the first resurrection. The resurrection was completed and now God the Son has a perfect (with incredible qualities) body of flesh and bone and spirit, just like his God, God the Father.(John 20:17)

John 20:17 says: Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’ ”

Where is anything in here about how "now God the Son has a perfect (with incredible qualities) body of flesh and bone and spirit, just like his God, God the Father"?

The invisibleness of God is not that God the Father is really invisible, but it is that he is rarely seen by men on earth.

What? Invisible means invisible. On what basis do you claim it means anything else?

That is the problem you have with Jesus being God the Father.

What? The problem that I have with Jesus being God the Father is that that's an insane idea that is clearly incorrect.

God the Son has been seen my thousands during his earthly ministry, so if you think God is invisible then Jesus to you is not God.

What on earth are you even talking about here, Peter? Did you not read the cited verse from Colossians? Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Not Jesus is the invisible God.

But to us, Jesus is not God the Father, but is God the Son, distinct from God the Father.

Okay...I'm not sure what you think this is answering. I did not say that you believe that Jesus is God the Father (though early copies of the BOM said that, as we've discussed in other threads long, long ago that have nothing to do with this thread).

Our logic makes sense of all of the scriptures, not just a few that serve your belief about God.

What logic? What are you talking about? I'm not really seeing any logic at work here, Peter. A lot of your reply seems like a non-sequitur.

BigDaddy4 · Jan 15, 2019

Peter1000 said:
The invisibleness of God is not that God the Father is really invisible, but it is that he is rarely seen by men on earth.

Just like "Through him (Jesus) all things were made (John 1:3)" doesn't really mean "all" things?

Peter1000 · Feb 25, 2019

BigDaddy4 said:
Just like "Through him (Jesus) all things were made (John 1:3)" doesn't really mean "all" things?

How do you explain the sightings of God throughout the OT and NT, if he is truely invisable?

Presbyterian Continuist · Feb 25, 2019

Peter1000 said:
I know you would have a problem analyzing this scripture and so you did not.

So I will ask a couple of questions: Jesus says he is ascending to his God. Who is Jesus's God?

Jesus says he is ascending to his Father and our Father. Is Jesus's Father the same as our Father as Jesus says?

The man called Jesus "good master" and Jesus rebuked him for calling Jesus good. Then Jesus told the man that there was only 1 Person that was good, and that was his God. I do not know why Jesus said that, but he was surely pointing us to another Person, God, and was not referring to himself. It was a teaching lesson that there is 2 Persons in the Trinity, separate and distinct.

If Jesus is not God, He could never be our substitute for sin. If He could not be our substitute for sin, then we are still in our sins and lost. Pure and simple.

YeshuaFan · Mar 1, 2019

Peter1000 said:
How do you explain the sightings of God throughout the OT and NT, if he is truely invisable?

he appeared at times as Angel of the Lord, and others times he veiled His glory, as none could see Him full on and live!

Peter1000 · Mar 3, 2019

YeshuaFan said:
he appeared at times as Angel of the Lord, and others times he veiled His glory, as none could see Him full on and live!

IOW he is not really invisible, but he chooses to reveal himself rarely, and not fully? Would that be true?

Peter1000 · Mar 3, 2019

Oscarr said:
If Jesus is not God, He could never be our substitute for sin. If He could not be our substitute for sin, then we are still in our sins and lost. Pure and simple.

According to John 20:17 Jesus has a God in heaven. If Jesus is God, who is this other God in heaven?

Peter1000 · Mar 3, 2019

Oscarr said:
If Jesus is not God, He could never be our substitute for sin. If He could not be our substitute for sin, then we are still in our sins and lost. Pure and simple.

Jesus is the Son of God, but not God the Father. God the Father gave Jesus his power and authority to be a substitute for sin. Jesus took this power and authority and completed his mission on earth and therefore completed the atonement and became our substitute for sin, giving us a chance to live with him and God the Father in Eternal Life forever.

Peter1000 · Mar 3, 2019

BigDaddy4 said:
Just like "Through him (Jesus) all things were made (John 1:3)" doesn't really mean "all" things?

There are many times that the word "all" is used incorrectly in the bible. The word "invisable" is used incorrectly sometimes in the bible.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
According to John 20:17 Jesus has a God in heaven. If Jesus is God, who is this other God in heaven?

If you don't believe in the Trinity, you are still in your sins and lost.

mmksparbud · Mar 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
According to John 20:17 Jesus has a God in heaven. If Jesus is God, who is this other God in heaven?

Jesus is God--God is God--the Holy Spirit is God--there is only one God---don't even try to figure it out--no one on this earth can yet!! And JS certainly didn't get it.

Presbyterian Continuist · Mar 3, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Jesus is the Son of God, but not God the Father. God the Father gave Jesus his power and authority to be a substitute for sin. Jesus took this power and authority and completed his mission on earth and therefore completed the atonement and became our substitute for sin, giving us a chance to live with him and God the Father in Eternal Life forever.

You have to believe in the divinity of Jesus in order to be saved. The Bible is quite clear on that. Perhaps the references to it are in the parts of the Bible that you haven't read.

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