The Adam and Eve are in devorce, so it is time to revise the Methodology of Science

Aman777 said: ↑
Here are some verses which confirm my view.

Gen 1:11 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after HIS kind,

Who made grass, herbs and trees? Whoever it was, God spoke of Him on the 3rd Day. Hint: His name in the OT is Lord God/YHWH.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after THEIR kind, and every winged fowl after HIS kind: and God saw that it was good.

Who is Their unless it's God the Trinity?
This lets us know who HIS is, since Jesus/Lord God made birds to be a help meet to Adam.Genesis 2:19

It's simple since God the Trinity is an invisible Spirit and Lord God/Jesus is the physical incarnation of the invisible Spirit. Does this stay True throughout the Bible? Of course it does.

Gen 7:14 They, and every beast after HIS kind, and all the cattle after THEIR kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after HIS kind, and every fowl after HIS kind, every bird of every sort.

Beasts were made by Lord God/Jesus. Genesis 2:19 They are HIS kinds.
Cattle and birds are both THEIR kinds or Trinity kinds and HIS kinds. Genesis 1:21 andGenesis 6:20
Creeping things were made by Lord God/Jesus or HIS kinds at God the Trinity's command.Gen 1:24

Your idea that this is a "unsupportable claim" is thus soundly refuted. Not knowing the difference between God the Trinity's kind and His kind leaves one blind to God's Truth in Genesis. Can you tell us the difference between the "KINDS"? Hint: one is immortal and the other is subject to death.

Bungle_Bear said:

If you persist with this lie I shall report you.

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To whom?

Freodin said:

Again, a faulty interpretation of the text. The "after their kind" does not refer to some sort of model, but is a reference to the different types of the animals mentioned.

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Not so, since Their kinds are always Eternal kinds and His kinds are always Temporary kinds which are subject to death. I asked if you knew WHY, but you didn't reply.

Freodin said:

This is also evident in contrast to the terms used in the context of the creation of humans... which were deliberately described as being created after a model: God created them "in his image".

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What is God's image since He is an invisible Spirit? Is God saying that mankind MUST be born again Spiritually? Of course He is. Adam was "formed" on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and rain Genesis 2:4-7 by Lord God/Jesus. Adam was also "created in God's Image" on the 6th Day along with Eve who was NOT made until the 6th Day. Genesis 2:22

Freodin said:

Well, they wrote Genesis, and it was the authors' students and successors who did the interpretation. Yes, I would claim that the people who spoke the language and were directly involved in the culture that produced this text would understand it better than some forigner who claims to have "increased knowledge" just by the date of his birth.

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Not so since ALL Scripture is authored by God the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth. God tells us that His people have NONE understanding. Jer 4:22

Freodin said:

Can you point me to any people beyond you who have this special interpretation of the text?

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I have found many friends online since I began telling of God's Truth in Genesis since the middle 90s. God's Truth agrees in every way with every discovery of Science and History. It does not agree with the ToE.

Freodin said:

That again is one of these assertions that you cannot back up by history, science or scripture.
History and science do not make any statement about the ability or inability of early humans and humanoids to "know both good and evil", and scripture does not even support your view that there are other "prehistoric people" creations... or what they thought about good and evil.

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All you have to do is click on the link I provided and it would keep you from stating that Scripture does not teach what is shown below:

Gen 3:22 ¶ And the LORD God (Jesus) said, Behold, the man is become as one of US, (Trinity) to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Freodin said:

But again: through all of history, somewhere, somewhen, someone did something first. That this happens in not a sign that some "descendants" arrived and brought with them "superior" intelligence.
If that was the case, you would need a lot more "Arks" arriving that your 11.000 years old version.

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Why? Noah had many grandsons who chose among the million prehistoric people alive, 11k years ago. Today, there are more than 7 Billion descendants of Adam, (Humans) alive today, in the last days of this lost and dying world. Our God has produced almost enough of His children to fill Heaven. Soon, He will rest from ALL of His work of creating. Genesis 1:2-3

Aman777 said:

Your idea that this is a "unsupportable claim" is thus soundly refuted. Not knowing the difference between God the Trinity's kind and His kind leaves one blind to God's Truth in Genesis. Can you tell us the difference between the "KINDS"? Hint: one is immortal and the other is subject to death.

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We've been over this before. You're being willfully dishonest.
Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

Freodin said:

Hey, there are a lot of "Christains of the last days" right now on this board. Maybe you should start a poll to see what they all think about your views?

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I have no problems with Christians and they accept me as one of them. I can also assure you that unless I could support my views with Scripture, they would have refuted me years ago.

Freodin said:

Hey, there are a lot of "Christains of the last days" right now on this board. Maybe you should start a poll to see what they all think about your views?

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Fine with me.

Freodin said:

"Prehistoric people" - humans - build houses some hundreds of thousands of years before your "Ark" story. They didn't have widespread agriculture, though to which degree they might have "planted crops" we simply do not know. There isn't a lot of evidence that can help to distinguish between a random foraging of crops and a deliberate planting of some plants.

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In your dreams. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE

Freodin said:

No, not superstitious people without increased intelligence. "Descendants of Adam" with "superior intelligence". You want to have it both ways: super-intelligent humans who start "all of the traits of modern men"... and in the same time "superstitious people without the increased intelligence".

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Adam's world was totally destroyed because of the violent Humans there. Genesis 6:13 The present world/universe will be saved just before it is totally destroyed by the violent Humans here. Mat 24:22

Freodin said:

You keep making this claim... and it is just WRONG. It didn't appear "suddenly", and your version of "ALL of the traits of modern men" is just nonsense. You simply pick and chose... and distort.

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Tell it to historians who call Mesopotamia the Cradle of Civilization on this planet.

Freodin said:

Home building did not first appear in the Fertile Crescent. Neither did the very modern human trait of tool production, or the very human and very basic concept of pottery.

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Read Genesis 4:16-22 in order to understand the difference between Adam's descendants and prehistoric people who NEVER built a home, nor a city, nor a farm, even though they had thousands of years of evolution. It's because mindless Nature does NOT and cannot insert God's superior intelligence into Apes.

Freodin said:

A possible interpretation, but not a conclusive one. You cannot rule out angels.

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Show me one made of flesh, but remember that flesh and blood cannot enter Heaven where angels live. The angels who left Heaven are in chains. Jde 1:6

Freodin said:

You are adding to the Bible again. This is not what the text says. It only says that Cain went away and "knew" his wife. It doesn't specify who this wife was, and it definitly doesn't say that Cain married one of the "living creatures which came from water".
A very common interpretation is that he married one of his sisters.

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False accusation since Cain married a prehistoric woman and produced Enoch, his son. It was the same on our Planet with Noah's grandsons, who like Cain, had no other Humans to marry. Genesis 6:4 says this clearly IF you can understand. If not, I will be more than happy to show you.

Freodin said:

Again, the text doesn't say that. It does on the other hand say God directly created man and woman - Adam and Eve - and told them to be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth. No mention that they should procreate with any other creation. Quite the contrary: every other animal was brought to Adam for him to name... and chose a mate. But none of these "creations" was the right mate for him... thus the creation of Eve.

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it's help meet, not help mate. You just "added to" what is written.

Freodin said:

There is no mention of a different sort of "prehistoric people" in the text.

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Did prehistoric man move? Of course and Genesis 1:21 tells us that God created and brought forth from Water "every living creature that moveth". Prehistoric people are Their (Trinity) kinds. Humans are His (Jesus) kinds.

Freodin said:

This is scientifically nonsense. There is nothing in science that makes a distinction between "humans made from dust" and "people comming from water". There is no - absolutely no - basic scientific difference between "humans" and "prehistoric people".

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Except prehistoric people lived just like any other animal until 11k years ago when the Ark arrived on this Earth.

Freodin said:

Please explain - consistently - your versions of "worlds", and your timeline again. I have enormous difficulties following your version of what happened when and where.

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God created Heaven/air, ground without form/dust and water before the first Day. Genesis 1:1 That matter is in the Multiverse which contains Adam's Universe, which was made in the midst or middle of the water and our Universe which is made in the middle of Dust. Notice that Adam's world and the present world were made by Lord God/Jesus Genesis 2:4 which means they are TEMPORARY and subject to death. God the Trinity made the Multiverse and it is Eternal.

Freodin said:

No, this is not "proof of superior intelligence". It is a result of accumulated knowledge and technological progress.

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Exactly as God told Daniel thousands of years ago. Daniel 12:4 Only Humans and God have the ability to understand and accumulate knowledge. Genesis 3:22

Freodin said:

"Prehistory man" showed a lot of these traits. Tool making, pottery, use of fire, weaving, house building, social structures... history and science disagree with you.

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It's because the false ToE has led mankind astray. 2 Peter 3:3-7 calls them the Scoffers of the last days who are "willingly ignorant" that Adam's firmament/Heaven was totally and completely destroyed in the flood and that the present world will be burned.

Freodin said:

In about 2% of the time you claim "humans" are here on Earth, we have gone from a civilization that relied on animals as main means of transport to the Moon. This is not because the humans of the last two centuries have a "superior intelligence" to their ancestors. They just have more accumulated knowledge and technology.

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Amen, but only the descendants of Adam (Humans) went to the Moon. It's less than 1% of the time (6 million years) since prehistoric man diverged from Chimps. For 99% of the time, prehistoric man behaved like any other animal.

Freodin said:

Our modern world is build on the accumulated knowledge of the millennia before us... but we have to preserve it. If people like you had their will, we would still - again - live in tallow lit hovels, not knowing how to smelt metal or throw a wheel.

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Or read Genesis and be able to explain the scientific Truth written by the Holy Spirit 3k years ago and show HOW it agrees Scientifically and Historically.

Aman777 said:

Then show us Scripturally where it is wrong.....

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That is not what I wrote. You have a story and:
A story about an "Adam's Earth" before the Big Bang unsupported by Scripture or science is never true.

Todays science is unaware of your story of an "Adam's Earth" because you have not published them in scientific literature! Todays Bible scholars are aware that an "Adam's Earth" is a fantasy because the Bible has 1 creation before the first day and shaping of that creation during the other days. The Bible has the creation of man on the sixth day.
Genesis creation narrative

You still destroy Adam's Earth, Adam, Eve, and their descendants and the entire contents of the universe in the Big Bang 13.8 billion years ago.

A nonsensical question does not fix You make a story of Adam's descendants (Noah's family) getting onto Earth false by destroying the entire contents of the universe.

Your map shows that it is a lie that "History records that the first Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived SUDDENLY in the mountains of Ararat". The dates of the human sites in Ararat are ~2000 years after the dates of other human sites, e.g. Jericho. These are the first human settlements by nomadic human tribes.

There is no science fictional arrival from another planet in a wooden spacecraft through a universe full of water in the Bible.
Genesis flood narrative
The Bible is clear that the water in the flood came from rain and fountains on Earth. The Bible is clear that the Ark floated on top of the water. No mention of the universe being full of water. No mention of other planets. No mention of the massive oxygen supplies needed to support the crew and animals. A still flooded with water universe when Noah released the crow?