Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

LoveGodsWord · Oct 3, 2018

David Cabrera said:
Tell me how celebrating the Birth and resurrection of Christ is pagan?

There is no scripture for it like Christmas and Easter. The pagan festival of sun worship was followed in pagan Rome as a day of sun worship held on Sunday. In the year 321; 7th March, Constantine decreed “the day of the sun” as a day of rest. Constantine decreed that dies Solis, or “the day of the sun,” should be observed as a universal day of rest. Constantine chose Sunday to be the day for Christian worship as it already enjoyed special status in the Roman week. Named after the Pagan Sun God Invictus.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 3, 2018

☦Marius☦ said:
Neither is celebrating the Resurrection yearly or any of the other things done around the year by the church in the Bible.
But that doesn't mean the early Christians didn't do them.

I can't wait for Easter to come around so I can dust the cob webs off of my Easter Egg Canon .............

Easter is around the corner!!! What do you do special for this time of the year?!!

LittleLambofJesus said:
My crew is in the process of developing a cannon that will be able to launch different colored easter eggs on Easter Sunday.

Tis a daunting task tho, as they will have to make it where the eggs won't explode whilst being shot out

John 19:30
When then Jesus had received/got the vinegar, He said "it has been finished!/tetelestai <5055> (5769)".
And reclining the head He gives-up the spirit.

Revelation 12:5
And she brought forth a Son, male, Who is being about to be Shepherding all the nations in a rod rod/staff of iron.
And is caught-away the offspring of her toward the God, and toward the throne of Him

Revelation 1:18
and the living One!
And I became dead and behold! And I am Living into the Ages of the Ages,
and I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

Hank77 said:
OK, let's take one of your scriptures from your OP. Which by the way is one that the JWs use.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
Jer 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
Jer 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

The Syraic version says... "the idols of the people are nothing"

Isa 40:19 The workman melteth a graven image, and the goldsmith spreadeth it over with gold, and casteth silver chains.

Isa 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.

It's clear to me that the Jeremiah scripture is talking about graven images carved from wood, then decorated, and worshiped. A Christmas tree isn't a image of a human or an animal. This scripture is pointing out that a graven image is worthless to men. Even a pagan wouldn't pray to a Christmas tree or bring the tree gifts in order to find favor with the tree.

I noticed you did not address Deuteronomy 16:21-22. Again, why would God have a problem with trees being near the altar?

Surely this ties in with the pagan worship of trees during that time.
You can even read about the worship of trees through out history.

So yeah; I am not buyin' what you are sellin.

You could interpret that way as you as you suggest, but I also could easily also read Jeremiah 10:2-4 as talking about just trees as being idols with it then talking about graven images later in Jeremiah 10; Especially when it talks about an axe and trees in verses 2-4 and verse 19 it talks about melting a graven image (Which is different than using an axe with wood). This sounds to me like they had all kinds of idols: Like trees idols that they decorated, and graven images. But either way, your view does not hold water because we have wiccans today who do regard trees as sacred objects. The wreathes, mistletoes all have pagan origins. Jesus's birth was changed to be on a day of the many pagan gods. Pagan, pagan, pagan, etc. One pagan thing after another with it trying to mix in Jesus. But do you care?

Pat Robertson knows the Christmas tree is pagan.
Pat Robertson knows the day of Christ's birth is pagan.
He simply does not care because he think these things have been magically Christianized. You cannot mix in pagan stuff into the worship of God's ways and say it is now okay. It doesn't work like that. Cain tried to worship God in his own way. That did not work out to well for him in the end.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no scripture for it like Christmas and Easter. The pagan festival of sun worship was followed in pagan Rome as a day of sun worship held on Sunday. In the year 321; 7th March, Constantine decreed “the day of the sun” as a day of rest. Constantine decreed that dies Solis, or “the day of the sun,” should be observed as a universal day of rest. Constantine chose Sunday to be the day for Christian worship as it already enjoyed special status in the Roman week. Named after the Pagan Sun God Invictus.

What?! Sunday worship is not pagan! They broke bread on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:7). The breaking of bread is is another way of saying the Lord's supper because Jesus broke the bread and gave thanks and handed to his disciples (Luke 22:19). The first day of the week was also the time that they gathered the collection, too (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). But we have already been over this before and you rejected that because you think the Saturday Sabbath is still in effect when it is not.

Not David · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
I noticed you did not address Deuteronomy 16:21-22. Again, why would God have a problem with trees being near the altar?

Surely this ties in with the pagan worship of trees during that time.
You can even read about the worship of trees through out history.

So yeah; I am not buyin' what you are sellin.

You could interpret that way as you as you suggest, but I also could easily also read Jeremiah 10:2-4 as talking about just trees as being idols with it then talking about graven images later in Jeremiah 10; Especially when it talks about an axe and trees in verses 2-4 and verse 19 it talks about melting a graven image (Which is different than using an axe with wood). This sounds to me like they had all kinds of idols: Like trees idols that they decorated, and graven images. But either way, your view does not hold water because we have wiccans today who do regard trees as sacred objects. The wreathes, mistletoes all have pagan origins. Jesus's birth was changed to be on a day of the many pagan gods. Pagan, pagan, pagan, etc. One pagan thing after another with it trying to mix in Jesus. But do you care?

Pat Robertson knows the Christmas tree is pagan.
Pat Robertson knows the day of Christ's birth is pagan.
He simply does not care because he think these things have been magically Christianized. You cannot mix in pagan stuff into the worship of God's ways and say it is now okay. It doesn't work like that. Cain tried to worship God in his own way. That did not work out to well for him in the end.

Does that mean we cannot live in places where pagans live because we aren't going to be blessed by God?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

Albion said:
Its more like something in the Bible--in the Gospel of Luke to be more precise

Please show me in the gospel of Luke the following things:

#1. Jesus's birthday is said to be December 25th or verses that hint to that effect.
#2. We are to take a time on this day to focus on Jesus as a baby.
#3. We are to take a Christmas tree and put the presents (gifts or offerings) around our idol tree that we will want to gaze at for hours.
#4. We are to exchange gifts between family and loved ones.
#5. The name "Christmas" is in there.

You said:
Celebrating Christmas is an example of the world getting interested in something that Christians introduced non-believers to, not the other way around.

So you are saying that every organization that claims to follow Jesus is correct?

You said:
You're using the internet, I noticed.

Are you saying that you have never researched anything on the internet before?
Information is not your enemy. It is knowing how to interpret the information and then to accurately apply it. I don't believe you are doing that. But you need to prove your case with Scripture instead of just throwing one liners that does not really prove anything.

Not David · Oct 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no scripture for it like Christmas and Easter. The pagan festival of sun worship was followed in pagan Rome as a day of sun worship held on Sunday. In the year 321; 7th March, Constantine decreed “the day of the sun” as a day of rest. Constantine decreed that dies Solis, or “the day of the sun,” should be observed as a universal day of rest. Constantine chose Sunday to be the day for Christian worship as it already enjoyed special status in the Roman week. Named after the Pagan Sun God Invictus.

And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost.

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.

For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Justin Martyr- First Apology 155-157 CE

LoveGodsWord · Oct 3, 2018

David Cabrera said:
And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost.

And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.

For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

Justin Martyr- First Apology 155-157 CE

And you believe Justin Martyr over God's WORD why? God's people met on everyday of the week. Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day? It is a teaching and tradition of the RCC adopted from Constantine after AD 321.

As shown earlier, there is no scripture for Sunday worship like Christmas and Easter. The pagan festival of sun worship was followed in pagan Rome as a day of sun worship held on Sunday. In the year 321; 7th March, Constantine decreed “the day of the sun” as a day of rest. Constantine decreed that dies Solis, or “the day of the sun,” should be observed as a universal day of rest. Constantine chose Sunday to be the day for Christian worship as it already enjoyed special status in the Roman week. Named after the Pagan Sun God Invictus.

It is a teaching and pagan tradition adopted handed down by the RCC in place of God's 4th commandment.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

thecolorsblend said:
I've got ten things to say to all this nonsense.

01- The pagan thing is spurious at best.

Well, you are not really addressing my points with Scripture. The two points I was making here for #1 was that we do not see Scripture tell us to focus on Jesus as a baby as a holiday with not mentioning His resurrection. Jesus is now a risen Lord and He is not a baby in a manger. While we can talk about Christ's birth, if we do not mention the gospel with that, we are preaching another gospel or message. Christmas leaves out the gospel. It's message is that Jesus was born. That's it. End of story. It's a birthday celebration. But why are we celebrating it? To say nothing more is to miss the point of why Jesus came. But people really do not care about honoring Jesus anyways on this day. They are more focused on the materialism instead in buying and exchanging gifts. So the whole we honor Jesus is just a cover story. Their actions show forth a different story than what is in their hearts. Granted, I am talking to the general masses who celebrate Christmas as a whole here and not rare select few odd cases. Another problem is that the holiday places Jesus's birth on pagan days of worship. Even in your own Catholic encyclopedia you can read about it. This is also in Bible and secular dictionaries. Jesus was born on Nisan the 1st (the beginning of the new Hebrew year or the Jewish new year). Watch the video here to check out the Scriptural points:

Anyways, I looked at your next couple of responses. You are not actually addressing my points with Scripture in a specific way. You are just making broad generalized statements. In other words, I was hoping for you to pick up your sword, dear sir.

Albion · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Please show me in the gospel of Luke the following things:

#1. Jesus's birthday is said to be December 25th or verses that hint to that effect.
#2. We are to take a time on this day to focus on Jesus as a baby.
#3. We are to take a Christmas tree and put the presents (gifts or offerings) around our idol tree that we will want to gaze at for hours.
#4. We are to exchange gifts between family and loved ones.
#5. The name "Christmas" is in there.

That's quite a collection of incidentals. I see that you did not need to be pointed to the Bible verses which tell of the circumstances of Jesus' birth in Bethlehem, i.e. the very event and the circumstances that are most often commemorated on Christmas day.

So you are saying that every organization that claims to follow Jesus is correct?

No, I certainly would not say that.

Are you saying that you have never researched anything on the internet before?

No, again. However, I am not one who has argued that Christians must avoid whatever the world produces, values, and uses.

aiki · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
#1. Christmas is not celebrated anywhere in the Bible.

Nor is my own birthday. So, what?

Jason0047 said:
(a) Jesus is not a baby right now but He is our risen Lord.

We are never told to honor just a baby Jesus alone,
but we are told to live unto a risen Lord (2 Corinthians 5:15).

No Christian I know only celebrates Christ's birth. And often in Christmas-related sermons I've heard over the years the fact that the manger was the precursor to the cross is pointed out. What, then, of your point here? It appears to address an issue that doesn't exist.

Jason0047 said:
Tell me, does Christmas focus on a risen Lord or does it focus on His birth?

Both, actually. At least in my experience. Christ's birth is only meaningful in light of his atoning work as the Lamb of God.

Jason0047 said:
(b) While there are biblical clues to Christ's birth date, the date of Christ's birth is nowhere specifically mentioned in the Bible and oddly his birth is coincidentally placed upon the date of the worship of other pagan gods, and a popular pagan festival, instead.

I'm sure there are many people who celebrate birthdays on days coinciding with pagan festivals. So what? Are you suggesting that the birthday parties of all these people are therefore pagan? That would be silly, obviously. But if their birthday celebrations aren't pagan merely because they occur on pagan festival days, why should we think the birthday celebration for Christ is pagan for such a reason?

Jason0047 said:
Is it okay to worship God in any way we like? In Genesis 4, we see Cain trying to bring the harvest of the ground unto God as a sacrifice instead of offering an animal sacrifice like his brother Abel did correctly (See Genesis 4:3-7).

As the story of Cain demonstrates, if we worship in contradiction to explicit commands from God concerning worship, then we do what is wrong. But we have no explicit command against celebrating Christmas in the Bible, so we may celebrate it without pang of conscience.

Jason0047 said:
Jesus says he seeks for those who will worship Him in spirit and in truth (John 4:24). Are we worshiping in truth if there are some pagan elements (which are a lie) mixed in with the truth?

No Christian I know who celebrates Christmas mixes pagan elements into their celebration.

Jason0047 said:
#2. Christmas Trees.

21 Thou shalt not plant thee a grove of any trees near unto the altar of the Lord thy God, which thou shalt make thee.
22 Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the Lord thy God hateth."
(Deuteronomy 16:21).

God made trees. He doesn't have a problem with them. Pagan worship in the OT times often involved tree groves, though, hence their being forbidden near the altar of God. This was just part of the Israelites distinguishing themselves from the pagan nations around them. I don't see that these verses forbid Christmas trees, however. Nothing pagan about the tree I put up at Christmas time. And I live no where close to an OT altar to God.

Jason0047 said:
2 "Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (Jeremiah 10:2-4).

Yes, and? All this was done in service to pagan worship. This isn't why I have a Christmas tree. It's mere festive decoration. That's it. This passage, then, doesn't pertain to me - or any modern Christian who erects a Christmas tree for the same reason I do.

Jason0047 said:
Celts and druids (witches) believe trees are sacred or magical objects.
Meaning, they holds some kind of significance spiritually for them.

And so? I'm not a druid nor a Celt and I don't believe my Christmas tree is a sacred or magical object.

Jason0047 said:
Some people sing praises to the Christmas tree (without thinking about it) in Christmas carols.

??? What are you talking about? How can a person sing praises to a Christmas tree by accident? You are either praising the tree or you aren't; there's no praising it unconsciously. Goodness! Where did you get such an odd idea? In all the years I've had a Christmas tree, I've never once sung praises to it.

Jason0047 said:
People give attention to a beautiful object and put presents around it (like a gift or offering) to this beautiful object.

I have never put a gift under my Christmas tree as an offering to the tree. None of the Christians I know who have a Christmas tree make offerings to it, either.

Jason0047 said:
Some people dance around the Christmas tree. Sure seems like harmless fun, but what if the Bible is really condemning trees?

God made trees; they exist only because God created them. The Bible does not condemn trees in general. I'm quite certain that God does not condemn my Christmas tree, either.

Jason0047 said:
Also, why would you want to imitate a practice that is similar to the druids and put up a sacred special tree in your home?

Because, obviously, I am not imitating druids when I put up a Christmas tree! As I said, it is mere festive decoration. My tree has no druidic connection whatever. Druids also breathed, and slept, and ate. Am I imitating druids when I do the same? Of course not.

Jason0047 said:
Sure, they may not think it is a god or idol exactly because your not bowing down to it or praying to it, but does that mean we can just put statues of demonic idols in our home and God would be okay with that?

But my Christmas tree isn't a demonic idol. It's a decoration. I did not buy tinsel from a witch; I did not buy Christmas tree lights from a Satanist; I did not buy garland from a sorcerer. I got all my stuff from Canadian Tire.

Jason0047 said:
Is Christmas something in the Bible or is it more like a tradition of men and or after the rudiments of the world? Think about it.

I have. Have you? Doesn't look like it to me...

What you have set out here is a false dichotomy. There aren't just the two options you've described. Christmas isn't in the Bible but it isn't therefore a "tradition of men" or a "rudiment of the world." Christmas for me is a celebration of Christ's birth. The world may think of Christmas differently, as an exercise in consumerism and fairy tale, but that's their problem, not mine. I can celebrate the Lord's birthday on December 25th without it being in the Bible and without it being a mere tradition of men. Really, I would not celebrate Christ's birthday at all if I didn't read in Scripture of his birth.

Jason0047 said:
Should we let a world recognized holiday tell us how we are to worship our Lord? Or do we let the Bible alone tell us how we are to worship our Lord?

The world doesn't get to ruin a perfectly good Christian celebration just because it's twisted Christmas into something carnal and worldly. I don't celebrate Christmas like the world does.

Certainly, we follow the guidelines of Scripture in how we worship God. It is legalism, though, that demands that only what the Bible prescribes concerning worship Christians are allowed to observe in their worship. I don't recall the Bible saying pianos were okay in worship. The Bible doesn't say anything about choirs, or quartets, or solos, either. What about song leaders? Are they evil because they aren't mentioned in the Bible? How about recordings of worship music? The Bible says nothing about them. Are they therefore out-of-bounds for Christians? How far do you want to take your legalism?

Jason0047 said:
In fact, Jesus says that men were transgressing God's commands by their man made traditions. Christmas is a human tradition of man and it is nowhere to be found within the Scriptures; And we are told not to imitate the way of the heathen or the customs of the world. Christmas is very much a custom or celebration of the world.

This is silly. It is a tradition of men to go fishing in the summertime. Is summer fishing evil, then? It is the tradition of men to go on summer vacations. Is it wicked to do so? It is the tradition of men to barbecue meat during the summer. Is barbecuing therefore a sin? It is the tradition of men to wear pants and a shirt. Is doing so a vile, worldly act? Men could wear togas, or long robes, you know. How legalistic and irrational do you want to be?

Jason0047 said:
Yet, Christmas is a time where you feel compelled to give out of pressure.

Not in my family.

Jason0047 said:
#5. The focus of Christmas is materialism and not the worship of Christ on this day.

Most do not actually celebrate Jesus's birth on this day but they actually focus more on the gift giving and the decorating and in celebrating or having a good time with their family.

So? How others may celebrate Christmas has no bearing on how I celebrate it. You are guilty here of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Jason0047 said:
Atheists, psychics, and people of many faiths celebrate Christmas. It is the one time of year where everyone gets together to give and whereby some say they are doing it to honor Christ's birth. Everyone is one big happy family celebrating and exchanging gifts and excited over their newly received material goods. Everyone including Christ haters are celebrating Christmas along with Christ lovers.

But this isn't exactly true, now, is it? Unbelievers celebrate a very different Christmas from mine. They are busy with consuming, and Santa, and boozing it up. I'm focused on Christ, wrapped in swaddling clothes and laying in a manger, the Prince of Peace, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the World. Because this is so, there is a natural separation between my celebration of Christmas and the celebration of Christmas of the World. I "come out from among them and am separate" by putting Christ at the center of Christmas, not by letting the World ruin Christmas for me as you would like it to do.

Jason0047 said:
Christmas is technically a thing of this world. It is world recognized holiday.

Nonsense. Kitchen sinks, and airplanes, and soap are of the world. Ought we to forego these things because the world uses and enjoys them? Obviously not.

Jason0047 said:
Anyways, I say all this in love and with the hope you will investigate the origins of Christmas on your own and seek the Scriptures with God in deep prayer and fasting on this matter. I know that if you will seek the truth, God will show it to you.

I have sought the truth from God and He has shown me that Christmas is perfectly all right to celebrate.

Not David · Oct 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
And you believe Justin Martyr over God's WORD why?

Well, first of all, that debunk your idea of Constantine being the one who made "Sunday Worship" and that it is pagan because of that.
Second, this just happened fifty years after Revelations was written (which also mentions the Lord's Day), so it is probably that not worshipping on Sunday is an innovation since it is something Early Christians never did.
Third, if it would be against God's word, then there would be records of people debating against Sunday worshipping, which there aren't.
Finally, the Bible wasn't joint together until at least another century, so I believe these reports who show this wasn't a conflict during that time.

Albion · Oct 3, 2018

The Christmas tree is the doing of some very famous Christians; and it is unmistakably Christian in its appearance and symbolism. It shares with the trees that the pagans used almost nothing except for the fact that both are...trees.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
What?! Sunday worship is not pagan! They broke bread on the first day of the week (Acts of the Apostles 20:7). The breaking of bread is is another way of saying the Lord's supper because Jesus broke the bread and gave thanks and handed to his disciples (Luke 22:19). The first day of the week was also the time that they gathered the collection, too (1 Corinthians 16:1-2). But we have already been over this before and you rejected that because you think the Saturday Sabbath is still in effect when it is not.

Let us bask in the Sun of the Son........

Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.

Matthew 13:43
“Then the Righteous will shine forth as the Sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 17:2
and He was transfigured before them.
His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.

Mark 16:2
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty Messenger coming down from the heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on His head,
His face was like the sun, and His feet like pillars of fire.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

A_Thinker said:
I don't know ... God did some pretty boss celebrating concerning His gift .... special star, angelic chorus, shepherd's reception, wise men with gifts, etc.

Not the same thing as Christmas today; Not even close.
The wisemen did not exchange gifts between each other around a decorated tree.
They gave their gifts to Jesus and not family and loved ones.

Jesus actually condemned the form of giving that takes place on Christmas today in Luke 6.

Jesus says,

32 "For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again;"
(Luke 6:32-35).

thecolorsblend · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Well, you are not really addressing my points with Scripture.

I didn't perceive any need to respond using Sacred Scripture... not least because Sacred Scripture is not explicit about the time and the date.

Rather, the objective of my post was to inspire readers to search for first-hand sources rather than depend upon the lazy, shoddy and totally useless "scholarship" of others.

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 3, 2018

Since Santa died in 2000, we can safely say that all the Santas since then have been imposters.....

thecolorsblend · Oct 3, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
There is no scripture for it like Christmas and Easter. The pagan festival of sun worship was followed in pagan Rome as a day of sun worship held on Sunday. In the year 321; 7th March, Constantine decreed “the day of the sun” as a day of rest. Constantine decreed that dies Solis, or “the day of the sun,” should be observed as a universal day of rest. Constantine chose Sunday to be the day for Christian worship as it already enjoyed special status in the Roman week. Named after the Pagan Sun God Invictus.

If that's true, why did the Early Church use Sunday as their day of worship?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 3, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Let us bask in the Sun of the Son........

Malachi 4:2
But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.

Matthew 13:43
“Then the Righteous will shine forth as the Sun in the kingdom of their Father.
He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Matthew 17:2
and He was transfigured before them.
His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.

Mark 16:2
Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Revelation 10:1
I saw still another mighty Messenger coming down from the heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on His head,
His face was like the sun, and His feet like pillars of fire.

Really? You are trying to actually tie in music from a highly anti-Christian band with Scripture?

LittleLambofJesus · Oct 3, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Really? You are trying to actually tie in music from a highly anti-Christian band with Scripture?

Oh chill out.........

Why I Think Christmas is Not Biblical (Please read OP before posting).

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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