NYT Reveals FBI Retaliated against Trump for Comey Firing

Queller · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Someone might be pregnant because they actually did "the Tango." What's missing is there is no evidence to launch a "possible treason" without some evidence. The NYT article strains real hard and comes up with none other than "It's Trump so it must be true."

All the FBI needs is a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe that an American is committing a federal crime in order to initiate an investigation.

"The New York Times has reported — and Republicans who hold the majority vote on the House Intelligence Committee have concluded — that the investigation began in July 2016 and was prompted by the actions of George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

Mr. Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat in May 2016 that Russia had political “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidate. Australian officials then alerted their American counterparts of the conversation with Mr. Papadopoulos.

The information provided by Mr. Steele did not reach F.B.I. officials who were investigating Mr. Trump’s campaign until mid-September of 2016..."

Trump Again Falsely Claims Russia Investigation Started With Steele Dossier

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Halbhh said:
That group is composed of five former Trump advisers,

Unrelated to Russian collusion.

Halbhh said:
26 Russian nationals

No one knows if these people are even real.

Once again, nothing on Trump or anyone in his administration colluding with Russia or engaging in espionage.

They get them on unrelated offenses which should have been prosecuted (because they knew about it) years ago.

Queller · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Based always on evidence. The Police just can't investigate you because they believe you might have broken the law.

Have you ever heard of reasonable suspicion?

That is what the FBI did in this probe.

Based on reasonable suspicion.

Halbhh · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
No one knows if these people are even real.

Are the Russians indicted real? Have you seen this below yet?

Here's some from Fox News video and articles you should like to see about the Russian operation that planted fake stories and ads meant to sway the election:

Russian troll farm created fake city newspaper Twitter accounts ... to spread real local stories: report

Insiders: Russia troll farm even zanier than indictment says

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Queller said:
All the FBI needs is a credible allegation of wrongdoing or reasonable basis to believe that an American is committing a federal crime in order to initiate an investigation.

And never had one.

Queller said:
"The New York Times has reported — and Republicans who hold the majority vote on the House Intelligence Committee have concluded — that the investigation began in July 2016 and was prompted by the actions of George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

Mr. Papadopoulos told an Australian diplomat in May 2016 that Russia had political “dirt” on Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential candidate. Australian officials then alerted their American counterparts of the conversation with Mr. Papadopoulos.

What this report omits is that an FBI informant on their payroll invited Papa to England to discuss him working on a project. When Papa got there the paid informant planted the idea that Russia had dirt on Hillary. Then Papa never got a call back from the informant on the 'project.' Classic plant to see where the info goes and why Papa will only spend 14 days in jail as this was entrapment. Then Papa goes to Australia where another paid informant hears what the English informant gave Papa. The self licking ice cream cone. LOL what a set up. But no one brushes this off as opposition research as did the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Now your next comment says it all:

Queller said:
The information provided by Mr. Steele did not reach F.B.I. officials who were investigating Mr. Trump’s campaign until mid-September of 2016..."

Two points the Steele dossier does prove Russian collusion. The DNC and HRC campaigns paid a foreign agent, Steele, through Fusion GPS to obtain information from former Russian spies and current Russian government officials---You have your Russian collusion to influence the 2016 elections and a sitting Presidential administration.

Second point. The FISA applications were submitted based on the Trump dossier. Why? Because the intelligence agencies and FBI knew that there was absolutely no evidence to spy on American citizens based on no evidence other than a hunch and innuendo. The Steele dossier provided them with what they thought at the time was 'enough' to go and spy on a Presidential campaign. Welcome to the Banana Republic of the USA.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Queller said:
Have you ever heard of reasonable suspicion?

Suspicion based on what and not even cops can have you open the trunk of your car without probable cause. You are starting to scare me dude.

Were there not a load of articles we opined on in the Summer of 2016 where cops were taking liberties based on suspicion and not probable cause. People were protesting and rioting that summer.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Halbhh said:
Are the Russians indicted real? Have you seen this below yet?

Here's some from Fox News video and articles you should like to see about the Russian operation that planted fake stories and ads meant to sway the election:

Russian troll farm created fake city newspaper Twitter accounts ... to spread real local stories: report

Insiders: Russia troll farm even zanier than indictment says

My point. Mueller indicted a troll farm. How ridiculous is that.

Kenny'sID · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Admitting there is no actual evidence for their probe into whether Trump “worked for the Russians,” FBI officials instead cited their foreign policy differences with him, his lawful firing of bungling FBI Director James Comey, and alarm that he accurately revealed to the American public that he was told he wasn’t under investigation by the FBI, when they preferred to hide that fact.

The FBI would get along quite well with some of the folks here. Actually, I'm not sure they don't post on CF already.

His student · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Once again, nothing on Trump or anyone in his administration colluding with Russia or engaging in espionage.

If our country manages to somehow survive this onslaught by her enemies from within - both elected and media - history will show these attempts to make the legally constituted presidency of Donald Trump ineffective as one of the saddest chapters since the Civil War.

Shame on the Democrats, the bureaucracy, and the liberal media for their almost unbelievable attack on our democracy.

Whatever it's faults may be - kudos to Fox News for it's stand against the enemies of the state.

EpiscipalMe · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
My point. Mueller indicted a troll farm. How ridiculous is that.

He didn’t indict a troll farm. He indicted the Russian intelligence operatives responsible.
“Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who announced the charges, said the defendants worked for the Russian government's Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff — known by its Russian initials as the GRU.”
All The Criminal Charges To Emerge So Far From Robert Mueller's Investigation

And a bunch of other people too, of course. But Trump supporters conveniently leave all this out when they say it is all a witch hunt that isn’t producing results.

Queller · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
And never had one.

In your opinion.

What this report omits is that an FBI informant on their payroll invited Papa to England to discuss him working on a project. When Papa got there the paid informant planted the idea that Russia had dirt on Hillary. Then Papa never got a call back from the informant on the 'project.' Classic plant to see where the info goes and why Papa will only spend 14 days in jail as this was entrapment. Then Papa goes to Australia where another paid informant hears what the English informant gave Papa. The self licking ice cream cone. LOL what a set up. But no one brushes this off as opposition research as did the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Now your next comment says it all:

Well gosh, I guess the FBI should just shut down all sting operations forever, then.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

EpiscipalMe said:
He didn’t indict a troll farm. He indicted the Russian intelligence operatives responsible.
“Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who announced the charges, said the defendants worked for the Russian government's Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff — known by its Russian initials as the GRU.”
All The Criminal Charges To Emerge So Far From Robert Mueller's Investigation

And a bunch of other people too, of course. But Trump supporters conveniently leave all this out when they say it is all a witch hunt that isn’t producing results.

Ok who are they? When will they show to face the charges? I guess he actually had to indict some Russians in a Russian collusion investigation. What are the ties of these Russians to any Americans currently serving in office? Seems Mueller has no such evidence.

Indicted: Russian Intelligence
In July 2018, the Justice Department brought charges against 12 Russian intelligence officers on a litany of alleged crimes related to Russia's hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Queller said:
In your opinion.

Show me what was used to launch the investigation. A hunch, payback for Comey? It's dirty and I think most know it is.

EpiscipalMe · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Ok who are they? When will they show to face the charges? I guess he actually had to indict some Russians in a Russian collusion investigation. What are the ties of these Russians to any Americans currently serving in office? Seems Mueller has no such evidence.

Indicted: Russian Intelligence
In July 2018, the Justice Department brought charges against 12 Russian intelligence officers on a litany of alleged crimes related to Russia's hacking of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the Clinton presidential campaign.

Happy reading. It’s amazing what a simple Google search will find.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...ction=click&module=Intentional&pgtype=Article

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

EpiscipalMe said:
Happy reading. It’s amazing what a simple Google search will find.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthe...ction=click&module=Intentional&pgtype=Article

Thank you for that. Mueller indicted 12 known GRU agents. LOL let me know when they show up.

Hank77 · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Based always on evidence. The Police just can't investigate you because they believe you might have broken the law. That is what the FBI did in this probe.

I'd bet that the FBI has a file on someone very close to me because they were an officer for an international company, based in Russia, owned by a Ukrainian, they traveled several times to Russia, once to the Ukraine, and to the company's bank on the Isle of Mann. They were the only US employee.
Do you think the FBI knew all about them? I think they probably did.

Queller · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Suspicion based on what

Information about George Papadopoulos

and not even cops can have you open the trunk of your car without probable cause. You are starting to scare me dude.

Oh stop the drama. The key words there are probable cause.

The police can absolutely stop you if they see you exceeding the speed limit. If they then smell marijuana (in a jurisdiction where it is illegal) and believe you aren't being truthful about the answers you provide, they can absolutely search your car. This is basic legal doctrine.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Hank77 said:
I'd bet that the FBI has a file on someone very close to me because they were an officer for an international company, based in Russia, owned by a Ukrainian, they traveled several times to Russia, once to the Ukraine, and to the company's bank on the Isle of Mann. They were the only US employee.
Do you think the FBI knew all about them? I think they probably did.

Ask the question...when did this happen? If the FBI had a file on him why did they not indict him years ago?

I think you know the answer. The timing was not right to do so. This amounts to blackmail plea bargaining to get information you want even it does not exist, and if not throw the book at the guy for something unrelated to the investigation.

Which is why most of these indictments are for perjury and not collusion with Russia.

EpiscipalMe · Jan 15, 2019

redleghunter said:
Thank you for that. Mueller indicted 12 known GRU agents. LOL let me know when they show up.

Nobody is expecting them to. No one ever was. But, the indictment pretty clearly lays out Mueller’s evidence which you claim he didn’t have.

redleghunter · Jan 15, 2019

Queller said:
Information about George Papadopoulos

What did he do that was against the law? Well I guess he did lie under oath about something that was not illegal. I would indict him just for being stupid but last I checked that was not a crime but in abundance within the Belt-Way.

Queller said:
Oh stop the drama. The key words there are probable cause.

Indeed there needs to be a probable cause.

Queller said:
he police can absolutely stop you if they see you exceeding the speed limit. If they then smell marijuana (in a jurisdiction where it is illegal) and believe you aren't being truthful about the answers you provide, they can absolutely search your car. This is basic legal doctrine.

Which matches nothing on the subject.

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