Tithing has been done away with

genez said:

That "justification" is not about being saved from the Lake of Fire.

"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—
and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
not by works, so that no one can boast." Eph 2:8-9​

The "justification James spoke of was in being "justified" in claiming yourself to be a child of God before others. By simply claiming to believe in God? Well even demons believe in one God. You? What will make you justified before others with your claim you are a child of God? Your works that will be produced by grace will be our justification.

We do not work with a checklist of works to perform as legalists always do, and wish to impose upon others. Our works will be custom made for us personally by God. All we need to do is to keep walking and growing in grace and the works for us to do will find us finding them. Abraham did not ask the Lord to sacrifice Isaac. The Lord brought that work to Abraham. It was custom fit for Abraham. His works will not be your works. That is why we can tell others what works they should do.

"For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ
Jesus to do good works, which God prepared
in advance for us to do." Eph 2:10​

There is no works checklist for us to follow. Its something God planned specifically (and uniquely) for each one of us in eternity past. That way we learn to mind our own business.

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1. Brother, we are told to keep God's law because of our love for Christ.
Titus 1:
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

1 John 3:
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Revelation 14:
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



2. And as I explained to you before we are only judged by the works we are able to perform.
We are judged by the works we are able to perform. An example of What a mean would be if we looked at James 2 or Matt 25:35-40, each of the things mentioned in these are able to be done by the people being mentioned. Did you see a man hungry and feed him? Then you are justified by your works(not saved, but proven true to God by your works). Does that make sense so far brother?

Each thing we do that is Good is laid up in store for us in heaven(Matt 6:19-20) and we we will judged and given according to our works in the Last day(Revelation 20:9-13). Does that make sense brother? I Apologize if I am not accurately articulating what I mean.

If we see our brother hungry and do not help him, instead of being justified(proven true under God's Law) we show ourselves to be an unrighteous servant(James 2:16) because we lack charity(1 Cor 13:2) . But the Lord will still forgive us if we repent(1 John 1:9-10).


The Lord has given us a Law to follow out of Love for him. I do not follow the Law of Christ for Salvation as that has already been received by faith, I follow the Law of Christ out of Love for the Lord. And by doing so become justified both by my faith and my works. Serving the Lord in both my mind and my body, in both my thought and my deed.

There is a Law set by Christ that we can look at to follow. Do you read the Ten commandments and think them only to be a suggestion? If you acknowledge one Law, any law, from the Law of Christ why then do you deny the rest of God's law?

How can you correct a brother in sin(2 Thess 3:15-16; James 5:19-20 ;2 Timothy 4:2-5;Matt 7:5) if we have no law(since sin is transgression of the law-1 John 3:4)?

Brother the way of thinking you adhere to has far to many holes in it. Without a law to break then there is no transgression, no sin. If there is no sin there is no need for Salvation from sin. If there is no Law then we have no Guide for how to live, if there is no law we cannot discern Good from evil(Romans 12:21; Isaiah 5:20;1 Thess 5:22). If there is no law then we have no commandments to keep(John 14:15; Revelation 14:12).

If there is no law brother what stops you from sinning? If there is no law what is sin?

genez said:

Some people created a list of works.... and think that's all there is.

Doing works does not make one grow spiritually. It simply keeps "busy workers" occupied so they do not have to dwell upon their inner emptiness that only growing in grace and knowledge can fulfill. Its a trick to rob and steal in the name of doing good.

God has prepared for us before we were born what works we are to do. (Eph 2:10)

First he wants us mature in Christ, so when doing those works He will be glorified by the Spirit in us. Just doing mechanical works (law) grieves the Spirit. They person is a phony when he gets that way.

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God created a set of Laws that we are to follow after being saved by faith. We follow them out of love for Christ, not for Salvation.

Keeping God's law is keeping God's law and avoiding sin.

Keeping God's shows our love for God, it simply shows that we choose obey God and not the devil. We grow spiritually by study, loving our neighbor, and loving the Lord God. Grace and knowledge coupled with righteous works is alive and not dead.


Yes, and he has set forth his commandments before we were born as well
Declared all the counsel of God(Acts 20:26-28)
Continued in Doctrine of the Apostles(Acts 2:42)
Hold Fast to the Doctrine(Titus 1:9)
Paul has Planted the word(2 Thess 3:6)
Hold Fast to the word and Traditions we have been taught(2 Thess 2:14-17)
Doctrine of Christ(2 John 9-10)
Observe these things(2 Tim 5:21)
Be mindful of the words spoken by the prophets and the commandments of the Apostles and Christ(2 Peter 3:1-2, 15-18)
Keep the sound words given by Paul(2 Timohty 1:13-14)
Fully known the Doctrine, continue in things learned(2 Tim 3:10, 14-15)
Laws of God (Rom 13:2,9-10)
Stablish according to the Gospel and preaching of Christ(Romans 16:25-27)
Fully preached the Gospel of Christ(Romans 15:19,29)
Acknowledge things spoken as commandments of the Lord(1 Cor 14:37)
Gospel received by Revelation of Christ(Gal 1:6-12)
Christ the same today yesterday and tomorrow, so to is the word of God the same. (Hebrews 13:8-9)
Keep the Commandments given by Christ(John 14:21,23, Matt 28:20)
Holy word of God is of no private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21)


I agree, that is why we are first saved by faith and then only after grace do we have the spiritual knowledge and understanding and will to do the Lords work and keep his law. Yes works without faith is dead, just as faith without works is dead. Both are needed. God bless you brother


Brother it seems you do not wish to reason with me but only wish to state your opinion over and over again without addressing all that I have said(as I have done with your posts). I am sorry but this conversation has become unprofitable and vain, so I will remove myself from it as commanded(2 Tim 2:16, 23).

SwordmanJr said:

Hmm. Where are those items stated in scripture?



There. You have quoted the crux of it all, "...written in their hearts..." Amen. THAT is how it becomes a "way of life" rather than a mechanical, works-based living out of that "law".

It's etched in our hearts (figuratively speaking).

Jr.

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1. Here is a small piece of a study I wrote that will help to answer this question.
The Sabbath day was created for man(Mark 2:27-28) it was a covenant made in the beginning(Genesis 2:2;Hebrews 4:3) and restated in the Moral law on Mount Sinai(Exodus 31:13-18;Hebrews 4:4-5) it was given to the Jews who accepted the Lord God and were chosen by him(that is why he said it was a covenant with the Nation of Israel). The sabbath was given as a perpetual covenant for sanctification and promise to those who kept it holy(Exodus 31:13-14; Hebrews 4:9-11). When the kingdom was taken from the OT Jews and given to us(Matt 21:43; Romans 10:19,20; Acts 28:25-28) who are made Jews after the Circumcision of the heart and spirit(Romans 2:28-29; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 10:8; Colossians 2:11-13; Philippians 3:3) it was given to us(who are the new Jews, the people of God's Israel), being written in the fleshy tables of our hearts(2 Cor 3:2-6; Hebrews 4:9-10).


Christ who is lord of the Sabbath day(Matt 10:1-8; Mark 2:25-28;Luke 6:1-10) told us that the traditions of men added to the Sabbath were done(Luke 14:1-6) the same traditions spoken of by YHWH(Ez 20:13,16,18-21,24), that it was lawful to do the Lord's work on the Sabbath as well as do what we need to do(things that may or may not pertain to Godly work such as getting an animal out of a ditch/pit). Christ is the living word of God( John 1:1,14, Heb 4:12, Matt 10:44, Revelation 2:12,16, Isaiah 66:16, Eph 6:17) and Lord of the Sabbath day, he is the same yesterday today and tomorrow(Hebrews 13:8-9). Beings that he is both the living word of God and Lord of the Sabbath day it stands to reason that he would be the one to tell us the day was changed(or that it was no longer important). But nowhere in the bible do we find him saying this(or any of the Apostles for that matter).Instead we are told the seventh day Sabbath is kept in the New Heavens and the New Earth Isaiah 66:23. That it still remains to us(Hebrews 4:9)


2. What is mechanical about following the Law of God out of our love for him? We are not following his law for salvation(we have already received that by faith) we are following his law because we love him with all that we are, and through our love and obedience to his word we are justified.
Greek 1344 dikaioó
I make righteous, defend the cause of, plead for the righteousness (innocence) of, acquit, justify; hence: I regard as righteous.

free, justify, be righteous.

From dikaios; to render (i.e. Show or regard as) just or innocent -- free, justify(-ier), be righteous.

Justify is: Free, Justify, be righteous. We are justified by our faith, and we are justified by our works. They work together with each other and are both dead apart.
We are saved by Faith alone(Ephesians 2:8-9) but we are justified by faith and works(James 2:14-26). So if we have faith we will keep the commandments of the Lord(Revelation 14:12-13; John 14:15-21).

We are saved by faith alone, but without works our faith is dead(even the devils believe). Just as works without faith is dead. We are justified by both faith and works. But we are saved by faith alone.

We live by faith doing the work of God.
Romans 1:
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Romans 3:
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

James 2:14-26;
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.


1 John 3:17-24
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.

20 For if our heart condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things.

21 Beloved, if our heart condemn us not, then have we confidence toward God.

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.



3. Yes it is etched into our hearts.

SwordmanJr said:

Ok. Let's get some clarification: I was not saying you were standing upon the Mosaic Law (per se). What part of what I said do YOU not understand? I specifically addressed those parts of the Law that are repeated in the NT. Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the NT. Many of the moral Laws are repeated in the NT. Yes. Those are the Laws that are written upon our hearts through what we read in scripture AND that are written by the Finger of Holy Spirit (so to speak).

The problem is your tendency toward the legalistic application of what should be written upon our hearts. It's kind of like what is commonly called "praise and worship." Those terms are not synonymous. Praise is what we can do any where and any time. Worship is SOOO much more than just what some may do ritualistically within the communal meeting place with voices. Worship is a WAY OF LIFE.

Look, most people THINK they can walk into their fancy, special purpose buildings they pathetically call their "church", and turn on the "worship switch" like they would a room light, and then flip it off on their way out, and all the while thinking they're offering up "worship" that is acceptable and pleasing before the Lord. After all, they got their warm fuzzy, right?

If they are not LIVING worship throughout each week, they sure as heck aren't going to walk into a special purpose building and ritualitically offer up ANYTHING that is pleasing before the Lord just because of the right mood music and soothing words that manipulate emotions. Good works are NOT just a matter of those "laws of Christ" of which you speak much. Good works is MUCH more than just the things of "law". Again, it is what the Lord sees when looking upon the heart. People can mechanically do the seemingly obedient things mentioned in what you call the "laws of Christ", and yet their hearts.....

The moral absolutes Christ Jesus and His apostles conveyed cannot be followed and lived ritualistically or mechanically. The REBIRTH is the total "DNA-change" to the very cells of our "spiritual man" to where the Spirit lives His life through us. Your mechanical-legalistic-ritualistic-sounding approach to the Christian life is.....well.....lifeless. That is to say, the way you present it.



Is that bound up in the New Apostolic Reformation movement?



The Lord I read about in the scriptures doesn't seem to align with the image of a lord you present.



You seem to think quite highly of yourself in this regard. Before, you mentioned "discussion". Now you're addressing yourself as an answer to prayer. The problem is that when you present that which appears contrary to what is written, I am left with nothing more than to questions your motives and foundation.



No. I cannot and do not accept what YOU think is "truth" since it excludes quite a bit of the holistic teaching within scripture on various subjects. So, there's a difference.

When a man shares truth with another man, and the Spirit of the Lord confirms it in both, then there is likely conveyance taking place. No offense, but your approach is more along the lines of proselytizing since the Spirit of the Lord is not confirming within me what you're saying. Again, see 1 John 2:27 as proof for the acid test I place upon what I hear from others. What you are saying lacks that ring of absolute truth to it.

The Lord is FAR more faithful than you give Him credit. He will not leave anyone to flounder around when they are earnestly seeking His thoughts and His ways, no matter how much higher they are than ours. I still want them. I covet them. I want them to so fill me that His Light is unmistakable within me. He has searched me and has seen that desire, and has answered, but not through you, in accordance with 1 John 2:27.

Jr.

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Again brother, you miss the whole point of what I have said this whole time. You state we are to Whorship and do it out of faith. That is exactly what I have said this whole time. We follow God's laws by our faith and love for him, we do it with all that we have and are because we love God. It is not mechanical it is done out of faith(James 2) faith without works is dead, and works without faith is dead one must be coupled with the other to be alive. If you keep the Law of Christ without faith then your works are dead being alone.

I present it by saying we are to have faith first then afterward we are to have both faith and works. What part of this do you not agree with?

The Church goes back to the Apostles, but the branch that I go to was set up by God about 70 years ago when the Lord ordained bishop Jack Harris as his minister.

Brother the Lord I speak of is the Lord from scriptures. I have done nothing but show this directly from the bible.

Brother, you said you asked a question. I said if you were then led to me by the Lord then it is the Lord's will. And through me the Lord has answered the question(why else does the Lord have ministers)
Eph 4:
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

If I answered the question you asked then that is what it is, an answer. I came here to discuss brother, you said that you asked the Lord a question "and to date He has not substantiated to me the things you folks believe. So, what in all creation can you possibly add that would be of any greater weight than what the Lord Himself provides?"
If the Lord sends a messenger and shows you directly from scripture adding nothing(as I have done) then where are the unsubstantiated claims? If the Lord sends a messenger did he not answer the question brother. Again though I do not think highly of myself I simply speak with all boldness as we are commanded to do.

Show me where I added anything or excluded anything, all that i have said is in agreement with scripture leaving out nothing.

Brother I have preached the truth of the word by the Spirit of the Lord. The Word I bring is proven true by scripture alone and is in disagreement with none of it. If you disagree then that is your choice brother.

The Lord is more faithful than any man. Where have I said different?

I agree he will always answer the questions in those who ask it with faith, but remember that he also sent out teachers, preachers, Pastors, etc to preach and instruct others in the truth of God's word. This in accordance with (Romans 10:14; Ephesians 4:11-16) I am sorry if you deny this truth.

May the Lord guide you to the truth of his word brother

genez said:

It would be nice to see you submit to the kind of daily teaching the Apostles actually gave (and showed pastors to do likewise.) Very few today can.

You would be amazed to find out that being taught with integrity and intelligence can be much more fulfilling than trying to find some work to do in attempt to fill up your inner spiritual deficiency.

As a man thinks in his heart, so is he. Its the reserve of vast doctrinal teachings we learn to think with that makes what works we do so good. Its not though, doing works that makes us think better. Its the cart before the horse that you attempt. It keeps the believer dumb and obedient... Just what the Devil wants to see..

We need to think with the Word like learning a language we learn to think with and become effortless over time ... not simply picking a few choice passages that are used as ones rally cry.... And, become amazed at the transformation you will see in yourself years later being able to understand what you once saw as impossible to comprehend.

You're being robbed.

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I have, I lived my whole life with a minister of the Lord a pastor of God. And my whole life was I instructed and raised up in his word built up on the sure foundation of Christ and the Apostles.

Yes I agree brother, but you miss the whole point of everything that I have said.

You rob yourself brother, may the lord bless you with the truth of his word.

SwordmanJr said:

Ok. Let's get some clarification: I was not saying you were standing upon the Mosaic Law (per se). What part of what I said do YOU not understand? I specifically addressed those parts of the Law that are repeated in the NT. Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the NT. Many of the moral Laws are repeated in the NT. Yes. Those are the Laws that are written upon our hearts through what we read in scripture AND that are written by the Finger of Holy Spirit (so to speak).

Jr.

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Ten of the ten are repeated. Here is the Sabbath day.

5. The Moral Law is the only one that was not passed away.



Moral law written in our hearts.

1 Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you?

2 Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:


Not with ink(not by mosaic law) but by the Spirit(law of the Spirit). No longer on stone(moral law) but written in our hearts(Moral law)

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.


4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;


Not of the letter of the law(mosaic law which killeth) but of the spirit(law of the Spirit)

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.


While under the mosaic law the moral law also became a ministration of Death(being coupled with law written in ink) for the Moral law is easy but the Mosaic law is bondage. The Glory contained within these tablets was Glorious to behold but they who were to be under the law could not behold this law's Glory because of the veil of Moses. Which veil has been taken away and the Glory behind the veil revealed.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.


The Glory that was done away(Glory seen through the veil of the Mosaic law) was Glorious. But the Veil being taken away that which remains(moral law which was hidden behind the veil of the Mosaic law) is much more Glorious.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.


This is after the promise he would write his law within us, inside our hearts.

Jeremiah 31:33-34

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.


Hebrews 10:16

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;


The Ten commandments were placed inside the ark of the Covenant written in stone by the finger of God Twice (Deuteronomy 10:2-5;Exodus 25:16; Exodus 31:16-18; Exodus 34:1) showing that they would stand for eternity. The Book of the Covenant(Exodus 34:27; Exodus 24:7; 2 Kings 23:21; 2 Kings 23:2) was only for a time, that is why he said there was going to be a new covenant(Jeremiah 31:31-34, Isaiah 28:10,13-19, Ezekiel 36:23-27,29-31). That is why the book of law, written by the hand of Moses(Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14) was not placed inside the ark of the Covenant with the ten commandments that were written in stone by the finger of God Twice, but were instead placed by the side of the ark( Deut 31:26) signifying that the book of law(the book of the covenant) was only for a time.


Each of the ten commandments are shown within the New Testament spoken of either by Christ or the Apostles. The keeping of the Sabbath day is no exception.

4th Commandment(Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it)

In the Old Testament: Exodus 20:8-11,

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Deut 5:12-15


All of the Apostles kept the sabbath day holy and sacred.Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42-44, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:1-3, Acts 18:4


The Apostle Paul has said that the day of rest given by YHWH still remains: Hebrews 4:1-12


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The Eternal Covenant

The promise(Sabbath day) was indeed a perpetual covenant to show that those who kept it were sanctified by the Lord.

Exodus 31:13-18

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

17 It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.

18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.


The Sabbath day was created for man(Mark 2:27-28) it was a covenant made in the beginning(Genesis 2:2;Hebrews 4:3) and restated in the Moral law on Mount Sinai(Exodus 31:13-18;Hebrews 4:4-5) it was given to the Jews who accepted the Lord God and were chosen by him(that is why he said it was a covenant with the Nation of Israel). The sabbath was given as a perpetual covenant for sanctification and promise to those who kept it holy(Exodus 31:13-14; Hebrews 4:9-11). When the kingdom was taken from the OT Jews and given to us(Matt 21:43; Romans 10:19,20; Acts 28:25-28) who are made Jews after the Circumcision of the heart and spirit(Romans 2:28-29; Acts 15:7-9; Romans 10:8; Colossians 2:11-13; Philippians 3:3) it was given to us(who are the new Jews, the people of God's Israel), being written in the fleshy tables of our hearts(2 Cor 3:2-6; Hebrews 4:9-10).


Christ who is lord of the Sabbath day(Matt 10:1-8; Mark 2:25-28;Luke 6:1-10) told us that the traditions of men added to the Sabbath were done(Luke 14:1-6) the same traditions spoken of by YHWH(Ez 20:13,16,18-21,24), that it was lawful to do the Lord's work on the Sabbath as well as do what we need to do(things that may or may not pertain to Godly work such as getting an animal out of a ditch/pit). Christ is the living word of God( John 1:1,14, Heb 4:12, Matt 10:44, Revelation 2:12,16, Isaiah 66:16, Eph 6:17) and Lord of the Sabbath day, he is the same yesterday today and tomorrow(Hebrews 13:8-9). Beings that he is both the living word of God and Lord of the Sabbath day it stands to reason that he would be the one to tell us the day was changed(or that it was no longer important). But nowhere in the bible do we find him saying this(or any of the Apostles for that matter).Instead we are told the seventh day Sabbath is kept in the New Heavens and the New Earth Isaiah 66:23. That it still remains to us(Hebrews 4:9)


Those who keep his Sabbath day(Saturday) are counted worthy of entering his Holy mountain in the last days.

Isaiah 56:1-12

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Hebrews 4:1-11

First Paul tells us to fear if the Promise of rest were to have left us.

1. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.


The Gospel did not profit them who heard but did not have faith.

2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.


We who believed enter into rest as we were commanded to by God when he swore to us by an oath that if we enter into the rest set by him after he had finished the works from the foundation of the world.

3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.


That is why he spoke in a certain place(the Moral law) on this matter, showing that even did rest on this Seventh day sanctifying it as a everlasting sign and covenant between us.

4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.


And we are told again to continue to enter into his rest(keep the sabbath day) to receive his promise.

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.


Seeing this, we know it remains(the sabbath day remains) that some must enter therein(those of faith/belief). But to those to whom it was first given did not keep it because of their unbelief.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:


When the Lord spoke to david he again limited a certain day(to david was again given the seventh day rest).

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.


If Jesus had come to give us another day of rest(another sabbath) then would he not have spoken of another day? Christ never mentioned another other day for sabbath worship, it cannot be found anywhere in the New Testament.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.


Because no other day was given by Christ or YHWH there remains a rest to the people of God. The same Sabbath day rest shown and spoken of since the beginning of the bible, being shown all the way into the new heavens and the New earth.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


Those that enter into God's rest(seventh day sabbath) cease from their own works, after the example of God himself ceasing from his.

10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


We are to labour to enter enter into that same rest(same sabbath day) lest we fall away from God as those others did from unbelief.

11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.






Point 3.

1. Romans 14:5-6
   

5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.


Some people try to use these verses to say that since Paul said, both the man who esteemeth one day above another and the man who esteemeth every day alike, to say that the seventh day has no more significance except to those who believe it remains.


But when we look at these verses in context we see that Paul is speaking of only two things: A. Weaker and stronger brethren B. What foods are clean and how they are made clean.


It is in the light of the surrounding verses that we see what Paul is speaking of in verses 5-6. He is speaking not of the Sabbath day but of people who are weak in the faith and decide in their hearts that the Lord does not want them to eat certain things on certain days. There are many studies on these two verses that can be found online that show that what Paul was speaking of here was not the Sabbath day but instead of those who chose to limit what they could eat on certain days.


While I do not agree with this Church's(Seventh Day Adventists) views on the translation of the Greek word used for unclean in romans 14

2839. Koinos
Translated as Unclean but could also mean: common, defiled, unclean, unholy.


I do agree with most of what they have to say about Romans 14:5-6 and they provide an excellent commentary/Exegis on it here: https://adventistbiblicalresearch.org/sites/default/files/pdf/Onedaybetter.pdf

genez said:

I was speaking with one just the other night. Very nice man. He appeared to be embarrassed when asked if he teaches the Word of God with an ever increasing and expanding knowledge of God's Word to his congregation. Nope. He loves rituals and reading passages to produce a feel-good mood in church.

Being around a minister means NOTHING. Being around one who knows what it means to teach expository is a rare bird to find these days.

In other words.... To find one who does his job correctly is hard to find. The others produce fruit that can't think straight with the Word of God. Only offering a smile and doing good deeds does not impart knowledge. Hippies could even do that!

"But be growing in the grace and knowledge
of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be
glory both now and forever! Amen." 2 Pet 3:18​

Works does not save, unless the saved know how to be saved from evil, by the fruit of being a full time student of God's Word. Able to think and see the evil because the Word of God in rich understanding has removed the veils that the works-crowd are entrapped by.

He has made us rich! Rich the Truth. Paupers accept substitutes and short cuts. And, then boast about it, to make matters worse.

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May the Lord bless you brother