Has anyone already see Nephilim?

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There are no half breed angel/human progeny--never have been, never will be----"after it's kind" and that is it. We were created lower than the angels. God did not make angels to procreate---they are only male names attributed to them--God did not make mates for every living creature and then leave the angels with none--makes no sense and Jesus said angels do not marry and that means no sex for that is what marriage was made for. That Satan and his demons will do all sorts of lying wonders is true--they are lies.
2Co_11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Demons can only posses and appear as human, they can not become human. That is why they posses, because they can not be human. Yes---those that follow Satan claim him as their father, as we claim God as our Father.
 
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If you had memory loss, the images you are seeing could be anything including snippets from a book or some old tv show etc. Whether or no fallen angels had offspring wouldn't have a baring because everything was wiped out in the flood.

The giants in the land were probably just really big and beasty. But lets not downplay that. Before guns, being 5'9 and 170 lbs vs a tall 350 lb guy would be a very big deal.

If we do see giants, it will probably be because they keep messing with the DNA.
 
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There is nothing in the bible that says how tall Adam and Eve were and their children. The bible says there were giants in those days and afterwards---no reason to not think that back then, they were the giants compared to the bible writers. After all, they lived hundreds of years, no birth defects, good climate, food was not scarce no natural disasters, today Alaska grows giant vegetables---even the land back then was much more fertile--no reason to think God didn't make them magnificently tall also. It was after the flood when lifespan shortened, and then probably height also, with pockets here and there of the left over genetic tall gene--like the Massai.
 
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And the evidence is??? DNA--actual physical evidence and nit hearsay or doctored photos. "I heard" is not evidence.

Didn't you hear the word of God?

And through hearing, you believed?

Where is your proof for Christ - besides what you heard, feel, and believe? Let's not do the "evidence" thing when we both already have to jump in a huge vat of faith-based canonical texts to begin with.

I understand you are incredulous, but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgment. And, you shouldn't be ignorant of the many texts that were removed - allegedly because they weren't inspired - but more likely because the world wouldn't be able to handle the truth. You can start with the reasoning behind why the Patriarchy of Christ goes to Seth, then Adam - who was the Son of God.

Or, even better: why doesn't Cain's PATRIARCHY list Adam, but rather begins with Cain Himself?


I hope, in general, you find what you are looking for.
 
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There was a whole handful of Goliaths.
The last one David fought while up in years, one of his men finished the fight as a Second, then the men made David promise not to fight anymore.

The Goliaths, of course, were well after the flood, and whether they were descended from Nephilim, who can say.

Some people think Nephilim DNA was carried on after the flood by Ham's wife -- I don't know why they think that, but I have heard of it.

I think fallen angels (sons of God) interbreeded with humans (daughters of men) - it is the most obvious interpretation of the passage in Genesis 6.

If it was a mere matter of "Seth's line vs Cain's line" -- then why the unusual physical characteristics? Why the Nephilim result?
 
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There was a whole handful of Goliaths.
The last one David fought while up in years, one of his men finished the fight as a Second, then the men made David promise not to fight anymore.

The Goliaths, of course, were well after the flood, and whether they were descended from Nephilim, who can say.

Some people think Nephilim DNA was carried on after the flood by Ham's wife -- I don't know why they think that, but I have heard of it.

I think fallen angels (sons of God) interbreeded with humans (daughters of men) - it is the most obvious interpretation of the passage in Genesis 6.

If it was a mere matter of "Seth's line vs Cain's line" -- then why the unusual physical characteristics? Why the Nephilim result?

Why would fallen angels be described as the sons of God? Sure enough the phrase "sons of God" is used elsewhere (notably in Job) to describe the angelic host; but isn't it a little odd to refer to fallen angels as "sons of God"?

Also, the only characteristic we have about the nephilim, in Scripture, is that they were "heroes of old, men of renown"--that the text refers to them as mortal human beings (enosh, אַנְשֵׁי), should at least be kind of a hint that maybe these aren't supernatural beings, but ye olde standard mortal human being sorts.

If the only interesting thing is that there are some, such as Goliath, that happened to be NBA height, then that isn't really that interesting.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Rob Skiba does an excellent expose on Nephalim history throughout the Biblical account. Long story short the Bible makes it abundantly clear that a marriage occurred a long time ago preceding the flood between a group of rebellious Angels and human wives that gave birth to the Nephalim. Noah was said to have been “pure” and the rest of the population very evil continually. It might have been Satan’s attempt to pollute the gene pool of mankind. The Angels were punished severely by God by having them chained in darkness to a bottomless pit perhaps in the center on the earth until either the judgements day or end times when they would be released. The disincarnate souls of the Nephalim were left to forever roam the earth now know as evil spirits familiars demons greys ect.
 
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Maybe the 'sons of God" BECAME 'fallen angels' just because of this interbreeding with humans -- they "left their first estate" and got special punishment.

Precisely.

It is interesting that one can get the Truth from the canon despite its controversy. This is even more interesting considering that the same thing is confirmed in the apocrypha. That is a testament to the The Spirit of the Most High God - that He, His commandments and word are written on our hearts so that no one has to ask, "Who is God?"
 
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Didn't you hear the word of God?

And through hearing, you believed?

Where is your proof for Christ - besides what you heard, feel, and believe? Let's not do the "evidence" thing when we both already have to jump in a huge vat of faith-based canonical texts to begin with.

I understand you are incredulous, but you shouldn't let that cloud your judgment. And, you shouldn't be ignorant of the many texts that were removed - allegedly because they weren't inspired - but more likely because the world wouldn't be able to handle the truth. You can start with the reasoning behind why the Patriarchy of Christ goes to Seth, then Adam - who was the Son of God.

Or, even better: why doesn't Cain's PATRIARCHY list Adam, but rather begins with Cain Himself?


I hope, in general, you find what you are looking for.

I am not looking for anything---I found Him years ago.
As for linage---not exactly a big dark mystery. It was a patriarchal society. The first MALE born was the I heritor. It went from father to first born son---Cain was the firstborn and was the inheritor and the linage would have gone to his firstborn son---when he killed Abel, who would have been next in line to inherit, he was caste out of the family and the linage was then from Adam to Seth--the next male heir. No mystery, that is how they did things.
 
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I don't know if this is true or not but I think that I have seen some Nephilim (giant humans). They are allegedly related to free masonry.

I don't know if they are humans born giant (some people are taller than other, so maybe the Nephilim are just humans who are really tall) or if they are regular humans that some scientist have made giant by giving them growth hormone (which would be a masonic secret).

So, do you have information about Nephilim?
I've never seen them, but I know they exist. The bible itself talks of them, that and you have the giant skeletons that were found all throughout the late 1800s and early 1900s that New York times and other various publications wrote about.

Here probably isn't the best place for these issues though. Go to the now you see tv fellowship page on Facebook. They're open to and love discussions like this. This forum doesn't generally like topics like this.
 
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Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, that The Sons Of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.
Genesis 6:1-2



Now there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
• Job 1:6



Again there was a day when The Sons Of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
• Job 2:1



“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And All The Sons Of God shouted for joy?
• Job 38:4-7



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I am not looking for anything---I found Him years ago.
As for linage---not exactly a big dark mystery. It was a patriarchal society. The first MALE born was the I heritor. It went from father to first born son---Cain was the firstborn and was the inheritor and the linage would have gone to his firstborn son---when he killed Abel, who would have been next in line to inherit, he was caste out of the family and the linage was then from Adam to Seth--the next male heir. No mystery, that is how they did things.

That doesn't answer why Cain has no father listed in his genealogical listing in Genesis, and even Adam has His father listed as [The Most High] God.

But, if you are confident in what you believe, I won't badger the situation and try to continue.
 
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For if God did not spare The Angels Who Sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;
• 2 Peter 2:4


And The Angels Who Did Not Keep Their Proper Domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
• Jude 1:6


For this reason The Woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, Because Of The Angels.
• 1 Corinthian 11:10



And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And The Angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children .....
• 1 Enoch 6:1-3


Books of Enoch
 
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That doesn't answer why Cain has no father listed in his genealogical listing in Genesis, and even Adam has His father listed as [The Most High] God.

But, if you are confident in what you believe, I won't badger the situation and try to continue.


It doesn't get any plainer than this:
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The Torah: Genesis 4

"and the human had known Hhawah his woman and she conceived and she brought forth Qayin, and she said, I purchased a man with YHWH,"

Cain can not be considered in the genealogy from Adam--he lost that birthright. Abel is not listed either--with both of those firstborns out of the picture--it goes to Seth.
 
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It doesn't get any plainer than this:
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

The Torah: Genesis 4

"and the human had known Hhawah his woman and she conceived and she brought forth Qayin, and she said, I purchased a man with YHWH,"

Cain can not be considered in the genealogy from Adam--he lost that birthright. Abel is not listed either--with both of those firstborns out of the picture--it goes to Seth.

Have you ever seen Maury Pouvich? Ever? If not, it highlights the terribly blatant fact that a woman can fornicate with multiple men, and if it is within a certain time period, the woman can produce a child whose true father may not be known.

"The human had sex with his wife and she conceived and brought forth 'Cain'" does not mean that was Adam's child at all. This is especially in light of the fact that the canonical texts are not the end-all-be-off of the Word of God, and humans had a hand in inserting and removing what books they believed were important for human spiritual growth.

Other humans made that decision for you; the Word of God cannot be contained in a canon. The word of God is Christ - the Truth, Way, and Life
 
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That is soooo silly---you're talking about angels that were kicked out of heaven--they have no regard for heavenly things--but they MARRY human women? Why would they have a religious ceremony??



"The word "nephilim" as used in Gen 6:4 and Num 13:33 is simply an anglocizing of the Hebrew word nephiyl. If it were to be translated it would be simply "the fallen".
this opens up a whole new hermeneutical question about how then should we interpret these people described both before the flood in Gen 6 as "the fallen" and then again after the flood when the spies brought back their report about the promised land being filled with "the fallen" who are also described as giants.
Different interpretations have described the nephilim as fallen angels, others as fallen men, some have categorized only the sons of Cain as the nephilim in Gen 6, but then how are they reappearing after the flood? or if it is fallen angels, do we see the earth invaded by fallen angels not once but twice?
I think the most consistent view of the Nephilim would consist of those who have fallen away from faith and reliance upon God. Those who think that they can achieve greatness absent from God's presence.
[There were giants in the earth] npiliym , from naaphal , "he fell." Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by gigantes, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just disinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim , the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above, children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence, we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints, the former were termed gigantes (Greek), "earth-born", and the latter, hagioi , i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.
[The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.] giboriym , which we render "mighty men", signifies properly conquerors, heroes, from gaabar , "he prevailed, was victorious." and °ansheey hashem , "men of the name," anthroopoi onomastoi , Septuagint; the same as we render men of renown, renominati, twice named, as the word implies, having one name which they derived from their fathers, and another which they acquired by their daring exploits and enterprises.
It may be necessary to remark here that our translators have rendered seven different Hebrew words by the one term giants, viz., nephilim. gibborim, enachim, rephaim, emim, and zamzummim; by which appellatives are probably meant in general persons of great knowledge, piety, courage, wickedness, etc., and not men of enormous stature, as is generally conjectured. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...english-equivalent-for-nephilim-of-genesis-64

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THE TARGUM OF ONKELOS
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THE BOOK BERESHITH
OR
GENESIS.
SECTION I.
BERESHITH BARA ELOHIM.

VI. And Noach was a son of five hundred years, and Noach begat Shem, Cham, and Japheth. And it was when the sons of men had begun to multiply upon the earth, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of the mighty[32] saw the daughters of men that they were beautiful, and took to them wives of all whom they pleased.[33] And the Lord said, This evil generation shall not stand before me for ever, because they are flesh, and their works are evil. A term (or length) will I give them, an hundred and twenty years, if they may be converted. Giants were in the earth in those days; and also when, after that the sons of the mighty had gone in unto the daughters of men, there were born from them giants who from of old were men of name.



And the Lord saw that the wickedness of man had multiplied in the earth, and that every formation (or image) of the thought of his heart was only evil every day. And it repented the Lord in His Word that He had made men upon the earth. And He said, (in His Word,)[34] that He would break their strength according to His pleasure. And the Lord said, Man whom I have made will I blot out[35] I from the face of the earth;‑from man to the beast, to the reptile, and to the fowls of heaven; because it repenteth Me in My Word that I have made them. But Noach found mercy before the Lord.


Targum

The targumim were spoken paraphrases, explanations and expansions of the Jewish scriptures that a rabbi would give in the common language of the listeners, which was then often Aramaic. That had become necessary near the end of the 1st century BCE, as the common language was in transition and Hebrew was used for little more than schooling and worship. The noun "Targum" is derived from the early semitic quadriliteral root trgm, and the Akkadian term targummanu refers to "translator, interpreter". It occurs in the Hebrew Bible in Ezra 4:7 "... and the writing of the letter was written in the Syrian tongue and interpreted in the Syrian tongue." Besides denoting the translations of the Bible, the term Targum also denote the oral rendering of Bible lections in synagogue, while the translator of the Bible was simply called hammeturgem. Other than the meaning "translate" the verb Tirgem also means "to explain". The word Targum refers to "translation" and argumentation or "explanation".
 

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Have you ever seen Maury Pouvich? Ever? If not, it highlights the terribly blatant fact that a woman can fornicate with multiple men, and if it is within a certain time period, the woman can produce a child whose true father may not be known.

"The human had sex with his wife and she conceived and brought forth 'Cain'" does not mean that was Adam's child at all. This is especially in light of the fact that the canonical texts are not the end-all-be-off of the Word of God, and humans had a hand in inserting and removing what books they believed were important for human spiritual growth.

Other humans made that decision for you; the Word of God cannot be contained in a canon. The word of God is Christ - the Truth, Way, and Life


:doh: Believe what you will---this is the inspired word of God and when it says that a man knew his wife, she conceived and bare a child--it was that man's child!
I know about women having twins by 2 different men---one white, one black even. There are people with 2 sets of DNA--one from an absorbed twin. There are all sorts of things that can happen. This is Adam and Eve, the first man and woman and if you wish to read that some fallen angel beat Adam to the punch---knock yourself out. Funny--Jesus never said a word about it. The scriptures that Jesus read--the
OT---were the same ones that were found when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. Which were the same ones from after the Babylonian exile.
 
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