Is Trinity logical or not?

Uncle Mikey · Sep 1, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
So you believe three gods make one God.

That's not even close to what I posted.

If you wish to have a serious discussion one day, I'll be around... hopefully.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 1, 2018

I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way...

Godistruth1 · Sep 1, 2018

Uncle Mikey said:
I'll just leave this here and be on my merry way...

Care to explain

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
Care to explain

There is much to cover, so I'll do my best to keep it simple.

What we are looking at is the sum result of Mankind's efforts to understand the Universe.

What they have discovered is that everything we see is made of only Twelve Particles of Matter and Four Forces of Nature.

It's called the Standard Model of Particle Physics...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

When One compares the Standard Model to Scripture, something amazing happens.

It all matches perfectly.

In fact... it matches so precisely, the only possibly way this information could have been placed there is by a Being of exceeding Wisdom and Knowledge.

The more One digs, the more One finds... all without a single contradiction or mistake.

The odds of something like this happening by coincidence is pretty much zero.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

The Four Living Creatures represent the Four Forces of Nature...

Physicists call them 'Force Carriers'.

The Bible calls them the same thing.

They are the Four Forces that 'carry' God's Chariot...

When One compares these Creatures to verses, One finds that the verses describe the Force as well as the Creature.

For example, the Ox is the Strong Force in Quantum Physics.

Proverbs 14:4
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox"

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

What Ezekiel saw in his vision of the Wheels was the Godhead.

As shown earlier, the Godhead is the generic construct of the Atom...

Thus, the vision of Ezekiel's Wheels goes into great detail on the inner workings of the Atom.

For example, 'Eyes round About' are Electrons...

Now go back and look at the Standard Model chart and see that the Beryl matches with the Electron.

Electrons produce Electricity...

Ezekiel 1:14
"And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning"

What color was the Electrons and Lightning?

Beryl...

Ezekiel 1:16
"The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel"

Now if One compares the Electron Eyes to the Godhead Atomic Model, One finds that the Eyes represent the Holy Ghost.

Thus Eyes are also Wisdom...

Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light"

Light is Electromagnetism.

It is the 'Ghost' or Electricity that keeps our machines (bodies) running.

Thus, when One dies, they 'give up the ghost'...

Luke 23:46
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost"

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

Armed with these Revelations, many mysterious and cryptic verses of the Bible can now be deciphered.

Take for example this one...

Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day"

Since Eyes = Electrons, we know that this Stone or Element contains Seven Electrons.

This would be the Chemical Element Nitrogen.

If we look at the entire context of the passage, we see that there will be an Engraving on said stone.

Thus, this would most likely be a Nitrogenous Base or Nucleobase of DNA.

A new 'engraving' is a new Gene Sequence along with perhaps new Nucleobases not seen yet.

Can we confirm this?

Yep... Jesus is the Word of God. DNA is the Word of God, thus Jesus as the Lamb represents a Nitrogenous Base with Seven Eyes...

We are saved by the Blood or DNA/Gene Sequence of the Lamb.

The Stone with Seven Electrons.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

As I said earlier, there is much to cover, so I'll just post this here for future reference...

And just like with the Godhead/Atom, Scripture gives many intimate details without missing a Jot or Tittle...

Godistruth1 · Sep 2, 2018

Uncle Mikey said:
What Ezekiel saw in his vision of the Wheels was the Godhead.

As shown earlier, the Godhead is the generic construct of the Atom...

Thus, the vision of Ezekiel's Wheels goes into great detail on the inner workings of the Atom.

For example, 'Eyes round About' are Electrons...

Now go back and look at the Standard Model chart and see that the Beryl matches with the Electron.

Electrons produce Electricity...

Ezekiel 1:14
"And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning"

What color was the Electrons and Lightning?

Beryl...

Ezekiel 1:16
"The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel"

Now if One compares the Electron Eyes to the Godhead Atomic Model, One finds that the Eyes represent the Holy Ghost.

Thus Eyes are also Wisdom...

Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light"

Light is Electromagnetism.

It is the 'Ghost' or Electricity that keeps our machines (bodies) running.

Thus, when One dies, they 'give up the ghost'...

Luke 23:46
"And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost"

What happens if u take out any one element say neutron from atom or son from Trinity! What happens then?

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
What happens if u take out any one element say neutron from atom or son from Trinity! What happens then?

Hydrogen contains one Electron and one Proton.

Think of it as Jesus being separated from the Father.

Note that the Godhead is simply the Generic Construct.

Scripture makes it clear that the Godhead is not to be compared to any one specific Element such as the Silver Atom or Gold Atom...

Acts 17:29
"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device"

Note that it is impossible to draw an Atom, thus there is no way One could draw the Godhead and have it match exactly.

We can make illustrations for teaching purposes obviously, but it will never be an exact duplicate.

Uncle Mikey · Sep 2, 2018

BTW...

The Neutron (Father) is the only Subatomic Particle that can begat a Son or Proton.

It's called Beta Decay.

John 3:16 describes this process...

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

Godistruth1 · Sep 2, 2018

Uncle Mikey said:
Hydrogen contains one Electron and one Proton.

Think of it as Jesus being separated from the Father.

Note that the Godhead is simply the Generic Construct.

Scripture makes it clear that the Godhead is not to be compared to any one specific Element such as the Silver Atom or Gold Atom...

Acts 17:29
"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device"

Note that it is impossible to draw an Atom, thus there is no way One could draw the Godhead and have it match exactly.

We can make illustrations for teaching purposes obviously, but it will never be an exact duplicate.

Does that mean u can be wrong also in ur illustration of Trinity?

cvanwey · Sep 2, 2018

Uncle Mikey said:
There is much to cover, so I'll do my best to keep it simple.

What we are looking at is the sum result of Mankind's efforts to understand the Universe.

What they have discovered is that everything we see is made of only Twelve Particles of Matter and Four Forces of Nature.

It's called the Standard Model of Particle Physics...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model

When One compares the Standard Model to Scripture, something amazing happens.

It all matches perfectly.

In fact... it matches so precisely, the only possibly way this information could have been placed there is by a Being of exceeding Wisdom and Knowledge.

The more One digs, the more One finds... all without a single contradiction or mistake.

The odds of something like this happening by coincidence is pretty much zero.

Or, one could instead be painting a bullseye around the dart, which is already in the wall

I've spoke to other opposing religious believers, whom profess the exact same conclusions, (for their holy scriptures and creation). It's easy to make things fit, when you already presuppose it is true.

Heck, I remember when '911' happened, many intelligent adults were arguing how Nostradamus successfully predicted such an event. Heck, I remember when I believed Santa Claus was still real, but would observe many attributes, which seemed to not quite fall in line with the original story I was fed. It's easy to employ ex post facto justification, for any still believed holy texts quite frankly.

joinfree · Sep 2, 2018

Godistruth1 said:
Can we comprehend the understanding of trinity through logic or faith alone?

Tell a paradox then.

Theo102 · Oct 2, 2018

The doctrine of the Trinity was Christianity's attempt to force-fit monotheism into Elohism. There are many reasons why it's not a good theological description of deity, one of these is that there's no person of the trinity that has a female physical form as would be implied by Genesis 1:26-27.

Ken Rank · Oct 2, 2018

Theo102 said:
The doctrine of the Trinity was Christianity's attempt to force-fit monotheism into Elohism. There are many reasons why it's not a good theological description of deity, one of these is that there's no person of the trinity that has a female physical form as would be implied by Genesis 1:26-27.

Whatever you believe is between you and God. But I can't read your post, see how you indict a bunch of people with no evidence outside of your own bias, and not offer this....

Educate yourself.... take the time and study before making claims that are, well, ridiculous. Here is a book that is not an easy read.... but it is the single best book that traces the development of this doctrine that has ever been written. You really should have more facts before drawing conclusions especially when those conclusions indict people who have gone before us.

Would love to hear your review of this book... in fact, would pay to read your review!

Theo102 · Oct 2, 2018

Ken Rank said:
But I can't read your post, see how you indict a bunch of people with no evidence outside of your own bias, and not offer this....

Evidence for indictment: the tripartate baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 is an outlier, later references to baptism are only in a single name. The formula is also absent from the Shem Tob.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19

What facts from your book are relevant to this?

Ken Rank · Oct 2, 2018

Theo102 said:
Evidence for indictment: the tripartate baptismal formula of Matthew 28:19 is an outlier, later references to baptism are only in a single name. The formula is also absent from the Shem Tob.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19

What facts from your book are relevant to this?

I am not going to waste any time on somebody who repeats talking points and hasn't really studied the topic. You think you have, but you haven't and any further discussion will do nothing but divide.

By the way, it's Shem Tov... and it is only a few hundred years old, and it comes from a Jewish mystic who didn't even believe Yeshua was messiah. Don't be a parrot Theo, do some research for yourself.

Theo102 · Oct 2, 2018

Ken Rank said:
I am not going to waste any time on somebody who repeats talking points and hasn't really studied the topic.

What's the difference between a talking point and a valid point that you can't refute?

Ken Rank · Oct 2, 2018

Theo102 said:
What's the difference between a talking point and a valid point that you can't refute?

I can refute it... but all you have done is repeated somebody else's error. Don't be a parrot, study and come to your own conclusions. I have given you a book that will explain more than just the progression of the trinity doctrine (which I haven't said I do or don't even agree with so don't make assumptions) and you just want to argue. I told you, I would PAY YOU for your review of that book... if you actually read it though I am starting to think you'll just look around for a Cliff Note version somewhere.

Look, I have nothing to say to you. You have made accusations against people, some of what you have stated is blatantly false and historically provable to be false and you come back wanting me to refute a sound bite you stole out of somebody else's book or article? I have better things to do, sorry.

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