Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.

98cwitr said:

Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.

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Better to fight for it an lose. If the mother is destroying the child, it would make me a terrible father to not fight for the child.

SnowyMacie said:

savejames.com. The website this all seems to originate from.




This smells like a some sort of Trojan horse or something fishy. I was even thinking about it this morning. This family and website is clearly on the father's side and yet there's nothing from the father or even a picture, nut there is of the child in question and his/her friends. I almost think this is what is happening...

There is a custody battle going on between a divorced couple that centers around James/Luna's potentially being a transgender child. Someone claiming to be a friend of James' father, who is remaining anonymous for some reason, made this website to promote their views and make it a thing. I also wonder about the legality of it cause there's legit legal documents on the website with confidential information.

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The court docs. are probably public record and even if they aren't the father would have a copy of them. He can give them to whomever he chooses.

Tiras84 said:

Please do a more careful read.

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I was actually quoting something else.

SnowyMacie said:

The court sided with the mother.

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Says who?

Andrew77 said:

Better to fight for it an lose. If the mother is destroying the child, it would make me a terrible father to not fight for the child.

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and if the child is transgender who would you be fighting for?

Tiras84 said:

and if the child is transgender who would you be fighting for?

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So you are saying that if I did a DNA test, it would not come up with an XY or XX chromosomes?
I think I'll wait until such an event happens, before I debate it.

98cwitr said:

Mom Says 6-Year-Old Son Is Transgender. Dad Disagrees. Now He Might Lose His Son.

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The mother is an idiot.

JacksBratt said:

It may help if these "facts" were stated.

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Thats my point Jack - It was a story from a site....who in turn got it from a site...known by Fact Checker for biased reports devoid of FACT. The whole thing was based on an opinion piece from the Federalist who had interviewed the parents, did not have the transcript, had become aware of the boy when he attended a teen camp, and got all his so-called fact from a family who knew the family...... As christians we would be better served by by making statements against against ethical reporting not concocted rubbish.

98cwitr said:

Court docs are here: savejames.com

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Yes - and what have you deduced from SaveJames...talk about a suspicious site

AlexDTX said:

The mother is an idiot.

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hmmm...whats idiocy is not some purported action by a mother - idiocy is a false report purporting to be a real report. These types of sites aim to make you get all upset and excited. Their actions are immoral. Dont feed their behaviour by showing they induced you to side with a report devoid of fact.

Even if this particular story isn't true, there's still demented people out there like the woman described in the link.

Zoii said:

hmmm...whats idiocy is not some purported action by a mother - idiocy is a false report purporting to be a real report. These types of sites aim to make you get all upset and excited. Their actions are immoral. Dont feed their behaviour by showing they induced you to side with a report devoid of fact.

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If what you say is true, well said.

Zoii said:

Thats my point Jack - It was a story from a site....who in turn got it from a site...known by Fact Checker for biased reports devoid of FACT. The whole thing was based on an opinion piece from the Federalist who had interviewed the parents, did not have the transcript, had become aware of the boy when he attended a teen camp, and got all his so-called fact from a family who knew the family...... As christians we would be better served by by making statements against against ethical reporting not concocted rubbish.

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Thanks for the info. I didn't know what you were referring to.

I think anytime there is a question concerning a child's sexual nature, we must let their peers reveal it to us. If they are rejected by the peers of their own physical sex, and are accepted by those not of his/her physical sex, we then have our answer. Past 3rd grade the child should have difficulty finding friends of either sex. This due to the social conditioning from religious false teaching for many centuries.

Zoii said:

Guys, Guys - Before you hyperventilate too much - do your research - You will find that its a concocted story by Livewire who grabbed the story from the 'Federalists' who -

• didnt use any court transcript,
• didnt interview parents
• Took their info from a family who knew the family
• The author heard about the child when he visited a youth camp.

Seriously - How does a story like this get to be a feature story on CF - And then how do so many Christians jump in without even questioning it.

Still - that's just what sites like the Federalists hope to achieve - Oh and Fact-Checker...see if you can guess how well that site rates by Fact Checker?...Any guesses?

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Figures. This propaganda certainly incites discussion, doesn't it?

Cuddles333 said:

I think anytime there is a question concerning a child's sexual nature, we must let their peers reveal it to us. If they are rejected by the peers of their own physical sex, and are accepted by those not of his/her physical sex, we then have our answer. Past 3rd grade the child should have difficulty finding friends of either sex. This due to the social conditioning from religious false teaching for many centuries.

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"No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin, or his background, or his religion. People must learn to hate, and if they can learn to hate, they can be taught to love, for love comes more naturally to the human heart than its opposite." Nelson Mandela

The mother should be ashamed of herself. The evidence shows transgenderism is a disorder. Surgery has proven not to work according to many studies (sources below) and people dealing with gender dysphoria usually have other disorders such as eating disorders, autism, attention deficit disorder, anxiety, depression leading to suicide and other mental illnesses (sources below). Much like people dealing with anorexia may see or feel something separate from reality. Also there have been studies showing people with these feeling at a young age later on are no longer dealing with gender dysphoria as they get older (source last link). People that are dealing with this should be given respect and be provided proper treatment. Nobody is born in the wrong body it's scientifically impossible. People may have a desire to be the opposite gender, but that is a preference and not a natural fact. The worldview that tries to push the normalization of this disorder hides behind emotionalism that is void of any factuality on the subject.

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

There's Growing Evidence For A Link Between Gender Dysphoria And Autism Spectrum Disorders

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...AhVZ5LEjkc9VS2YQYMLMKNJwkp5D4KezojOdNI_Rg3g8w

Mental health risk higher for transgender youth

Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children. - PubMed - NCBI

Logic Over Emotionalism said:

The mother should be ashamed of herself. The evidence shows transgenderism is a disorder. Surgery has proven not to work according to many studies (sources below)

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what do you mean by "not proven to work?"

and people dealing with gender dysphoria usually have other disorders such as eating disorders, autism, attention deficit disorder, anxiety, depression leading to suicide and other mental illnesses (sources below).

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and what do your sources say about the causal factors of these co-morbid conditions?

Much like people dealing with anorexia may see or feel something separate from reality. Also there have been studies showing people with these feeling at a young age later on are no longer dealing with gender dysphoria as they get older (source last link).

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What your referenced study showed was that while some no longer deal with gender dysphoria many do and the difference between the two groups is the prevalence and severity of the symptoms of gender dysphoria at an early age.

People that are dealing with this should be given respect and be provided proper treatment. Nobody is born in the wrong body it's scientifically impossible. People may have a desire to be the opposite gender, but that is a preference and not a natural fact. The worldview that tries to push the normalization of this disorder hides behind emotionalism that is void of any factuality on the subject.

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and how is this blanket dismissal respectful?

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

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Paul R. McHugh, the John Hopkins Psychitrist has been widely criticized for his misrepresentation of research findings of others.

From your link: "He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people."

The study in question is your previous reference the Cohort study in Sweden. The study's author's were displeased by the misrepresentation of their work and the lead researcher
Cecilia Dhejne expressed her concerns about Dr. McHugh's misuse of the study:

Dr. Paul McHugh and Christian Integrity

Logic Over Emotionalism said:

The mother should be ashamed of herself. The evidence shows transgenderism is a disorder. Surgery has proven not to work according to many studies (sources below) and people dealing with gender dysphoria usually have other disorders such as eating disorders, autism, attention deficit disorder, anxiety, depression leading to suicide and other mental illnesses (sources below). Much like people dealing with anorexia may see or feel something separate from reality. Also there have been studies showing people with these feeling at a young age later on are no longer dealing with gender dysphoria as they get older (source last link). People that are dealing with this should be given respect and be provided proper treatment. Nobody is born in the wrong body it's scientifically impossible. People may have a desire to be the opposite gender, but that is a preference and not a natural fact. The worldview that tries to push the normalization of this disorder hides behind emotionalism that is void of any factuality on the subject.

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist: Transgender is ‘Mental Disorder;' Sex Change ‘Biologically Impossible’

There's Growing Evidence For A Link Between Gender Dysphoria And Autism Spectrum Disorders

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...AhVZ5LEjkc9VS2YQYMLMKNJwkp5D4KezojOdNI_Rg3g8w

Mental health risk higher for transgender youth

Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children. - PubMed - NCBI

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You do realise its a fake story right?

Tiras84 said:

what do you mean by "not proven to work?"



and what do your sources say about the causal factors of these co-morbid conditions?

What your referenced study showed was that while some no longer deal with gender dysphoria many do and the difference between the two groups is the prevalence and severity of the symptoms of gender dysphoria at an early age.

and how is this blanket dismissal respectful?

Paul R. McHugh, the John Hopkins Psychitrist has been widely criticized for his misrepresentation of research findings of others.

From your link: "He also reported on a new study showing that the suicide rate among transgendered people who had reassignment surgery is 20 times higher than the suicide rate among non-transgender people."

The study in question is your previous reference the Cohort study in Sweden. The study's author's were displeased by the misrepresentation of their work and the lead researcher
Cecilia Dhejne expressed her concerns about Dr. McHugh's misuse of the study:

Dr. Paul McHugh and Christian Integrity

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1. According to the studies I posted that prove they do not work:

"The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham's aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective."

Sex changes are not effective, say researchers

"Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population."

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

2. Now your second point "sources say about the causal factors of these co-morbid conditions?". According to the studies these disorders are more common among transgenders then the general population. There are many studies on this. According to one of the articles:

"Mounting evidence over the last decade points to increased rates of autism spectrum disorders (ASD) and autism traits among children and adults with gender dysphoria, or incongruence between a person’s experienced or expressed gender and the gender assigned to them at birth....significantly higher than among the general population."

There's Growing Evidence For A Link Between Gender Dysphoria And Autism Spectrum Disorders


3. You said "some no longer" but "deal with gender dysphoria many do", yet the study showed that only 27% (12 boys and 9 girls) were still gender dysphoric at the end of the study. So a factual statement would be that many do not deal with this as they get older but some do.

Psychosexual outcome of gender-dysphoric children. - PubMed - NCBI