Tithing has been done away with

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 24, 2019

genez said:
So, you are going to keep the Sabbath?

Not make any pictures of animals or man?

The Ten Commandments were dialed in to the time in which they were written. Some of them, of course,are still applicable. It sounds like you have a need to feel you are doing something for God, and must find things to do to make you feel that way. What we really need is a steady diet of sound doctrinal teachings. To develop an ever growing knowledge of God's Word. Many never realize this.

I keep the Sabbath as commanded.
4th Commandment(Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it)
Exodus 20:8-11,Deut 5:12-15

Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42-44, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:1-3, Acts 18:4, Hebrews 4:1-12

The seventh day Sabbath is kept in the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 also kept in beginning. Genesis 2:2

Just as the command in the New Testament States I do. I do not any image to bow down to and worship it.
2nd Commandment(Thou shalt not make thee any graven image)
Exodus 20:4-5,Deut 5:8-10

Acts 15:20, (Acts 17:16-17 29), 1 Cor 5:9-11, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 1 Cor 10:7, 1 Cor 10:14, Thess 1:9, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Peter 4:3-4, 1 John 5:21, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:5, Rev 9:20, Colossians 3:5-6, Rev 21:8, Rev 22:14-15,( Romans 1:21-23 25)

Neither do I make any image that is evil, or put that which is evil before me. That I might abstain even from the Appearance of evil(1 Thess 5:22).

Every single one of the Ten Commandments are shown in the New Testament, each is shown with both Corrections and additions made to them.

God says there is a need to follow his commandments. Do you not feel you need to follow his commands and laws?

What becomes of the Meat and milk you eat if it comes without adherence to the Lord's commands and will? What do they profit you if they come without both faith and works? Faith without works is dead.

Many never realize that we must continue to follow God's commands, that we can't run around sinning and still be saved.

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
I keep the Sabbath as commanded.
4th Commandment(Keep the Sabbath day to sanctify it)
Exodus 20:8-11,Deut 5:12-15

Acts 13:14, Acts 13:42-44, Acts 15:21, Acts 16:13, Acts 17:1-3, Acts 18:4, Hebrews 4:1-12

The seventh day Sabbath is kept in the New Earth Isaiah 66:23 also kept in beginning. Genesis 2:2

Just as the command in the New Testament States I do. I do not any image to bow down to and worship it.
2nd Commandment(Thou shalt not make thee any graven image)
Exodus 20:4-5,Deut 5:8-10

Acts 15:20, (Acts 17:16-17 29), 1 Cor 5:9-11, 1 Cor 6:9-10, 1 Cor 10:7, 1 Cor 10:14, Thess 1:9, 2 Cor 6:16, 1 Peter 4:3-4, 1 John 5:21, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:5, Rev 9:20, Colossians 3:5-6, Rev 21:8, Rev 22:14-15,( Romans 1:21-23 25)

Neither do I make any image that is evil, or put that which is evil before me. That I might abstain even from the Appearance of evil(1 Thess 5:22).

Every single one of the Ten Commandments are shown in the New Testament, each is shown with both Corrections and additions made to them.

God says there is a need to follow his commandments. Do you not feel you need to follow his commands and laws?

What becomes of the Meat and milk you eat if it comes without adherence to the Lord's commands and will? What do they profit you if they come without both faith and works? Faith without works is dead.

Many never realize that we must continue to follow God's commands, that we can't run around sinning and still be saved.

I am not going to try to reason with you.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 25, 2019

genez said:
I am not going to try to reason with you.

I am sorry we could not reason together from the Scriptures as the Lord asks us to do.
Isaiah 1:18
18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Acts 17:2
2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4
4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

I love you brother may the Lord Guide you to the truth of his word.

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
I am sorry we could not reason together from the Scriptures as the Lord asks us to do.
Isaiah 1:18

Could Jesus reason with the religious pharisees? No!

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them." (Titu 3:9-10)

W2L · Jan 25, 2019

God likes a cheerful giver, and its better to give than receive.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 25, 2019

genez said:
Could Jesus reason with the religious pharisees? No!

9 But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless. 10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them." (Titu 3:9-10)

Could Paul reason with the wicked who wanted with all their heart to live wickedly without the Law of Christ? No!
It is easy for you to call me a Pharisee and equate me to them, because you wish to live without the Law of Christ. But you can also see how easy it would be for me to call you wicked and equate you to those who denied the Gospel, Traditions, Law of Christ in the Apostles time. It is not my goal however to insult you, or falsely accuse you. I am only trying to show how easily someone can come into a discussion with false presuppositions. You think me a Pharisee but that is not true, if you take the time to reason with me and hear me out fully then it cannot be accounted to you a folly and a shame(proverbs 18:13; Ecclesiastes 12:13).

Yes a diverse person warn twice, and striving and quarrels about the Law of Moses avoid. We are speaking, not of a dead law, but a living law that we are now under. Is there no profit in discussing the Gospel and traditions of Christ? Is that what the Apostles thought? Is it foolish to reason with each other about the word of God as Christ and the Apostles did?

These are not foolish questions being asked brother. We are not discussing foolishness we are discussing salvation and the Law of Christ. If you do not see any profit in discussing such things then I agree that we should cease speaking with one another.

May God bless and Guide you brother.

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2019

W2L said:
God likes a cheerful giver, and its better to give than receive.

The message was telling those taking the collection that God loves a cheerful giver. The message was not telling the giver that God loves a cheerful giver. That is why there is a warning not to coerce or put a guilt trip on the one giving! It was not telling those who gave that they better be cheerful when they do!

"Each one of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give.
You should not give if it makes you unhappy or if you feel forced to give.
For God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Cor 9:7

Many preach messages that if those giving are not cheerful that they are the ones not pleasing to God. But, that forces believers into religious phonies when giving under some type of compulsion!

Its pulling a fast one on the congregation. It shows that those who are running the church have failed to understand the real reason for the church being here. God wants to transform His people into being a happy people. Cheerful because they have been taught well (sound doctrines) and and are continuing to walk in the filling of the Spirit (grace).

Some churches try to reverse the responsibility on the believers who are giving, when the responsibility to do right is supposed to be on the one taking the collection!

A manipulated people are not a truly happy people. Though many believers put on a happy face to the world, they know inside that something deep is missing.

SwordmanJr · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
I keep the Sabbath as commanded....

What becomes of the Meat and milk you eat if it comes without adherence to the Lord's commands and will? What do they profit you if they come without both faith and works? Faith without works is dead.

Many never realize that we must continue to follow God's commands, that we can't run around sinning and still be saved.

Interestingly, Acts 15 has this to say to us Gentiles:

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Now, if you are a Jew, this may or may not apply to you. We do know that the Jewish believers in Jerusalem were still zealous for the Law as is stated in Acts 21. Most of us are not Jews, and I doubt that you personally are a higher authority than what is stated in the above quoted verses. Therefore, the burden of Law you're trying to lay on all others here through your mish-mash amalgamation of theological-sounding jargon and smattering of verses ripped out of their context, remains ineffective. Col. 2:16 is itself very telling where it is written:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Poisoning the well with the idea that disagreement with you on this matter is somehow akin to all others doing little more than "...run around sinning..." smacks of a level of judgmentalism that is typical of legalists who have bound themselves to the Law and its fulfillment through their own efforts.

Didn't the words of Jesus and Paul teach you anything?

Jr.

GenemZ · Jan 29, 2019

SwordmanJr said:
Interestingly, Acts 15 has this to say to us Gentiles:

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Now, if you are a Jew, this may or may not apply to you. We do know that the Jewish believers in Jerusalem were still zealous for the Law as is stated in Acts 21. Most of us are not Jews, and I doubt that you personally are a higher authority than what is stated in the above quoted verses. Therefore, the burden of Law you're trying to lay on all others here through your mish-mash amalgamation of theological-sounding jargon and smattering of verses ripped out of their context, remains ineffective. Col. 2:16 is itself very telling where it is written:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Poisoning the well with the idea that disagreement with you on this matter is somehow akin to all others doing little more than "...run around sinning..." smacks of a level of judgmentalism that is typical of legalists who have bound themselves to the Law and its fulfillment through their own efforts.

Didn't the words of Jesus and Paul teach you anything?

Jr.

Paul had his Judaizers. We got this one.

Its the same old tactic.

BobRyan · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
The whole law is fulfilled and tithing is fulfilled along with it,

So also "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled in Christ's perfect obedience.

But it is still "a sin" to do it.

"sin IS transgression of the law " 1 John 3:4 even in the NT -

SwordmanJr · Jan 29, 2019

BobRyan said:
So also "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled in Christ's perfect obedience.

But it is still "a sin" to do it.

"sin IS transgression of the law " 1 John 3:4 even in the NT -

Wait a minute! What is this? How did sin somehow become a parallel in anything someone else said in relation to the Law?

YOU are the one who drew that line, not anyone else here that I have seen thus far.

Why do so many people continue to perpetrate the fallacy of poisoning of the well with things that are not comparative nor a parallel?

Please exlplain how being freed (by way of fulfillment by and in Christ Jesus) from lawful requirements of the Law in any way parallels with the commission of moral sins, which transcend the constraints of testaments and covenants.

Jr.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 29, 2019

BobRyan said:
So also "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled in Christ's perfect obedience.

But it is still "a sin" to do it.

"sin IS transgression of the law " 1 John 3:4 even in the NT -

Yes do not take God's name in vain is one of the Ten commandments written on stone and kept by Christ. This Law is shown again in the New Testament under grace showing that it is one of the Commands that we are still to keep(along with the rest of the Moral law.

3rd Commandment(Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain)
Exodus 20:7,Deut 5:11

Matt 5:33-37, James 5:12

Yes sin is transgression of the Law. The law we are now under is the Law of Christ written in our hearts, it is not the mosaic law.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 29, 2019

SwordmanJr said:
Interestingly, Acts 15 has this to say to us Gentiles:

28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Now, if you are a Jew, this may or may not apply to you. We do know that the Jewish believers in Jerusalem were still zealous for the Law as is stated in Acts 21. Most of us are not Jews, and I doubt that you personally are a higher authority than what is stated in the above quoted verses. Therefore, the burden of Law you're trying to lay on all others here through your mish-mash amalgamation of theological-sounding jargon and smattering of verses ripped out of their context, remains ineffective. Col. 2:16 is itself very telling where it is written:

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Poisoning the well with the idea that disagreement with you on this matter is somehow akin to all others doing little more than "...run around sinning..." smacks of a level of judgmentalism that is typical of legalists who have bound themselves to the Law and its fulfillment through their own efforts.

Didn't the words of Jesus and Paul teach you anything?

Jr.

Yes lay no burden on the greater than these things is what it says in Acts. But after they have learned these basic principles we read what other commands are stated in the Law of Christ.

If we are only to abstain from meats offered to idols, blood, and fornication does that mean theft is okay? What about murder is that then okay? If we examine what is being said in the chapter and compare it to the rest of scripture we see that the Apostles did not want to put to great a burden on the newly saved gentiles than they could handle(1 Cor 3:2). Then after they were able to bear it Paul gave them strong meat and the rest of the Gospel and traditions of Christ that they were not able before to bear(Hebrews 5:12-14).

Colosians 2:16 is referring to the Mosaic law and the Ceremonial laws. It is even stated that these were written in the Handwriting of Ordinances(Exodus 34:27; Nehemiah 9:13,14; 2 Chronicles 33:8; Exodus 18:20; Leviticus 18:4; 2 Kings 17:34,35,37,38) that were against us(Colossians 2:14) which is exatly what the the Mosaic law was(Deut 31:26) a witness against them. Now that the Mosaic law is done we can no longer be judged for not keep the Feasts, Feast day sabbaths, and Requirements contained within the Law of Moses(Colossians 2:16).

The Law of Christ is binding to all men since it is the law we will all be judged by on the Day of Judgment(Romans 2:16; and many others just ask if you want them). Disagreement with the word of God is akin to running around sinning(1 John 3:4; Titus 1:16), that is the truth and it is what I have said.

Yes as shown throughout this thread and in this post. I have learned from teachings of Christ and the Apostles, and they have taught me(and countless others) that the Law of Christ is binding to all men regardless of whether or not the choose to accept it. But remember we are only accountable for the knowledge we have received and the works we are able to perform.

God bless you brother

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 29, 2019

genez said:
Paul had his Judaizers. We got this one.

Its the same old tactic.

God bless you brother

GenemZ · Jan 29, 2019

BobRyan said:
So also "Do not take God's name in vain" fulfilled in Christ's perfect obedience.

I learned recently that to take the God's name in vain does not mean blurt out an angry reaction using God's name. Like someone damming something while using God's name.

People from that era had a business practice of swearing a promise in God's name. Pagans swore by their gods as well. Its was a mind set of the world at that time.

God said not to do it. But, make your word good because you have integrity acquired from walking with God. Let your 'yes' be 'yes.' But, never use the God's name gimmick to back up your promises. For many used God's name in vain. Which they discovered that they lacked the integrity that they boasted to themselves about having when swearing in God's name.

God was breaking the Jews away from the ways of the world's way of thinking when He gave that command. Swearing a deal in the name of some god was common practice. God wanted to produce a people of quality and character that was not seen in other peoples. Swearing in God's name was cutting corners to not needing to become a man of your word. Just as God is the God of His Word.

GenemZ · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
God bless you brother

I am telling you the truth. Not cursing you. No need to bless.

If I were cursing you? I would have said nothing.

We all need to recognize what we can not see about ourselves (that others can) if God is ever going to transform our thinking away from what most naturally pleases our flesh. Paul was very much like you in many ways. He had to recognize more and more about what grace produces before he could drop his powerfully strong religious tendencies.

If God could "tame" ferocious Paul by grace? And, God did. Saul who was even murdering others in the name of God? No one who finds himself to be naturally legalistic after he is saved is now with excuse.

Some will grow out of it as they gain knowledge.. while others, in their mind will continue to murder the truth.

Selah. Its the way it is. We all need each other. For we can not see ourselves objectively. The Word of God is the only point for objectivity. We either transform and become objective? Or, continue to object.

StephenDiscipleofYHWH · Jan 29, 2019

genez said:
I am telling you the truth. Not cursing you. No need to bless.

If I were cursing you? I would have said nothing.

We all need to recognize what we can not see about ourselves (that others can) if God is ever going to transform our thinking away from what most naturally pleases our flesh. Paul was very much like you in many ways. He had to recognize more and more about what grace produces before he could drop his powerfully strong religious tendencies.

If God could "tame" ferocious Paul by grace? And, God did. Saul who was even murdering others in the name of God? No one who finds himself to be naturally legalistic after he is saved is now with excuse.

Some will grow out of it as they gain knowledge.. while others, in their mind will continue to murder the truth.

Selah. Its the way it is. We all need each other. For we can not see ourselves objectively. The Word of God is the only point for objectivity. We either transform and become objective? Or, continue to object.

Brother, you said falsely that I was a Judaizer(seeking to bring others under the Mosaic law and it's customs/traditions) when I am actually a Chrstianizer(seeking to bring others under the Law of Christ and it's customs/traditions). That is why I prayed that you be blessed.

Brother it seems you think I preach the Law of Moses, but this is not true. Just as Pual preached the Law of Christ so do I. And between the Law he preached and the Law I preach there is no difference, as it is Christ's Law.

I do not murder the truth in my preaching but preach it's life and the life that comes with the true gospel brother. If you disagree that we are under the Law of Christ provide strong biblical reason as to why as we are commanded to brother
1 Thess 5:21
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 timothy 4:1-2, 5
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Do you believe someone when they provide no proof? If man tells you that what you believe is a lie but shows no evidence, do you believe him?

GenemZ · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Brother, you said falsely that I was a Judaizer(seeking to bring others under the Mosaic law and it's customs/traditions) when I am actually a Chrstianizer(seeking to bring others under the Law of Christ and it's customs/traditions). That is why I prayed that you be blessed.

Brother it seems you think I preach the Law of Moses, but this is not true. Just as Pual preached the Law of Christ so do I. And between the Law he preached and the Law I preach there is no difference, as it is Christ's Law.

You only can see the word "law." There is the law of grace. The law of mercy. The law of growing in knowledge and grace.... Many laws in Christ's law.

BUT.. Not THE law from which you extract and claim. Jesus nailed tithing to the Cross.

You? Are ripping it down and trying to revive it.

Why? Possibly, in your natural man you so happen to crave a religious system to preoccupy yourself with? Its like a noble boy scout collecting merit badges so he can see evidence of accomplishment to feel good about himself. Self approval is the goal of religion. And, judging others who fail to comply, also provides a sense of satisfaction.

Do I need to say more? Others here can see what I am saying as plain as day. Why not you?

Did someone take you aside and showed you things to make you feel more important than the rest? While, our importance in Christ all resides in how much of the Word of God we comprehend and believe in power of the Spirit. The religious? They are always left scratching their heads. :scratch:

GenemZ · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Brother, you said falsely that I was a Judaizer(seeking to bring others under the Mosaic law and it's customs/traditions) when I am actually a Chrstianizer(seeking to bring others under the Law of Christ and it's customs/traditions). That is why I prayed that you be blessed.

Brother it seems you think I preach the Law of Moses, but this is not true. Just as Pual preached the Law of Christ so do I. And between the Law he preached and the Law I preach there is no difference, as it is Christ's Law.

I do not murder the truth in my preaching but preach it's life and the life that comes with the true gospel brother. If you disagree that we are under the Law of Christ provide strong biblical reason as to why as we are commanded to brother
1 Thess 5:21
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
2 timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 timothy 4:1-2, 5
1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

Do you believe someone when they provide no proof? If man tells you that what you believe is a lie but shows no evidence, do you believe him?

You do realize that in the Temptation of Christ that Satan's tactic was to quote Scripture? Not impressed.

Quoting Scripture can be used to create a false image about oneself.

But, knowing and correctly comprehending Scripture on the other hand, transforms a believer into the image of Christ in ever increasing transformation as our knowledge and understanding expands.

You are so far behind...... I can not go back. You need to find a good teacher who will be straight with you. One you will have a love-hate relationship as he expounds what you wish not to see.

Jesus warned. "If we try to save our life? We will lose it."

Meaning? Save our natural view of things. We will lose our life that is to be found in grace and truth.

Religion is an enemy of God's will for our lives.

SwordmanJr · Jan 29, 2019

StephenDiscipleofYHWH said:
Yes lay no burden on the greater than these things is what it says in Acts. But after they have learned these basic principles we read what other commands are stated in the Law of Christ.

If we are only to abstain from meats offered to idols, blood, and fornication does that mean theft is okay? What about murder is that then okay? If we examine what is being said in the chapter and compare it to the rest of scripture we see that the Apostles did not want to put to great a burden on the newly saved gentiles than they could handle(1 Cor 3:2). Then after they were able to bear it Paul gave them strong meat and the rest of the Gospel and traditions of Christ that they were not able before to bear(Hebrews 5:12-14).

Going to the extremes of moral violation and assumed exclusions of the law written on our hearts will not substantiate your claim for incorporating any and every Law of Moses you subjectively choose to include into the framework of Chrst's law for us today. The Sabbath claim simply doesn't work when we read that no man can judge us for the keeping of the Sabbath.

You clearly are more legalistic in your approach to defining the Christian faith and life, and I simply don't buy it. What brand of apastolic to you subscribe, for there are several?

1 John 2:27 is quite clear on matters such as this. The Spirit of the Lord teaches anyone who asks of the Lord who is truly seeking Him for answers, and I have asked the Lord for His wisdom and His thoughts on the matter, and to date He has not substantiated to me the things you folks believe. So, what in all creation can you possibly add that would be of any greater weight than what the Lord Himself provides? The fallacies alone in your argumentation are cause enough to doubt your understanding of doctrinal purity and the voracity of your grounding in what the scriptures actually say in context.

Sorry, but in the scales of biblical balance for proper application of the rules of interpretation coupled with logical continuity, your case is found grossly bankrupt.

Jr.

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