Why didn't Jews circumscice people in the wilderness?

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"under 20 years old" at the time they left Egypt.

They could be 60 years old by the time they entered the Promised Land.
I think that they were under 20 at this time.....
Num 14:29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,
Num 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
Num 14:31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.

How long were they in the wilderness before they began complaining against the Lord? It must have been over a year because they were still celebrating the Passover a year after they left Egypt.
 
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So absolutely no one else other than white men cut down the all the trees that have been cut down since the 1800s? I would like to see categorical proof that coloured people (ie non white) have not cut down trees in the past 200 years, please.
You seem to be reverse-discriminatory, and not aware of the last 200 years (or more) history in the USA and worldwide.

btw: I'm "all american" white , growing up was told nothing bad about the white power in politics , finance, education, and so on.... (just like the massive cover ups practiced all along in churches of all persuasions)

Gradually, all that became known as the whole country was tossed and turned by the minorities claiming discrimination against them ..... (both potentially true and false, rightly (good motives) and wrongly (selfish motives) on all sides)...

If you still believe "white man" did good the last 200 years for all the blameless people wrongly displaced and murdered on massive scales, animals and wilderness and livelihoods destroyed by the powers that were in place....
then you are still unaware of the facts of history as made known openly the last several decades.
 
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I think that they were under 20 at this time.....
Num 14:29 Your carcases shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me,
Num 14:30 Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I sware to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun.
Num 14:31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised.
Num 14:32 But as for you, your carcases, they shall fall in this wilderness.

How long were they in the wilderness before they began complaining against the Lord? It must have been over a year because they were still celebrating the Passover a year after they left Egypt.
Under 20 at what time do you think ?
 
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You seem to be reverse-discriminatory, and not aware of the last 200 years (or more) history in the USA and worldwide.

btw: I'm "all american" white , growing up was told nothing bad about the white power in politics , finance, education, and so on.... (just like the massive cover ups practiced all along in churches of all persuasions)

Gradually, all that became known as the whole country was tossed and turned by the minorities claiming discrimination against them ..... (both potentially true and false, rightly (good motives) and wrongly (selfish motives) on all sides)...

If you still believe "white man" did good the last 200 years for all the blameless people wrongly displaced and murdered on massive scales, animals and wilderness and livelihoods destroyed by the powers that were in place....
then you are still unaware of the facts of history as made known openly the last several decades.

What?????? I was addressing your claim that only white men had cut down all the trees in the past 200 years. Your response mentions nothing whatsoever about trees and white men cutting them down!
 
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Numbers 9:1-5
1 A year after Israel’s departure from Egypt, the LORD spoke to Moses in the wilderness of Sinai. In the first month of that year He said,
2 “Tell the Israelites to celebrate the Passover at the prescribed time,
3 at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. Be sure to follow all My decrees and regulations concerning this celebration.”
4 So Moses told the people to celebrate the Passover
5 in the wilderness of Sinai as twilight fell on the fourteenth day of the month. And they celebrated the festival there, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.
Wouldn't those old enough to eat the Passover have been circumcised before they ate it in Egypt? But those born in the wilderness were not circumcised therefore they couldn't eat it?

Exo 12:47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
Exo 12:48 And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
 
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Under 20 at what time do you think ?
I not sure when that happened that is why I asked you.
How long were they in the wilderness before they began complaining against the Lord?
 
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How long were they in the wilderness before they began complaining against the Lord?
From day one I believe. They complained even before they had reached the wilderness. It seems only two times did they really stop complaining, when rescued through the sea, and when given the law. Both were miraculous, both exhibited the presence of God. So it seems they continually needed a sign. Faith had not yet taken root.
 
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Surely none of the men who came up from Egypt,
from twenty years old and above,
shall see the land of which I swore to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because they have not wholly followed Me, except Caleb…and Joshua…for they have wholly followed the LORD. (Numbers 32:11-12)
 
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From day one I believe. They complained even before they had reached the wilderness. It seems only two times did they really stop complaining, when rescued through the sea, and when given the law. Both were miraculous, both exhibited the presence of God. So it seems they continually needed a sign. Faith had not yet taken root.
A cloud, a pillar of fire, manna, water from the rock....they were truly misinformed about what was miraculous.
This in Numbers 14 seemed to stretch the Yehovah's patience too far.
 
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A cloud, a pillar of fire, manna, water from the rock....they were truly misinformed about what was miraculous.
This in Numbers 14 seemed to stretch the Yehovah's patience too far.
44 Nevertheless, in their presumption they went up toward the highest point in the hill country, though neither Moses nor the ark of the LORD’s covenant moved from the camp.​

Why do you think this is?

They went, even though Moses and God did not move from the camp. What blinds them? Especially after this:

20 The LORD replied, “I have forgiven them, as you asked.​

Is it this?

24 But because my servant Caleb has a different spirit and follows me wholeheartedly, I will bring him into the land he went to, and his descendants will inherit it.
A dreadful day indeed. Israel, although forgiven, has all those who spied the land killed by plague except Joshua. Then when they hear this they still decide to go into the promised land even though God did not command it, nor was he following them into it. What was possessing them to continue the madness? Did they not just see what happened to those who rebelled against God? It seem's there is a spirit that blinds them to their sins, no? Using even the commands of God against them.
 
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Maybe, many have just been lost to agriculture over time. Selective breeding and natural human choice have made certain fruits more productive and larger than their native counterparts. As such we loose the original, but gain a "better" fruit over time. Oranges, apples, grapes, etc. are all examples of fruits that are vastly different than the original wild variety.
Right. Remember that all of our grains, corn, wheat, barley, rye, etc., were just grass seeds before human beings started selecting the largest and best seeds to plant for the next season.
 
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A dreadful day indeed. Israel, although forgiven, has all those who spied the land killed by plague except Joshua. Then when they hear this they still decide to go into the promised land even though God did not command it, nor was he following them into it. What was possessing them to continue the madness? Did they not just see what happened to those who rebelled against God? It seems there is a spirit that blinds them to their sins, no? Using even the commands of God against them.
We're startled by their ignorance, especially because of the signs that they have been given, but me having the Holy Spirit for guidance, at least I believe I do, and God's written word still often startle myself at my ignorance.

But I think you must be alluding to something in particular. Are you going to share, please?
 
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Wouldn't those old enough to eat the Passover have been circumcised before they ate it in Egypt?
Yes. That's how Pharaoh's daughter knew Moses was an Israelite because baby boys were circumcised.
But those born in the wilderness were not circumcised therefore they couldn't eat it?
So, of the 11-12 month old baby boys that weren't circumcised wouldn't they still be suckling their mothers breasts? :)

So, apparently there were stiil enough lambs with the Israelites after being in the desert of Sinai one year after the first Passover in Egypt. However, there is no indication that the Israelites celebrated Passover the next year or years thereafter until they entered the Promised Land. So, where do you suppose they acquired the lambs for the first Passover they celebrated in the Promised Land flowing with milk and honey ... Right!

However, there was a second Passover a month later in the Sinai desert (Numbers 9:6-8 ...

9 Then the Lord said to Moses, 10 “Tell the Israelites: ‘When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they are still to celebrate the Lord’s Passover, 11 but they are to do it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.​
 
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Yes. That's how Pharaoh's daughter knew Moses was an Israelite because baby boys were circumcised.
So, of the 11-12 month old baby boys that weren't circumcised wouldn't they still be suckling their mothers breasts? :)

So, apparently there were stiil enough lambs with the Israelites after being in the desert of Sinai one year after the first Passover in Egypt. However, there is no indication that the Israelites celebrated Passover the next year or years thereafter until they entered the Promised Land. So, where do you suppose they acquired the lambs for the first Passover they celebrated in the Promised Land flowing with milk and honey ... Right!

However, there was a second Passover a month later in the Sinai desert (Numbers 9:6-8 ...

9 Then the Lord said to Moses, 10 “Tell the Israelites: ‘When any of you or your descendants are unclean because of a dead body or are away on a journey, they are still to celebrate the Lord’s Passover, 11 but they are to do it on the fourteenth day of the second month at twilight. They are to eat the lamb, together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.​
They left Egypt with flocks and everything else they needed as well as riches. Exodus 12:31-36
Exo 12:32 Also take your flocks and your herds, as ye have said, and be gone; and bless me also.
 
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