From New Age, Psychedelic Trance culture, to the Occult, Paganism & Satanism... Where am I now?

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But…. I still have a lot of resistance to having a literal belief in Jesus Christ and the Bible. I can’t reconcile it with my knowledge of science and evolution which seems to explain so much.

You may find the following helpful, '101 Scientific Facts & Foreknowledge', that were made known in the Bible 1,000s of years before science discovered them~~~> www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

I have so many questions about things which don’t make sense in the Bible,

Please ask them, when you get the time, because there are many here that would love to help answer them.
 
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I prayed last night, but I had huge resistance.

I expected it. That's one of the reasons I asked you to share your resistance in this space. You've entered spiritual territory and going backwards is hard. It is easier to enter darkness than to leave.

I was in bed, and knew that I wanted to start to pray, but I physically couldn't. Almost the feeling of sleep paralysis where you want to talk but can't move or say anything. This lasted a few minutes. Then when I finally began I felt like I was constantly criticising what I was saying, like I was being a detached observer not fully present with the words.

I'm trying to remember the name of the spirit. It will come to me. But it isn't a spirit of sleep. That makes you drowsy but your experience is different. The criticism isn't a surprise. That's an accusing spirit. It wants to refute what you're saying and plant seeds of doubt in their place.

Then I had a dream about this strange cat sitting on my left shoulder, it was asleep but something kept disturbing it and every time that happened it would turn around and try to attack me and bite me on the neck. It was the sort of dream that feels real, I knew I was in my bed, the exact same place in the dream and felt like I was awake when it was happening. The cat looked like a stray cat I adopted years ago who was a bit strange, had two different coloured eyes and an almost human-like face and sitting position.

I don't have the interpretation for the dream. But I think the connection you've made is significant. 'This' is something you picked up long ago and it's been with you a while and has probably influenced the things you've done to some degree.

I also had thoughts that all of you here are crazy people for believing in demons and none of that is real. That I'm going to drive myself insane for believing in it and end up isolating myself from all my friends and family and go into a mental institution.

I wrote about my personal experiences on this issue. I didn't say much in this thread because yours may differ and that isn't the sort of thing you want to lay in someone's lap. The things you invoked in Satanism are demons. How did you refer to them? The same is true for Paganism. When I went through my battle a friend mentioned something she couldn't have known. It was about a deity (demon) and she spoke of what I'd said ages ago. I was the lone person at home when that was uttered but I knew it wasn't her addressing me.

She believed in spirit guides and I knew that was speaking through her. Only, I didn't understand at the time it wasn't a benevolent spirit. It was actually a demon advising her. The Holy Spirit helped me reconcile my beliefs through my experience and to realize it wasn't harmless. I prayed for her once and she became angry. Not because I prayed but what I prayed for. I was told to pray for healing for her ankle. She'd had surgery. I assumed it was okay but I was wrong.

If you had an injury that wouldn't heal you'd probably appreciate prayers on your behalf. But she was incensed that I didn't ask for money. She said she needed it more. That was only a smokescreen. I didn't know it never healed. Only the Holy Spirit could have told me that. And she realized we were talking to two different things. He was in the picture too.

Every other person I know who came to Christ describes such beautiful experiences of it, but why is mine so distressing and torturous?? The whole day I've been having horrible thoughts about myself and how I should just kill myself. I won't do it though because I'm afraid of going to Hell.

This is why I recommended the book. Your experience is difficult for many reasons. I'm hesitant to go into it because I fear you'll throw your hands up and give in. And that's what they want you to do.

Go here. You should be able to get 2 months free. They have the book. Read it first. You will understand why I'm saying it. Then we can address your experiences in a clearer light.
 
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Night terrors are mentioned in Psalm 91.

Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
 
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I expected it. That's one of the reasons I asked you to share your resistance in this space. You've entered spiritual territory and going backwards is hard. It is easier to enter darkness than to leave.



I'm trying to remember the name of the spirit. It will come to me. But it isn't a spirit of sleep. That makes you drowsy but your experience is different. The criticism isn't a surprise. That's an accusing spirit. It wants to refute what you're saying and plant seeds of doubt in their place.



I don't have the interpretation for the dream. But I think the connection you've made is significant. 'This' is something you picked up long ago and it's been with you a while and has probably influenced the things you've done to some degree.



I wrote about my personal experiences on this issue. I didn't say much in this thread because yours may differ and that isn't the sort of thing you want to lay in someone's lap. The things you invoked in Satanism are demons. How did you refer to them? The same is true for Paganism. When I went through my battle a friend mentioned something she couldn't have known. It was about a deity (demon) and she spoke of what I'd said ages ago. I was the lone person at home when that was uttered but I knew it wasn't her addressing me.

She believed in spirit guides and I knew that was speaking through her. Only, I didn't understand at the time it wasn't a benevolent spirit. It was actually a demon advising her. The Holy Spirit helped me reconcile my beliefs through my experience and to realize it wasn't harmless. I prayed for her once and she became angry. Not because I prayed but what I prayed for. I was told to pray for healing for her ankle. She'd had surgery. I assumed it was okay but I was wrong.

If you had an injury that wouldn't heal you'd probably appreciate prayers on your behalf. But she was incensed that I didn't ask for money. She said she needed it more. That was only a smokescreen. I didn't know it never healed. Only the Holy Spirit could have told me that. And she realized we were talking to two different things. He was in the picture too.



This is why I recommended the book. Your experience is difficult for many reasons. I'm hesitant to go into it because I fear you'll throw your hands up and give in. And that's what they want you to do.

Go here. You should be able to get 2 months free. They have the book. Read it first. You will understand why I'm saying it. Then we can address your experiences in a clearer light.

I am trying to figure out how to send you a private message but can't seem to see any option to do so.

I started listening to the audiobook last night on YouTube but I think it was disturbing my boyfriend who was asleep, so I turned it off. I will finish it soon and let you know.
 
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You are in the middle of some serious spiritual warfare because you are trying to break free but the enemy will not give up without a fight and I urge you to seek actual physical prayer from an anointed pastor in a situation like this.

You said you have prayed to Jesus but have you prayed the correct sinner's prayer? What you have to do is pray directly to Jesus Christ, asking his forgiveness for selling your soul (in particular) and other sins - out loud by the way. You also must ask the Holy Spirit to come and dwell within you and lead you out of darkness and into the Light. The Holy Spirit is our Guide and Light. He leads us into all truth so not only must you pray to Jesus for forgiveness but you also ask for the Holy Spirit to dwell within you.

Once you have done this genuinely and truly then you will have the authority to stand against the demonic in Jesus name in prayer. But this is a serious spiritual situation you are in and I feel that you need an experienced counsellor to help you and you need some prayers of protection over you. However, if things get really bad then just call out loud on the name of Jesus.

You can do this yourself, but sometimes, when we are in a battle like this we need physical prayer by anointed Christians to help us come against the power of the enemy.

I am a bit hesitant to go into this further as you need more than just advice at this stage. However it may help you to look up something called the Steps to Freedom in Christ ministry by Neil T Anderson. This is a deliverance/discipleship ministry that helps you to systematically renounce all satanic involvement to then free yourself of this and dedicate your life to Christ instead. You can find stuff online about this.

I would also suggest reading some of the psalms which are very powerful declarations of God's power and victory over evil. As well as the book of Colossians 1 where it says:

'For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves........The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together...........Once you were alienated from God and were enemies because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body, through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel.'

James 4:7
Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

You have a lot of work and learning to do but God will help you.
 
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I think the fact that you are in a relationship so are not free to even read an audiobook is not going to help. Especially if he is also a Satanist. You need your freedom in more ways than one.

No, my boyfriend is Romanian Orthodox....

It was also 3am. I was doing work (I'm a freelancer) and listening but it was disturbing his sleep. I didn't want to listen to things about demonic attack while he was asleep.... my boyfriend is a big part of the reason I'm here tbh.
 
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Sorry I got the wrong end of the stick. The thing is though that he may be religious but not actually saved himself. However I don't want to bring that into it at this stage.

I also had thoughts that all of you here are crazy people for believing in demons and none of that is real. That I'm going to drive myself insane for believing in it and end up isolating myself from all my friends and family and go into a mental institution.

This is classic fear tactics employed by the enemy. Don't believe these lies. You have instead to replace these lies for Jesus' Light and Truth which you can only get from knowing his Word and promises to you.

Every other person I know who came to Christ describes such beautiful experiences of it, but why is mine so distressing and torturous?? The whole day I've been having horrible thoughts about myself and how I should just kill myself. I won't do it though because I'm afraid of going to Hell.

It is not just you. Some people have had to endure horrendous spiritual battles to break free from Satan because he does not want to lose you to Christ. Have you ever met a Christian who has actually had to fight a real spiritual battle? The UK is full of religious 'Christians' who go to Church on Sundays but have never had to fight anything more than a cup of tea in a pew.

That is not the type of Christianity that I can identify with and there are many more like me out there, but the Church itself denies the Truth about Christ.

And no, I'm not talking about every church, of course not. There are some genuine churches with real believers out there. But do not compare your experience to someone else's because it will make you ill thinking about it. God is bringing you through this for a unique reason and only by experience and revelation will you be able to work that out.

You have to try to keep focused on Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. Truly coming to Christ is not easy because what you experience is actually spiritual death and resurrection. We are crucified to our old natures and raised again in Christ:

Romans 6:
'Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, a that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus.


Does the above sound like some flowery conversion experience?

This is real heavy spiritual stuff and if anybody tells you otherwise then they don't know what they are talking about and have probably never experienced the transformative work of Christ in their own lives.

I had a good Christian friend once who used to say that she didn't understand why all these women in the church didn't have a hair out of place, because when she fought battles her hair always ended up a mess.

There are some of us out there.
 
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You are in the middle of some serious spiritual warfare because you are trying to break free but the enemy will not give up without a fight and I urge you to seek actual physical prayer from an anointed pastor in a situation like this.

Yes he is and I've lived through the same. I have given him specific steps because I understand what he's experiencing and where it leads. And the probability of things intensifying is great. He will be under a lot of strain and that is why I'm being cautious. He may experience things he doesn't understand and my advice has a purpose. And if he still believes other religions are valid that's another issue that has to be addressed.

Once you have done this genuinely and truly then you will have the authority to stand against the demonic in Jesus name in prayer. But this is a serious spiritual situation you are in and I feel that you need an experienced counsellor to help you and you need some prayers of protection over you. However, if things get really bad then just call out loud on the name of Jesus.

It is serious. We don't know how serious it is as of yet. It took a year of battle for me to win my freedom. I have seen and experienced things no soul should ever know. Christian or otherwise. The best thing we can provide for him is prayer, listening, and emotional support. It's impossible to know how things will unfold. The Lord permitted my battle but may spare him from enduring the same. I don't want to assume.

You can do this yourself, but sometimes, when we are in a battle like this we need physical prayer by anointed Christians to help us come against the power of the enemy.

I agree. But I would also add my name to prayer lists and I am going to mention that soon.

I am a bit hesitant to go into this further as you need more than just advice at this stage. However it may help you to look up something called the Steps to Freedom in Christ ministry by Neil T Anderson. This is a deliverance/discipleship ministry that helps you to systematically renounce all satanic involvement to then free yourself of this and dedicate your life to Christ instead. You can find stuff online about this.

I'm familiar with his ministry. He may need to work with someone for this. I fought but it made the situation profoundly worse when I did. I had physical things taking place in addition to the mental and psychological torment. I don't have enough information about his Christian background to determine his belief and experiences. That plays a part.

I would also suggest reading some of the psalms which are very powerful declarations of God's power and victory over evil. As well as the book of Colossians 1 where it says.

I found great peace by playing the bible at home. It added something to the atmosphere. I have recounted some of my experiences on the site. This may take more than the things you've suggested and it could be a lengthy battle. And that takes a toll. I won't pretend. But he made the right decision by coming here. That's an important step. God always has a ram in the bush. Or several. :)
 
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I am not understanding your responses to me La Bella.

I am writing to help the author of the post.

You appear to be rather patronising in your responses to my posts to the author.

If you think you are the best authority on the matter then good for you.

But please do not try to demean and warp what I have said to make yourself look good.
 
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I am not understanding your responses to me La Bella.

I think it would have been better to ask what I meant. But nevertheless, I won't address you any further. Your assumptions are wrong.
 
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I have given him specific steps because I understand what he's experiencing and where it leads.

And nobody else does?

I fought but it made the situation profoundly worse when I did.

You have to be careful when saying things like this La Bella. What are you suggesting? That they don't fight the enemy? As Christians, we are called to fight the good fight. Jesus Christ has already won the war but we still have many battles to fight and win.

This may take more than the things you've suggested and it could be a lengthy battle.

Where exactly have I suggested that it's all going to be moonlight and roses?

It's funny because I had a feeling you were going to react negatively to me.
 
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You've made assumptions. Judged my character.

I have reacted to your response to me. You wrote as if I had addressed myself to you, which clearly I haven't. I have respected your responses and not interrupted even though I was quite concerned by some of the things you were saying. However, I respected your right to post without getting involved. Because, ultimately, the author has to make her own mind up and use her discernment as to who she should choose to listen to, if anybody.

I wish you could have afforded me the same respect.

This situation is now causing distraction and hostility and I will not have it taint my advice.
 
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I prayed last night, but I had huge resistance. I was in bed, and knew that I wanted to start to pray, but I physically couldn't. Almost the feeling of sleep paralysis where you want to talk but can't move or say anything. This lasted a few minutes. Then when I finally began I felt like I was constantly criticising what I was saying, like I was being a detached observer not fully present with the words.

Then I had a dream about this strange cat sitting on my left shoulder, it was asleep but something kept disturbing it and every time that happened it would turn around and try to attack me and bite me on the neck. It was the sort of dream that feels real, I knew I was in my bed, the exact same place in the dream and felt like I was awake when it was happening. The cat looked like a stray cat I adopted years ago who was a bit strange, had two different coloured eyes and an almost human-like face and sitting position.

I also had thoughts that all of you here are crazy people for believing in demons and none of that is real. That I'm going to drive myself insane for believing in it and end up isolating myself from all my friends and family and go into a mental institution.

Every other person I know who came to Christ describes such beautiful experiences of it, but why is mine so distressing and torturous?? The whole day I've been having horrible thoughts about myself and how I should just kill myself. I won't do it though because I'm afraid of going to Hell.

I feel like I'm already there though.


I do believe in demons being real and I'm thinking that their presence is probably why you were having so much difficulty praying. If following Christ causes you to lose connections with your current friends and family, then just think about this following passage.

Matthew 19:29
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life.

Even the apostle Paul said that he was a fool for Christ, and the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God.

1 Corinthians 4:10
We are fools for Christ’s sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute.

1 Corinthians 3:18-20
18Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their craftiness,” 20and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”

I'm sorry you feel so tortured and miserable. To be honest sometimes I have suicidal thoughts, but they stem from the fear that at Judgment Day I won't be accepted into heaven. It's a weakness of mine that comes from needing to trust more in Christ. It's a leap of faith I'm still working on. I think once you truly come to Christ and trust in Him then He will give you peace.

Philippians 4:4-9
4Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice. 5Let your reasonablenessd be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; 6do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. 7And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

8Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. 9What you have learnede and received and heard and seen in me—practice these things, and the God of peace will be with you.
 
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Hallo! Hi Into The Wilderness - I actually came across this post when searching online for some information about Psychedelic Trance culture and christianity and google led me here - and the end result is that I registered on this forum so that I can post here....
...well and believe that God lead me here also for a reason as He always does in our lives?

After posting here I will explore the forum to see if there is a place where I can introduce myself.

Into The Wilderness - I know weed and psychedelic scene along with all the drugs and LCD and shrooms and those nasty stuff very well and myself was (is) also a DJ but mostly spinned Tech House in clubs in Johannesburg for some years. My Brother is the big Psychedelic freak and lives in Cape Town where some of the biggest and most popular outdoor events are held by brands such as Alien Safari and Earthdance of which I attended some in my life.

I understand the battle with the past and friends and things you feel that defines one as a person and character and know that fear of loosing that could be the biggest reason for not wanting to enter the world of Godly christian living! (-: I smoked weed for 25 years and it was one of the last things I had to leave behind - but thankfully it is by God's power that we can do things and overcome challenges, because if it depended on ourselves we would remain lost - 100% God's power and Grace and 0% ours.

Into The Wilderness - I hope you still read here and just to let you know that I ask God to guide you and bring you to the truth you seek - which I believe is Jesus Christ!

One thing I would like to say as possible advice is this - God is able to guide you and lead you to truth and wisdom and He can and will make your path straight - Focus on Him and His word and much prayer and reading of scripture. Even though you might not have all the answers and always understand everything you read - remember that He will grant you the truth if you seek it. When in doubt or when you long for God and He's wisdom and truth just seek a quiet place and go onto your knees and pray and immerse yourself into the words of the Bible.

All of the best and may you be blessed and be a shining light unto everybody around you. This Christian life is truly beautiful and pure and worth living! I believe that God will guide you and keep you and pray that He will show you the way and truth in Jesus Christ everyday of your life!
 
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But…. I still have a lot of resistance to having a literal belief in Jesus Christ and the Bible. I can’t reconcile it with my knowledge of science and evolution which seems to explain so much. I have so many questions about things which don’t make sense in the Bible, and things like knowing which denomination of Christianity is the true one. I am at the moment drawn to Celtic Christianity, because I feel that is part of my heritage. So maybe I should start there.

You're quite missing what Christianity is. It is not merely a belief in Jesus and the Bible, but a relationship with God Himself. A Christian isn't just a person who adheres to a set of religious propositions, but who interacts with God every day. It is important to know about God - but only so that you can come to know Him personally.

If you have intellectual questions about the faith, here are some very excellent websites I would recommend you investigate for answers:

www.crossexamined.org
www.reasonablefaith.org
www.coldcasechristianity.com
www.rzim.org

But it will mean throwing away so much of my life… I still have pagan friends that are very close to me, and I still have books about other religions. I am an artist and I draw art which often deals with dark, ungodly themes…. And I’m trying to make a career out of it because I have nothing else to fall back on. I come from a poor working class family, so I am scared that if I don’t make something from my talent, I will die poor. But if I keep drawing dark things, will God punish me?

Well, you see, God wants us to be motivated by love for Him in how we live, not fear. He doesn't want you to give up the darkness because you are afraid of Him but because you love Him so much you don't want anything to interfere with your relationship with Him which the dark things you've described most definitely do. You see, when you love God, the sacrifices you must make in order to walk with Him aren't difficult or painful but natural and even joyful. You'll love to make them because you love God. Trying to walk with God by fear is the quick route away from Him, not toward Him.

1 John 4:16-19
16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.


God takes care of His children. He will never be anyone's debtor. Those things you must give up for Him, He will compensate you for in other ways. Trust Him. Yield yourself to Him. Learn to love Him.
 
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Hello everyone.


I hope that some of you can bear with me and take the time to read this, as I try to get all the details straight and include everything relevant.


I’m struggling to come to Christ fully. And I am wondering if anyone here can offer insight, or if anyone has had similar experiences to me.


My life has been a strange journey that I am trying to make sense of. Right now I am at a place of finding myself drawn to Christianity, but still having a lot of resistance, for multiple reasons which I’ll go into. But mostly just that I don’t know if I can ever fully believe in Jesus or the Bible, even though part of me wants to, and I’ve always believed that God is there.

Warning - some of this might be a bit intense to read.

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So let’s try to summarise how I got here.


I was born into a Presbyterian family in Northern Ireland. If you know anything about my country, you will know about its history of religious and political conflict.

My mother was atheist/non-religious but my grandparents took me to church in my early years. When I was 7, I decided I didn’t want to go anymore. My reasoning was because I disliked Sunday School – it just felt like another day of school, and I didn’t much care for being taught to memorise answers in the catechism word for word, to get a reward of a gold star…


I guess even at that age I knew there was not much spiritual about that.


I also have a vivid memory of, around the same age or maybe even younger, being alone in the bathroom of my grandparent’s house.


I was angry at God and cursing him, telling him I hated him. I don’t remember what made me so angry.


I had a somewhat conflictual childhood… I witnessed and was subjected to sectarian violence, and heard my grandparents arguing a LOT.

I never knew my father and felt unwanted a lot of the time. Lots of other little things added up and led to me suffering from depression, anxiety and self-harm as I got older.



I grew up seeing this conflict and violence in my household and country, and decided both religion and politics were useless, so had no interest in either. But, my mother had a few books on the occult, and tarot cards. She never seemed massively into them and didn’t practise anything as far as I know.. but as I became a teenager I thought they looked cool and kept them in my room, even if I didn’t really read them properly..


My mum was always into alternative music, so that became my thing and in my teens I built my identity around being part of various subcultures… skater, goth, hippie, punk – I transfomed myself between them all, shifting between identities like a chameoleon… never sticking with one. I still struggle with maintaining a stable social identity to this day. I’ll get interested in one, obsess over it, then lose interest.

I don’t want that to happen if I come to Christ….




So...

I started to smoke Cannabis every single day from the age of 14. I started to experiment with more drugs and psychedelics and started to read online about spirituality and different theories about the nature of existence.


I was interested in a lot of things but never really knew what was true. I called myself an agnostic because I thought there must be some kind of supernatural explanation for the experiences some people were having, and saw flaws in hard-line materialism and atheism. I started searching for those spiritual experiences myself, using psychedelics to try and achieve them, although really I was using them in a hedonistic, careless way.


The subculture I later became part of was the Psytrance music scene. I learned to DJ and played music at festivals to lots of drugged up hippies, believing I was sharing with them a part of myself and my soul by choosing songs which had given me a spiritual experience. I formed my new identity around this, creating an alternative pseudonym for myself as all the other DJs did.

But my depression and anxiety never went away. I went through a long string of chaotic intimate and sexual relationships, most of which ended terribly. I was emotionally destroyed, and I kept trying to fix it with more drugs. Eventually, this all led to me having an extremely bad trip on acid, where I had a full-blown panic attack and couldn’t sleep for over 24 hours. I know that during this trip I saw the devil, and went to Hell, but I don’t remember what it looked like. I just know that it happened. Maybe I blocked it from my memory.




You would think an experience like this would cause me to want to stop... But I kept trying to smoke weed even though it made me feel like I was going back into that mental state.

About 9 months later, I was at a festival, on the dance floor at 7am, with all these people dancing around me. They had been awake all night dancing, and looked so happy. I remember watching them and thinking it was so beautiful and how spiritual it felt knowing the DJ had, like me, chosen every track especially to impart some kind of beautiful experience on to everyone else there, chosen from his own heart. His DJ name was ‘Alien Angel’.

Then, I took a smoke of a pipe and everything changed. I looked on the ground and saw a flyer for another festival, with a DJ inside a pyramid. A thought popped into my head which said “that looks evil”, and I went on a path of thinking that maybe everything around me that I thought seemed so beautiful was actually evil, and a trick dressed up by Satan as being spiritual, but which was actually demonic. I had this overwhelming sense that he was trying to lift our souls up onto a pedestal, a place where he would more easily be able to catch them.

I didn’t know where these thoughts were coming from. I had never really had much thoughts about Satan and never really read much about him. So I basically just decided that I had given myself a semi-psychotic episode from the bad acid trip, and the weed was triggering it again. The whole time I was having these thoughts about Satan, I also had this ability to observe them and think “these are not normal thoughts to be having. I must be losing my mind”. But.. now I think, if I was really losing my mind, wouldn’t I have just believed the thoughts at the time without questioning them?




After that, the thoughts about Satan stayed with me for a months. I started watching videos online about how the New Age movement was demonic, and saw so many things within the psytrance/hippie scene which seemed to be linked to that. I started to fear that maybe the whole thing was evil and that trance music was just a way to hypnotise people to steal their souls.

Eventually… the thoughts went away a little. But.. I ended up getting involved in the occult. I stopped doing drugs – but I still had a yearning for spiritual experience. I started to believe that maybe all consciousness was one, and the experience of that was what God is.

I joined a Thelemic occult order and believed that their initiation program was one of spiritual and personal development, a system to garner full control over the self (even though as I later found out, many of the people who are drawn to these groups are most certainly not in full control of themselves).

I believed their community was where I belonged, so now this was my identity - a Thelemite/Pagan/occultist. I became obsessed, I started reading as much as I could, bought so many books, magical tools etc… tried various practices - everything from Shamanism, Wicca, Qabbalah, to chaos magick…. and then finally ended up at Satanism and the left-hand path. I still had my fears about Satan, but I believed that if I could let all of that go and embrace Satanism I would be cured from my ‘psychosis’, which I told myself came from my religious upbringing and indoctrination (even though I was never really indoctrinated and freely chose to stop attending church at age 7!!).

I joined a Satanic sect online. Began their process of initiation. I didn’t believe Satan was real, that he was only an archetype, he only stood for illumination, individualism, anti-nomianism and self-deification. Yet I still prayed to Cernunnos who I believed was the Celtic equivalent, a harmless deer headed god, my adopted “father”, whose symbols I saw synchronised everywhere and believed he was guiding, leading and protecting me.


Everything I read by left-hand path authors seemed to resonate with me more strongly than anything ever had read before. I realised – I thought – that I had been a Satanist all my life. That little girl who told God she hated him was enacting a purely Satanic act! I remembered that I had written a fictional story all about Satan when I was only 10 – of course! I had always been in the Satanic consciousness and just didn’t know it! It all seemed to make so much sense. I was a natural born Luciferian and I needed to accept it, I told myself. I needed to embrace the dark one (an archetype, I told myself) so that I could be free, finally.



So now, that was my new identity – a left-hand path occultist/Satanist/Luciferian.

I thought I had finally found out what my identity was. For a while.


My anxiety and depression got worse and worse. I changed my living circumstances and became socially isolated, which I told myself was part of my LHP initiation, as it is supposed to throw negative things at you in order to make you stronger. I was self harming worse than I ever had in my life. I became horribly paranoid that my boyfriend was interested in someone else, and said crazy nasty things to him that I later regretted. I would get episodes where I felt like something else took over me and caused me to do things which triggered my anxiety. I eventually had to be put on antidepressant medication for a year, (which has seemingly, now two years later, permanently killed half of the nerve endings in my genitalia).


On and on it went. Until finally… I changed my living situation to something a bit better, and stopped practising the occult. I did the odd ritual, but it gradually dissipated. I still had a little altar, and met with other pagans a few times, trying to keep my belief in it alive. But I think maybe I scared myself too much and didn’t want to do anything further in case it made me feel worse.




Where I’m at now…. I feel lost and confused. I want God.

Philosophically, rationally even, I don’t think this universe is empty and meaningless. I don’t think morality is subjective and relative. I don’t think we are meat machines.

I want to be spiritually connected. The small amount of positive experiences I did have in my practises at least showed me what can be possible.

This past year, I met my new boyfriend online, and he is of the Eastern Orthodox faith. Talking with him has made me think about it more and more. Now I am watching a lot of testimonies on Youtube of people who were into the New Age and similarly to me, found it to be demonic. Is there a pattern here?


But…. I still have a lot of resistance to having a literal belief in Jesus Christ and the Bible. I can’t reconcile it with my knowledge of science and evolution which seems to explain so much. I have so many questions about things which don’t make sense in the Bible, and things like knowing which denomination of Christianity is the true one. I am at the moment drawn to Celtic Christianity, because I feel that is part of my heritage. So maybe I should start there.


I’m scared that I’ve been brainwashed for too long with moral relativism and postmodern ideas about the maleability of reality to actually believe in something objective, and that if it is all true, I will never be saved. That maybe I sold my soul to Satan even though I thought I didn’t really believe in him.



It’s terrifying.



But at the same time, I don’t want to believe just to get rid of my fear, like I did with the occult. I don’t want it to just be another temporary identity that I will get bored of and throw away eventually, ending up even more lost and empty inside.



If I come to Christ, I want to really, truly and fully come to him, not in some superficial way.

But it will mean throwing away so much of my life… I still have pagan friends that are very close to me, and I still have books about other religions. I am an artist and I draw art which often deals with dark, ungodly themes…. And I’m trying to make a career out of it because I have nothing else to fall back on. I come from a poor working class family, so I am scared that if I don’t make something from my talent, I will die poor. But if I keep drawing dark things, will God punish me?




I have prayed, and asked Jesus and God to come into my life, and to help me see the truth…. To help me to believe. I am just waiting, and I will try to be patient. I am just afraid that I have damned myself already, and can never have a true relationship with God, that relationship I have always searched for.

After all of that, I'd just take it one day at a time and ask the Lord to reveal to you new ways to interact with your existing friends, new modes by which to express your aesthetic self, and new insights by which to approach your potential for arriving at faith in Jesus Christ. You don't necessarily need to let go of your friends, ignore your art, find just one specific denomination of Christianity, or be overly concerned about the theory of evolution and postmodernism, but you do need to latch onto the new path that God, in His Trinitarian fullness, would have you follow.

Peace
 
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