What are some examples of losing salvation?

Loyce KG said:

I don't agree with the notion that one can be truly saved and go on to lie, cheat, steal and murder on a regular basis embracing the sin thereof.
Let me spell out for you the evidence of salvation; it's not just lip service but a pure regeneration.

1) Romans 10:10 'For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.' A saved soul is a repentant soul. James 2:19 says even the demons believe and shudder. So it's not just a matter of professing to be a christian but exhibiting fruit.

2) James 2:14 'What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?'
Vs 17, 'Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.'
John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, 'IF ye continue in my word, THEN are ye my disciples indeed; obedience to God's word is evidence of true conversion.
Good works are evidence of salvation. (Ephesians 2:10).
When a person is saved, his desires are transformed; he begins to hate sin and love righteousness. He will not be sinless, but the pattern of his life will be decreasing sin and increasing righteousness.

3) John 10:1- is perhaps the most profound illustration of true converts (sheep) vs false (goats).
''And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.'' ''I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.''

4)1 John 5; vs 10 ''The one who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself''
vs 13 ''I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life''(this is assurance of salvation for those who believe).
The word 'believe' is PISTEUO in greek which means to be committed or to commit one's trust unto. The evidence of true belief or faith is commitment unto Jesus Christ.

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By my fruit shows whether I am saved or not...? And by what kind of fruit I produce...? Is that what saves me...?

Oh and I do like your post BTW though... Lie, cheat, steal, murder, abuse, neglect, not very befitting of any good or true Christian in my book...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

By my fruit shows whether I am saved or not...? And by what kind of fruit I produce...? Is that what saves me...?

Oh and I do like your post BTW though... Lie, cheat, steal, murder, abuse, neglect, not very befitting of any good or true Christian in my book...

God Bless!

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Your fruit doesn't save you. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and as a result we show good works.The next verse Ephesians 2:10 says ' For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,which God prepared beforehand that we would walk in them.

1 John 5:6 says, "This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood." At Jesus' crucifixion, a solider pierced his side with a spear, "and forthwith came there out blood and water" (John 19:34).
If you read the book of exodus, in the old tabernacle which was a picture of Christ; there was a brazen altar or the bronze altar of offerings on which animal sacrifices were made for the atonement of sin(exodus 27:1). Christ's blood atoned sin once and for all (Hebrews 9:12).
A Laver or wash basin stood between the altar of burnt offering and the door of the tabernacle building where the priest would wash his hands clean as a sign of sanctification out of repentance(water baptism).
Hebrews 10:21-22 reminds us that ; " since we have a great priest over the House of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.''

How we know we are saved? By the sacrificial death of our Lord Jesus Christ which was purely a work of God whom we place our faith in, and by the spirit bearing witness;''It is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:6-8).

1 john 2:3-6 says "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked"

Fruit comes after a seed has been planted and grows to bring forth fruit.

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matthew 13:23) Spiritual fruit is evidence of salvation (for those who are called unto Him, hear His voice and follow Him- John 10). One may not exhibit all the fruit of the Holy spirit at but they will atleast have one as listed in galatians 5;22-23.
The parable of the sower in luke 8 is a good analogy of fruit bearing on good soil that receiveth the seed.

Shalom.

Loyce KG said:

Your fruit doesn't save you. We are saved by grace through faith alone in Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8-9) and as a result we show good works.The next verse Ephesians 2:10 says ' For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works,which God prepared beforehand that we would walk in them.

1 John 5:6 says, "This is He that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood." At Jesus' crucifixion, a solider pierced his side with a spear, "and forthwith came there out blood and water" (John 19:34).
If you read the book of exodus, in the old tabernacle which was a picture of Christ; there was a brazen altar or the bronze altar of offerings on which animal sacrifices were made for the atonement of sin(exodus 27:1). Christ's blood atoned sin once and for all (Hebrews 9:12).
A Laver or wash basin stood between the altar of burnt offering and the door of the tabernacle building where the priest would wash his hands clean as a sign of sanctification out of repentance(water baptism).
Hebrews 10:21-22 reminds us that ; " since we have a great priest over the House of God, let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.''

How we know we are saved? By the sacrificial death of our Lord Jesus Christ which was purely a work of God whom we place our faith in, and by the spirit bearing witness;''It is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:6-8).

1 john 2:3-6 says "And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth His word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in Him. He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked"

Fruit comes after a seed has been planted and grows to bring forth fruit.

But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty." (Matthew 13:23) Spiritual fruit is evidence of salvation (for those who are called unto Him, hear His voice and follow Him- John 10). One may not exhibit all the fruit of the Holy spirit at but they will atleast have one as listed in galatians 5;22-23.
The parable of the sower in luke 8 is a good analogy of fruit bearing on good soil that receiveth the seed.

Shalom.

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Is there anything that saves me...? Or what shall I do or not do to be saved...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

Is there anything that saves me...? Or what shall I do or not do to be saved...?

God Bless!

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Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." God saved you.

What shall you do to be saved: Acts 16;31
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Believe IN which means commitment to follow Jesus (this is repentance)

Loyce KG said:

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." God saved you.

What shall you do to be saved: Acts 16;31
“Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Believe IN which means commitment to follow Jesus (this is repentance)

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What about Sin...?

And, "Is that all, and nothing more or added...?"

God Bless!

Loyce KG said:

I don't agree with the notion that one can be truly saved and go on to lie, cheat, steal and murder on a regular basis embracing the sin thereof.
Let me spell out for you the evidence of salvation; it's not just lip service but a pure regeneration.

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No, of course they cannot, they had to give up their salvation in order to live a life like I mentioned, but to say they were never saved before they gave it up, you have no evidence whatsoever of that.

Here, tell me if in the following scripture, someone was or was not saved before they departed that salvation? And if you claim they were never saved to begin with, explain in detail how you drew that conclusion when the Bible is clear they had the faith?

Loyce KG said:

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and not as a result of works, so that no one may boast." God saved you.

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Would you agree faith in God/Christ means to do as they say to do, or are you saying that's not a part of faith in them, or the faith you just mentioned?

Kenny'sID said:

No, of course they cannot, they had to give up their salvation in order to live a life like I mentioned, but to say they were never saved before they gave it up, you have no evidence whatsoever of that.

Here, tell me if in the following scripture, someone was or was not saved before they departed that salvation? And if you claim they were never saved to begin with, explain in detail how you drew that conclusion when the Bible is clear they had the faith?

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How does one give up their salvation? Justify that with Ephesians 2:8-9 showing it is a work of God. If one can give up their salvation then those who haven't, have reason to boast. It would mean those who haven't give up, possess divine ability to do so unlike the ones who lose it.

Am certainly not a reader of hearts but we know scripture talks about goats and sheep. These flock together but sheep follow the shepherd and goats don't. Evidence of being sheep, is hearing the shepherd's voice, knowing Him and following Him. If any of these is missing, you were never sheep.

r

Kenny'sID said:

Would you agree faith in God/Christ means to do as they say to do, or are you saying that's not a part of faith in them, or the faith you just mentioned?

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Read the other posts. The scripture quoted was in response to one question. It is not a stand-alone guide in regards to faith. Those who are saved by grace through faith are His workmanship.
shalom.

If we could lose our salvation and then regain it back again?

So let's say next week on Monday I lose my salvation and then on Thursday I gain it back again but, on Saturday lose it again.

Comes with a warning on the package.

BE CAREFUL WHAT DAY YOU DIE ON.

M-Bob

Neogaia777 said:

What about Sin...?

And, "Is that all, and nothing more or added...?"

God Bless!

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I don't understand what your question is. Care to elaborate?

Loyce KG said:

If any of these is missing, you were never sheep.

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Then you are saying the goats "were never saved to begin with", correct? If not, how do you know that, where does that scripture even come close to so much as hinting that is the case?

But the fact is, they weren't saved, do you have to ask why? The scripture makes it crystal clear, while it never says they weren't saved at some point, that is something that' made up/assumed, and for no good reason.

Loyce KG said:

r

Read the other posts. The scripture quoted was in response to one question. It is not a stand-alone guide in regards to faith. Those who are saved by grace through faith are His workmanship.
shalom.

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I didn't claim it was, or was it easier to make that comment than to answer the simple question I posed?

Loyce KG said:

I don't understand what your question is. Care to elaborate?

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If I do not have to do anything other than have Faith and Believe, and it's important to Love to be saved, then, what about sin...? And "is that all and nothing added or more added, ect" is referring to the prior statement or question of mine about it only having to be just only Faith and Believing and Love, is that all and nothing more or added or not...? (That I think you said there was not more than that required, if I believe correctly) And then, if, or if not, "What about sin...?"

Or How do or should we deal with and or handle sin and the issue in either case...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 said:

What about Sin...?

And, "Is that all, and nothing more or added...?"

God Bless!

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Is Christ not your Advocate to the Father?

And did not the Father resurrect Christ accepting His blood sacrifice for the sins of His Own?

Now what are you going to add to Christ’s perfect blood and death for sin?

ToBeLoved said:

Is Christ not your Advocate to the Father?

And did not the Father resurrect Christ accepting His blood sacrifice for the sins of His Own?

Now what are you going to add to Christ’s perfect blood and death for sin?

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Was kind of my point, but I wanted to see what others would say...

But/cause many are still gonna ask "What about sin" though...

God Bless!

JohnB445 said:

Do we lose it like we lose a set of car keys? Does someone just tip their hat to God and decide they don't want eternal life anymore?

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For most people, they never receive eternal life because they care so little about this.

If someone gives you a $100,000 car to care for,
and you lose it or crash it on purpose
do you think you will escape ?
Not likely.

Since the greatest price ever paid for all things was paid for your soul,
if you trampled it underfoot,
do you think you could escape punishment ? Not possible - whoever tramples underfoot the blood of Jesus has NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS - so they pay the price themselves for their sins - eternal death.

It is not something small or insignificant, but greater than anything ever known to angels in heaven or men on earth.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

For most people, they never receive eternal life because they care so little about this.

If someone gives you a $100,000 car to care for,
and you lose it or crash it on purpose
do you think you will escape ?
Not likely.

Since the greatest price ever paid for all things was paid for your soul,
if you trampled it underfoot,
do you think you could escape punishment ? Not possible - whoever tramples underfoot the blood of Jesus has NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR THEIR SINS - so they pay the price themselves for their sins - eternal death.

It is not something small or insignificant, but greater than anything ever known to angels in heaven or men on earth.

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I've purposely "crashed my car" on purpose many times, just to see if anyone knew or was in my mind basically, and/or had access to my mind and/or were listening kind of a thing, many, many times... And I found out a lot of times they did, and man it would tick them off when I would do that, but that was one of my main indicators and only ways of finding out of course, cause I felt like was the only way I could find out and know for sure...

I hope they understand...

Anyway,

God Bless!

I wonder, if i would still have time for God if i would win 30 million Dollars...
Spending money on awesome stuff would possibly become my religion...

Neogaia777 said:

I've purposely "crashed my car" on purpose many times, just to see if anyone knew or was in my mind basically, and/or had access to my mind and/or were listening kind of a thing, many, many times... And I found out a lot of times they did, and man it would tick them off when I would do that, but that was one of my main indicators and only ways of finding out of course, cause I felt like was the only way I could find out and know for sure...

I hope they understand...

Anyway,

God Bless!

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I had to do "something" to get a "rise" out of them and by the rise out of them, find out and know...

So, "crashing" my "car" on purpose, was the only thing I could think of... I don't think they took my "license" away for it though, maybe because they knew I was doing it on purpose, for a purpose, IDK...?

What about the weak minded though, or those who really have no idea or clue what is really going on, at all... and that, and don't know if, when you get "hit" by something, you don't stabilize or get control of yourself right away, and they feel this "feeling" and "reel" or it makes their head spin or their body is affected, ect, or whatever, by either seizures, strokes, heart attacks, ect...

"Driving" is this context, is how you navigate (mentally, emotionally) the media and everything in the world that is out there now, or that you are exposed to and those who would maybe try to purposely play mind or mental tricks on you, or if they are not doing that specifically, for "something else" or "some other reason"...

Anyway, do we just leave those who don't know what's going on and are weaker mentally emotionally ect, to their fate...? Doctor told a seizure patient that what was going on with her was "natural", now what did he mean by that...? Does that mean they can't do anything about it, or are going to do nothing...?

No, they need to know what's going on and we need to find a way to help them be stronger more stable, ect...

And they need to know what's really going on "out there" now... Some kind of seem to, but don't seem to be very free with that information sometimes either...

It's a confusing world now, hard and difficult to navigate, and the weak do not do it very well at all...

They "crash" by some of these thoughts that I use to purposely crash, anyway, when one of these kinds of thoughts that I use to purposely crash, "hits" them, they crash, and don't know what's going on and doesn't know why or anything about it at all...

God Bless!