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Hardly. We won't go anywhere as long as you won't provide any evidence for your claims.We will go in circles as I am a Protestant.
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Hardly. We won't go anywhere as long as you won't provide any evidence for your claims.We will go in circles as I am a Protestant.
These are not my claims. This is historical accounts. It is not my place to teach you the truth and the deep study that is required to uncover it is up to you.Hardly. We won't go anywhere as long as you won't provide any evidence for your claims.
I hear this claim repeated over and over again from different people that Constantine created Christianity after the council of Nicaea or the Edict of Milan. Joe Rogan makes this claim on his podcast which gets millions of downloads, Gnostics make this claim, etc.
Where does it come from?
Who first made this assertion?
What "proof" do they offer in defence of such a claim?
It's repeated often but I haven't been able to track down a source for such a claim, a claim so easily refuted.
Yours in the Lord,
jm
Not true, but if it were you would be able to point to those 'historical' accounts.These are not my claims. This is historical accounts.
Falsely assumes I have not engaged in deep study of Church history. I have, which is how I recognise your claims as nonsense.It is not my place to teach you the truth and the deep study that is required to uncover it is up to you.
There was no day of rest in the Roman Empire prior to Constantine, so it is misleading to claim that Constantine changed it from the Sabbath to Sunday. Christians had been worshipping early on Sunday morning before going to work, long before Constantine made it a day of rest for the Empire.The only thing that Constantine can take credit for it declaring the "venerable day of the sun"--Sunday-- as the mandated day of rest. Changing it from the 7th day.
There was no day of rest in the Roman Empire prior to Constantine, so it is misleading to claim that Constantine changed it from the Sabbath to Sunday. Christians had been worshipping early on Sunday morning before going to work, long before Constantine made it a day of rest for the Empire.
You keep accusing me of being false and speaking nonsense yet you have not offered anything to substantiate your claims which by the way you have not yet shared. I respectively opt out of any more communication with you as it is now getting mean spirited.Not true, but if it were you would be able to point to those 'historical' accounts.
Falsely assumes I have not engaged in deep study of Church history. I have, which is how I recognise your claims as nonsense.
The first Christians were Jews, so naturally the Sabbath was a day of rest, but the Christians were worshipping every day of the week and not specifically on the Sabbath as you imply. Sunday was understood by the early Christians as the eighth day and took on significance as the day of Christ's resurrection, upon which our salvation rests.For the 1st Christians it was the 7th day Sabbath. It was when the apostles all were worshipping and when all first Christians got together for worship.
They always worshipped primarily on Sunday, despite having to work that day.They slowly started to switch to Sunday to distance themselves from the Jews.
What evidence do you have? Where did Constantine write that this was his purpose?There was no state day of rest until Constantine. He did it to incorporate the pagans and the Christians into one to bring unity to the kingdom.
The first Christians were Jews, so naturally the Sabbath was a day of rest, but the Christians were worshipping every day of the week and not specifically on the Sabbath as you imply. Sunday was understood by the early Christians as the eighth day and took on significance as the day of Christ's resurrection, upon which our salvation rests.
They always worshipped primarily on Sunday, despite having to work that day.
What evidence do you have? Where did Constantine write that this was his purpose?
You are also free to have your own opinionSince this could easily fall into a Sabbath thread and that is not what the thread is about I will just say that ---I obviously disagree with you and that there is no such thing as an 8th day--but you are, of course, free to have your own opinion.
For the 1st Christians it was the 7th day Sabbath. It was when the apostles all were worshipping and when all first Christians got together for worship.
there is no such thing as an 8th day
Not so. Both the N.T. and early Christian writers speak of gathering together on the first day of the week -- the day which the Romans called Sunday.
Of course there is; early Christian authors write about it.
The 8th day is of course Sunday, but viewed as the day after the Sabbath.
The eighth day is a new day, an eternal day not followed by night, which breaks out of the endless cycle of seven days. It was typified by the the Old Testament requirement that all male children be circumcised on the eighth day regardless of whether it happened to be a Sabbath. When Christians are baptised into Christ they participate in His death and resurrection, rising with Him on the eighth day.They can call it what ever they want---God created the world in 6 days and rested the 7th---he finished creating. There is no 8thday of the week. Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week not the 8th day of the week. The "early authors" do not take precedence over the word of God--not to mention they can't override the 7day week all over the world.
They can call it what ever they want---God created the world in 6 days and rested the 7th---he finished creating.
Jesus rose on the 1st day of the week not the 8th day of the week.
I forgot to add, God resting on the seventh day in Genesis was looking forward to when God incarnate would rest in the tomb after His crucifixion on the 6th day.And after resting, He did something new: God the Son became incarnate as Jesus.
And yet, within a short time the seven day week followed by the Christians became the standard throughout the Empire, with the Byzantines changing the names of the days to follow the Judeo-Christian (Lord's Day, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, Preparation and Sabbath).During the Roman Republic and Roman Empire, they had an eight day week, with the eighth day as a market day. Festival days were days of rest and celebration such as January 1, the celebration of Janus, the two faced god of beginnings and endings. Think of something along the lines of U.S federal holidays only a lot more of them. The newly elected officials would also be installed in their offices. So Jews in Rome were an oddity with their adherence to a seven day week.