Question about the sixth hour in NT

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 18, 2018

What time of the day is the 6th hour in the NT?

6 am, 12pm(noon), 6pm 12:am(midnight) or other.

I would think it would be during the day, since the land became dark at that hour.
I appreciate any help on this. Thanks

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"sixth hour": exact matches 6 times, inexact times 1 [Matt 20:5]

NKJV)
Mat 20:5
“Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 27:45
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.
Mar 15:33
Now when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Luk 23:44
Now it was[fn] about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Jhn 4:6
Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well.
It was about the sixth hour.
Jhn 19:14
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
Act 10:9
The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city,
Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.

brinny · Jun 18, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
What time of the day is the 6th hour in the NT?

6 am, 12pm(noon), 6pm 12:am(midnight) or other.

I would think it would be during the day, since the land became dark at that hour.
I appreciate any help on this. Thanks

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"sixth hour": exact matches 6 times, inexact times 1 [Matt 20:5]

NKJV)
Mat 20:5
“Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 27:45
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.
Mar 15:33
Now when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Luk 23:44
Now it was[fn] about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Jhn 4:6
Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well.
It was about the sixth hour.
Jhn 19:14
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
Act 10:9
The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city,
Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.

That's some good reasoning. I've never understood the Bible timelines.

:swoon:

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 18, 2018

brinny said:
That's some good reasoning. I've never understood the Bible timelines.

I am going to go out on a limb here and put 12pm noon :prayer:

brinny · Jun 18, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
I am going to go out on a limb here and put 12pm noon

Ok, i'm intrigued.

Why?

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 18, 2018

brinny said:
Ok, i'm intrigued.
Why?

Did ya really have to ask that ^_^

"The land became dark at the 6th hour and remained dark till the 9th hour.",
I don't believe midnight to 3 am would work, as it is generally dark between those hours anyway.
6 to 9 am can work, as can noon-3 pm and maybe 6-9 pm.
I am going to do more research.

brinny · Jun 18, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
Did ya really have to ask that

"The land became dark at the 6th hour and remained dark till the 9th hour.",
I don't believe midnight to 3 am would work, as it is generally dark between those hours anyway.
6 to 9 am can work, as can noon-3 pm and maybe 6-9 pm.
I am going to do more research.

Hmmmmm......interesting......

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 18, 2018

Joel 8 is interesting. Sounds a lot like the 6th hour may be noon if this a prophecy concerning the event at the crucifixion

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"noon" occurs 13 times in 13 verses

Amo 8:9
“And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD,
“That I will make the sun go down at noon,
And I will darken the land in broad daylight;

Strong's Number H6672 matches the Hebrew צֹהַר (tsohar),
which occurs 24 times in 24 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV

6672 tsohar tso'-har from 6671; a light (i.e. window): dual double light, i.e. noon:--midday, noon(-day, -tide), window.
Strong's Number H6672 matches the Hebrew צֹהַר (tsohar), which occurs 24 times in 24 verses in the Hebrew concordance of the KJV

paul1149 · Jun 18, 2018

I'm surprised to see so much support for 6pm among the commentators. But I like how Lange breaks it down. (And similar reasoning applies to Jn 19.14)

About the sixth hour.—According to the Jewish reckoning, noon. Meyer: “Never to be forgotten by John.”
[The hour is probably also mentioned to bring more vividly to our mind the weariness of our Saviour at the heat of the midday sun, the burden and toil He suffered for us at the very moment He opened a fountain of refreshment to this poor thirsty woman and to us all. On the dates of John, see note on Joh 1:39, p. 92 f. There are additional reasons for assuming that he reckoned here in the Jewish manner from sunrise to sunset. Otherwise he would have noted whether it was six in the morning (as Rettig assumes), or six in the evening (as Ebrard and Wordsworth hold). The former is too early to account for the fatigue of the Lord, the latter leaves no time for what follows, as the night sets in with little or no intervening twilight in Eastern countries. The conversation must have lasted at least half an hour, then the woman goes away to the city, tells her experience to the men, and they come to the well of Jacob; and yet after all this it must have been still daylight, to account for the words of Jesus: “Lift up your eyes and look on the fields” (Joh 4:35). Considering the oriental contempt for woman and the prejudice even of the disciples (Joh 4:27), a conversation with a woman late in the evening would have been even more unseemly than at noon-day. The fact that the woman was alone sufficiently explains that she came so early to draw water, instead of the evening as usual. The time of the year—it was at the end of December—permitted travelling till towards noon. Porter, in his excellent Handbook for Travellers in Syria and Palestine, ii. p. 341, takes the same view. “Christ probably came up the plain of Mukhna, and about noon reached the well.” So also Macduff, p. 36.—P. S.]

Bible Highlighter · Jun 18, 2018

Is the KJV wrong for having two different events happening for Jesus on the sixth hour? John 19:14 says the sixth hour is when Pilate mocks Jesus before a crowd. Yet, on the sixth hour, Scripture says darkness came upon the land. So is this a contradiction? No. This is not a contradiction. There are two different clocks here. Christ’s clock or hours; And the normal reckoning of hours within a calendar day.

#1. Christ’s 1st hour. This the 1st hour of when Christ is betrayed into the hands of sinners (Christ’s 1st hour: See Matthew 26:45). This is Christ’s hour because Christ’s says elsewhere, “My hour has not yet come.” (John 2:4).

#2. Early the next morning, Jesus is judged by Pilate (a Roman) early in the morning.

#3. Jesus is then whipped and mocked.

#4. Christ’s 6th hour. This is after six hours have past from the previous night of the 1st hour of when Jesus was betrayed into the hands of sinners (Matthew 26:45): Pilate sets Jesus before a Jewish audience and says to them, “Behold your king!” (Christ’s 6th hour: See John 19:14).

#5. Then at 9:00AM (3rd hour of the Day): Jesus is crucified.

#6. Darkness within the sky comes upon the land at 12:00PM (6th hour of the Day).

#7. Then at 3:00PM (9th hour of the Day) Jesus dies and He becomes our Passover Lamb, Christ is sacrificed for us (man).

Radagast · Jun 18, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
What time of the day is the 6th hour in the NT?

There were different systems. It's not necessarily the same in every passage.

In Luke 23:44, there is a consensus that "the 6th hour" means noon.

dysert · Jun 19, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
What time of the day is the 6th hour in the NT?

6 am, 12pm(noon), 6pm 12:am(midnight) or other.

I would think it would be during the day, since the land became dark at that hour.
I appreciate any help on this. Thanks

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"sixth hour": exact matches 6 times, inexact times 1 [Matt 20:5]

NKJV)
Mat 20:5
“Again he went out about the sixth and the ninth hour, and did likewise.
Mat 27:45
Now from the sixth hour until the ninth hour there was darkness over all the land.
Mar 15:33
Now when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Luk 23:44
Now it was[fn] about the sixth hour, and there was darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Jhn 4:6
Now Jacob's well was there. Jesus therefore, being wearied from His journey, sat thus by the well.
It was about the sixth hour.
Jhn 19:14
Now it was the Preparation Day of the Passover, and about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, “Behold your King!”
Act 10:9
The next day, as they went on their journey and drew near the city,
Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour.

There were two sets of hours, i.e., there was a "sixth hour" that occurred in the morning, and a "sixth hour" that occurred in the evening. Besides that, John was writing to the Romans and used Roman time, whereas the earlier writers used Jewish time. When you put it all together, in John's passages, the sixth hour is just 6:00 (a.m. or p.m. - the context determines which). In all of the other NT passages, you need to add six hours to come up with the actual time. So, for example, in Acts 10:9 Peter went up to pray about noon (again, the context decides whether it was a.m. or p.m.).

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 19, 2018

Thank you for your replies

Midnight is also mentioned in the Bible.
I will just post a few of the verses:

Genesis 1:1 (NKJV)
"midnight" occurs 12 times in 11 verses in the NKJV

Exodus 11:4
Then Moses said, “Thus says the LORD: ‘About midnight I will go out into the midst of Egypt; [Matt 25:6?]
5 ‘and all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die.......................

Psalm 119:62
At midnight I will rise to give thanks to You,
Because of Your righteous judgments.

2676 chatsowth khaw-tsoth' from 2673; the middle (of the night):--mid(-night).
3915 layil lah'-yil or (Isa. 21:11) leyl {lale}; also laylah {lah'- yel-aw}; from the same as 3883; properly, a twist (away of the light), i.e. night; figuratively, adversity:--((mid-))night (season).

Interesting that in this story of the 10 virgins in Matt 25:6, the bridegroom comes at midnight.
[In Exodus 11:4, the final plague went out on Egypt at midnight, the Passover].
Not sure if there is a connection or not. Would make for a good study.

Matt 25:6
“But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Behold! the bridegroom!
Come out to meet him.’

Mark 13:35
“Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning—

3319. mesos mes'-os from 3326; middle (as an adjective or (neuter) noun):--among, X before them, between, + forth, mid(-day, -night), midst, way
3571. nux noox a primary word; "night" (literally or figuratively):-- (mid-)night.

Knee V · Jun 19, 2018

It is midday/noon. Catholics, Orthodox, and probably a few others still have daily prayers organized according to the "hour" (the prayers of the hours): 1st hour, 3rd hour, 6th hour and 9th hour prayers, at around 6am, 9am, 12pm and 3pm respectively.

As a sidenote, the word "noon" comes from the word "nine". While the 9th Hour is around 3pm, for whatever reason the English Church began doing the 9th Hour prayers at midday when they would normally be doing the 6th Hour prayers. Midday thus became associated with the 9th Hour, and now we call that time of day by an alternate pronunciation of the word "nine".

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 20, 2018

paul1149 said:
I'm surprised to see so much support for 6pm among the commentators. But I like how Lange breaks it down. (And similar reasoning applies to Jn 19.14)

About the sixth hour.—According to the Jewish reckoning, noon. Meyer: “Never to be forgotten by John.”
[The hour is probably also mentioned to bring more vividly to our mind the weariness of our Saviour at the heat of the midday sun, the burden and toil He suffered for us at the very moment He opened a fountain of refreshment to this poor thirsty woman and to us all. On the dates of John, see note on Joh 1:39, p. 92 f. There are additional reasons for assuming that he reckoned here in the Jewish manner from sunrise to sunset. Otherwise he would have noted whether it was six in the morning (as Rettig assumes), or six in the evening (as Ebrard and Wordsworth hold). The former is too early to account for the fatigue of the Lord, the latter leaves no time for what follows, as the night sets in with little or no intervening twilight in Eastern countries. The conversation must have lasted at least half an hour, then the woman goes away to the city, tells her experience to the men, and they come to the well of Jacob; and yet after all this it must have been still daylight, to account for the words of Jesus: “Lift up your eyes and look on the fields” (Joh 4:35). Considering the oriental contempt for woman and the prejudice even of the disciples (Joh 4:27), a conversation with a woman late in the evening would have been even more unseemly than at noon-day. The fact that the woman was alone sufficiently explains that she came so early to draw water, instead of the evening as usual. The time of the year—it was at the end of December—permitted travelling till towards noon. Porter, in his excellent Handbook for Travellers in Syria and Palestine, ii. p. 341, takes the same view. “Christ probably came up the plain of Mukhna, and about noon reached the well.” So also Macduff, p. 36.—P. S.]

Good post and thanks. So far the major consensus is noon.
As for the woman at the well, except for Luke 4:5, "well" is only mentioned 2 times in John and 4 times in Revelation.
I will have to ponder on this, as there must be a connection somehow?

John 4:
6 Was yet there a spring of Jacob. hen Jesus having wearied out of the journey, seated thus on the well/ fount/phgh <4077>. Hour was being sixth.
11 She saith unto him--Lord! not even a bucket, hast thou,--and the well/frear <5421> is deep:--Whence then hast thou the living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob who gave us the well/frear <5421>,--and himself out of it drank, and his sons, and his flocks?

Reve 9:
1 And the Fifth messenger sounds [a trumpet], and I perceive a Star out of the heaven, having fallen into/to the land ,
and was given to him the key of the well/freatoV <5421> of the Abyss/abussou <12>,
2 And he opens up the well/freatoV <5421>of the abyss
and there arose a smoke out of the well//freatoV <5421>, as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the well//freatoV <5421>.

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 20, 2018

Jason0047 said:
Is the KJV wrong for having two different events happening for Jesus on the sixth hour?
John 19:14 says the sixth hour is when Pilate mocks Jesus before a crowd. Yet, on the sixth hour, Scripture says darkness came upon the land. So is this a contradiction? No. This is not a contradiction. There are two different clocks here. Christ’s clock or hours; And the normal reckoning of hours within a calendar day.

#1. Christ’s 1st hour. This the 1st hour of when Christ is betrayed into the hands of sinners (Christ’s 1st hour: See Matthew 26:45). This is Christ’s hour because Christ’s says elsewhere, “My hour has not yet come.” (John 2:4).

#2. Early the next morning, Jesus is judged by Pilate (a Roman) early in the morning.

#3. Jesus is then whipped and mocked........................

#4. Christ’s 6th hour. This is after six hours have past from the previous night of the 1st hour of when Jesus was betrayed into the hands of sinners (Matthew 26:45): Pilate sets Jesus before a Jewish audience and says to them, “Behold your king!” (Christ’s 6th hour: See John 19:14).

#5. Then at 9:00AM (3rd hour of the Day): Jesus is crucified.

#6. Darkness within the sky comes upon the land at 12:00PM (6th hour of the Day).

#7. Then at 3:00PM (9th hour of the Day) Jesus dies and He becomes our Passover Lamb, Christ is sacrificed for us (man).

I wasn't aware there was a contradition concerning that. Interesting.
If you say Christ was crucified at the 9th hour [9am?] Not the time it took for Jesus to walk the place of crucifixion, so the trial must have lasted less than 3 hours depending how early in the morning it was?
Our morning is any time between midnight and noon so could it have been that way also back then?

Matt 27:
1 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people conspired against Jesus to put Him to death. 2 They bound Him, led Him away, and handed Him over to Pilate the governor.

Mark 15:1
Early in the morning, the chief priests, elders, scribes, and the whole Sanhedrin devised a plan.
They bound Jesus, led Him away, and handed Him over to Pilate.

John 18:28
Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning.
But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

Bible Highlighter · Jun 20, 2018

LittleLambofJesus said:
I wasn't aware there was a contradition concerning that. Interesting.
If you say Christ was crucified at the 9th hour [9am?] Not the time it took for Jesus to walk the place of crucifixion, so the trial must have lasted less than 3 hours depending how early in the morning it was?
Our morning is any time between midnight and noon so could it have been that way also back then?

Matt 27:
1 When morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people conspired against Jesus to put Him to death. 2 They bound Him, led Him away, and handed Him over to Pilate the governor.

Mark 15:1
Early in the morning, the chief priests, elders, scribes, and the whole Sanhedrin devised a plan.
They bound Jesus, led Him away, and handed Him over to Pilate.

John 18:28
Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning.
But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

They counted 12 hours of daylight in Bible times (Note: The night time was counted differently). Jesus says,

"Are there not twelve hours in the day?" (John 11:9).

12:00 in the afternoon (the sun at the midpoint between sunrise and sunset) = the 6th hour. This was when Jesus was upon the cross and darkness came in the sky. Seeing that there is not perfectly 12 hours (60 minutes x 12) in a day through the year, the hours would have to be less and or more (depending on the amount of daylight available for that day). So whatever the amount of minutes of daylight there is, you would divide that by 12 and that would be how many minutes you would have for the hour of that day. In other words, the minutes within an hour for each day would be different.

Anyways, 9:00am would be called the third hour (i.e. the 3rd hour of daylight). Note: Again, this is not 60 minutes for an hour seeing the amount of time of daylight would fluctuate differently for each day.

The night time was broken up into what was called "watches." There were four watches recorded for night time in Scripture (See Matthew 14:25 and Mark 6:48).

So an entire day would look like this:

1st hour (of daylight). 1st hour of sunrise.
2nd hour (of daylight).
3rd hour (of daylight).
4th hour (of daylight).
5th hour (of daylight).
6th hour (of daylight). Mid day afternoon.
7th hour (of daylight).
8th hour (of daylight).
9th hour (of daylight).
10th hour (of daylight).
11th hour (of daylight).
12th hour (of daylight). Last hour before sunset.

1st Watch (of night).
2nd Watch (of night).
3rd Watch (of night).
4th Watch (of night).

Note: A calendar day was from sunset to sunset.
This is why Jews celebrate the Saturday Sabbath from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown.

Bible Highlighter · Jun 21, 2018

I don't buy the Roman theory in regards to resolving the issue of the 6th hour. Nowhere does Scripture hint at Roman time telling. The issue is easily resolved by realizing that the 6th hour (afternoon) when Jesus was on the cross (when they sky got dark) was reckoning time by a calendar day, and the 6th hour when Jesus was mocked before a crowd was counting from a different clock that began when Christ was betrayed. In other words, 6 hours had passed since his betrayal up until the time he was mocked before a crowd. So there are two 6th hours. One was based upon the standard clock (of that time) and the other was based upon the clock of when Christ was betrayed.

LittleLambofJesus · Jun 22, 2018

Radagast said:
There were different systems. It's not necessarily the same in every passage.

In Luke 23:44, there is a consensus that "the 6th hour" means noon.

Thank you.

44 And it was now about the sixth hour, and a darkness came over the whole land until the ninth hour,

Question about the sixth hour in NT

What time of the day is the 6th hour in the NT

6 am

12 pm (noon)

6 pm

12 am (midnight)

I don't know

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