Eternal Commandments: Not what you thought they might be!

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Most of the Christian world shouts that the sacrificial system has been done away with by the death of Jesus, yet these commandments all have to do with the sacrificial system and are 'forever' commandments. How can both be true?
How many of those verses speak throughout your generations?
Are their generations forever?
 
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I think you need to go back to the beginning and think this through again, beginning with the fact that the Levitical Priesthood and the Priesthood after the order of Melchizedek existed and still exist simultaneously.
The Levitical priesthood has not existed for 2000 years. The priesthood of Melchizedek was not simultaneous to Isreal under the Levitical order.
 
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Fulfilled does not mean finished. Fullfilled means done perfectly, and in Yeshua example so that we may also walk in His footsteps and walk in them perfectly under the influence and enpowerment of the Holy Spirit.
Doesn't perfectly mean it no longer needs to be repeated?
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
 
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The Levitical priesthood has not existed for 2000 years. The priesthood of Melchizedek was not simultaneous to Isreal under the Levitical order.
Kohanim (Levitical priesthood) know exactly who they are. They give the priestly blessing on Yom Kippur for example. When sacrifices resume on the foundation of the temple mount as was done by Ezra, and when the third temple is rebuilt, you will see how the Kohanim never ended.
 
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Kohanim (Levitical priesthood) know exactly who they are. They give the priestly blessing on Yom Kippur for example. When sacrifices resume on the foundation of the temple mount as was done by Ezra, and when the third temple is rebuilt, you will see how the Kohanim never ended.
Concerning eating of the sacrifices in Ezras day. This was the case after only 70 years.
Ezr 2:63 And the Tirshatha said unto them, that they should not eat of the most holy things, till there stood up a priest with Urim and with Thummim.
 
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Kohanim (Levitical priesthood) know exactly who they are. They give the priestly blessing on Yom Kippur for example. When sacrifices resume on the foundation of the temple mount as was done by Ezra, and when the third temple is rebuilt, you will see how the Kohanim never ended.
You're talking about Kohanim (Levitical priesthood) who still reject Yeshua as Israel's future KING of Kings and LORD of Lords and future High Priest. Today's so-called Kohanim fail to grasp the true significance of Jeremiah 31:31-34, and reject the B'rit Chadashah as scripture inspired by Adonai Eloheinu, such as the Book of Hebrews ...

Hebrews 7:11-13
11 If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood—and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood—why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?
12 For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
13 He of whom these things are said belonged to a different tribe, and no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar.​

A third Temple will exist during the Great Tribulation. Daniel refers to this temple when he says that “the prince who is to come” (the Antichrist) will enter it and stop the sacrifices in the middle of the Tribulation (Daniel 9:27). Paul refers to it in 2nd Thessalonians ...

2 Thessalonians 2:3-5
3 Let no one deceive you in any way, for it will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness (the son of destruction) is revealed
4 He will oppose and exalt himself above every so-called god or object of worship. So he will seat himself in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
5 Do you not remember that I told you these things while I was still with you?…​

Currently, there is no desire among the majority of the Jewish people and their leaders to build a third temple. The average Israeli citizen is for the most part secular. The government leaders position is that any attempt to build a third temple on the Temple Mount would result in immediate retaliation by their pro-terrorist Muslim neighbors. Only a minority of ultra-Orthodox Jews have a passion for The Third Temple, but they have no popular support. Something will have to happen to create a surge of nationalistic religious pride that will desire/demand a third Temple.

However, this third Temple will be destroyed at the Second Coming of Adonai. The great earthquake at that time will radically change the topography of Jerusalem and all the earth (Revelation 6:12-17). In Jerusalem it will result in the provision of a very large level area where the Millennial Temple will be constructed. This is the temple from which Adonai will reign over all the earth. It is described in detail in Ezekiel 40-46.
 
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Passover/Unleavened Bread Exodus 12:14-20
Aaron and sons to tend the Menorah Exodus 27:20, 21

Aaron and sons to wear priestly garments Exodus 28:43

Aaron and sons to eat the heave offering Exodus 29:28

The continual burnt offering Exodus 29:42

Aaron and sons to burn incense Exodus 30:8

Aaron and sons to apply blood to altar horns Exodus 30:10

Aaron and sons to wash their hands and feet when ministering Exodus 30:19-21

Israel to observe the Sabbath Exodus 31:13, 16, 17

Aaron and sons to eat the trespass offering Leviticus 6:18

Aaron and sons to present meal offering upon anointing Leviticus 6:22

Priests not to drink wine when serving in Temple Leviticus 10:9

Israel to afflict their souls and rest on the Day of Atonement Leviticus 16:29

Israel to offer sacrifices only at the Temple Leviticus 17:5-7

Israel to observe Firstfruits Leviticus 23:12-14

Israel to observe Pentecost Leviticus 23:21

Israel to observe the Day of Atonement Leviticus 23:28-31

Israel to observe Feast of Tabernacles Leviticus 23:39-41

Aaron and sons to blow the trumpets Numbers 10:7, 8

Rules of various offerings Numbers 15:3-15

Levites to perform the Temple services Numbers 18:20-23

Ceremony of the Red Heifer Numbers 19:1-10

Cities of refuge Numbers 35:29

Priesthood of Aaron and his sons Deuteronomy 18:5

Yes, quite amazing... reading Hebrews throws me for a loop. I think animal sacrifices will and should still have a place.
 
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Yes, quite amazing... reading Hebrews throws me for a loop. I think animal sacrifices will and should still have a place.

The confusion comes in thinking the animal sacrifices somehow made it possible for sinners to go to heaven when they died. That was NEVER their purpose. Their purpose was to allow sinners to enter the EARTHLY presence of God at the Temple.
 
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The confusion comes in thinking the animal sacrifices somehow made it possible for sinners to go to heaven when they died. That was NEVER their purpose. Their purpose was to allow sinners to enter the EARTHLY presence of God at the Temple.
I agree with the notion concerning going to heaven (the next life). However the people did not enter the presence themselves as they were not allowed into the temple. But it did provide for priestly representation before God. The common people were themselves estranged from God's house.
Nu 1:51 And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 3:10 And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest’s office: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 18:4 And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger <02114> shall not come nigh unto you.
Nu 18:7 Therefore thou and thy sons with thee shall keep your priest’s office for every thing of the altar, and within the vail; and ye shall serve: I have given your priest’s office unto you as a service of gift: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
02114 זור zuwr zoor
a primitive root; v; [BDB-266a, BDB-266b] {See TWOT on 541}
AV-stranger 45, strange 18, estranged 4, stranger + 0376 3, another 2, strange woman 2, gone away 1, fanners 1, another place 1; 77
1) to be strange, be a stranger
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to become estranged
1a2) strange, another, stranger, foreigner, an enemy (participle)
1a3) loathsome (of breath) (participle)
1a4) strange woman, prostitute, harlot (meton)
1b) (Niphal) to be estranged
1c) (Hophal) to be a stranger, be one alienated

the significance of this nuance concerns (Eph 2) the Messianic priesthood and sharing in the sacrifice of the priesthood. No zuwr could eat of the priestly meal either.
Le 22:10 There shall no stranger <02114> eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.
Le 22:12 If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger <02114>, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things.
Le 22:13 But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger <02114> eat thereof.
 
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I agree with the notion concerning going to heaven (the next life). However the people did not enter the presence themselves as they were not allowed into the temple. But it did provide for priestly representation before God. The common people were themselves estranged from God's house.
Nu 1:51 And when the tabernacle setteth forward, the Levites shall take it down: and when the tabernacle is to be pitched, the Levites shall set it up: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 3:10 And thou shalt appoint Aaron and his sons, and they shall wait on their priest’s office: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
Nu 18:4 And they shall be joined unto thee, and keep the charge of the tabernacle of the congregation, for all the service of the tabernacle: and a stranger <02114> shall not come nigh unto you.
Nu 18:7 Therefore thou and thy sons with thee shall keep your priest’s office for every thing of the altar, and within the vail; and ye shall serve: I have given your priest’s office unto you as a service of gift: and the stranger <02114> that cometh nigh shall be put to death.
02114 זור zuwr zoor
a primitive root; v; [BDB-266a, BDB-266b] {See TWOT on 541}
AV-stranger 45, strange 18, estranged 4, stranger + 0376 3, another 2, strange woman 2, gone away 1, fanners 1, another place 1; 77
1) to be strange, be a stranger
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to become estranged
1a2) strange, another, stranger, foreigner, an enemy (participle)
1a3) loathsome (of breath) (participle)
1a4) strange woman, prostitute, harlot (meton)
1b) (Niphal) to be estranged
1c) (Hophal) to be a stranger, be one alienated

the significance of this nuance concerns (Eph 2) the Messianic priesthood and sharing in the sacrifice of the priesthood. No guwr could eat of the priestly meal either.
Le 22:10 There shall no stranger <02114> eat of the holy thing: a sojourner of the priest, or an hired servant, shall not eat of the holy thing.
Le 22:12 If the priest’s daughter also be married unto a stranger <02114>, she may not eat of an offering of the holy things.
Le 22:13 But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger <02114> eat thereof.

They were not allowed in the Temple proper, but in the courtyards with respect to their gender and lineage.
 
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They were not allowed in the Temple proper, but in the courtyards with respect to their gender and lineage.
Right. but they were strangers as to the household of God. They were allowed into the courtyard only so far. The priests were their representative agents there.
 
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The confusion comes in thinking the animal sacrifices somehow made it possible for sinners to go to heaven when they died. That was NEVER their purpose. Their purpose was to allow sinners to enter the EARTHLY presence of God at the Temple.
I wish more people understood this, Steve. As it says in Exodus 25:8 "And let them make me a sanctuary; that I may dwell among them."

I've heard Christians respond with such comments as "Well, God is everywhere. God was ALREADY with them." To which I reply, sure, God is everywhere and is everywhere ignored. God knows our flaws as human beings, and one of them is that we need assistance coming into a sense of being in the presence of the sacred. This is why God set aside holy places (i.e. the temple), holy times (i.e. the Shabbat), holy things (i.e. the Ark of the Covenant), and holy people (i.e. the people of Israel, or the Ekklesia). Having a Temple assists us in connecting with Hashem in a special way, as would having the sacrifices. I would love to make a peace offering.
 
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