The Truth about Tongues - Once and for All

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This is for everyone that thinks that tongues by the Holy Spirit should or were always understood by the speaker and/or those around them...  READ the highlighted scriptures here by Paul.  PLEASE pay attention to what they say, not what they don't say....

(1 Corinthians 14:1) Follow after love; yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

(1 Corinthians 14:2) For he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God; for no man understandeth; but in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Hello?  Read what that says in 14:2 over and over until it sinks in please.  I'm tired of these same tongues debates from people that think just because they haven't experienced something themselves that it cannot be.

(1 Corinthians 14:3) But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men edification, and exhortation, and consolation.

(1 Corinthians 14:4) He that speaketh in a tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

(1 Corinthians 14:5) Now I would have you all speak with tongues, but rather that ye should prophesy: and greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

(1 Corinthians 14:6) But now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, unless I speak to you either by way of revelation, or of knowledge, or of prophesying, or of teaching?

(1 Corinthians 14:7) Even things without life, giving a voice, whether pipe or harp, if they give not a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?

(1 Corinthians 14:8) For if the trumpet give an uncertain voice, who shall prepare himself for war?

(1 Corinthians 14:9) So also ye, unless ye utter by the tongue speech easy to understand, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye will be speaking into the air.

(1 Corinthians 14:10) There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and no kind is without signification.

(1 Corinthians 14:11) If then I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be to him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh will be a barbarian unto me.

(1 Corinthians 14:12) So also ye, since ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may abound unto the edifying of the church.

(1 Corinthians 14:13) Wherefore let him that speaketh in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

(1 Corinthians 14:14) For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

You see, there is a "prayer language" for your soul.  It is useful when you are in agony or crying out to God and there are no words left to say and/or you don't know what else to say to God but your soul is still crying out.  This is a form of tongues that is healthy for your spirit and Paul would have it that all people pray in their own tongue.  This is best useful in private when you're in your "prayer closet" and is not edifying to the Church, but it IS edifying to your own spirit.  It is only edifying to the Church if you can interpret or someone else can interpret the message in a meeting of Church people.

(1 Corinthians 14:15) What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

(1 Corinthians 14:16) Else if thou bless with the spirit, how shall he that filleth the place of the unlearned say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he knoweth not what thou sayest?

(1 Corinthians 14:17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

(1 Corinthians 14:18) I thank God, I speak with tongues more than you all:

(1 Corinthians 14:19) howbeit in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that I might instruct others also, than ten thousand words in a tongue.

(1 Corinthians 14:20) Brethren, be not children in mind: yet in malice be ye babes, but in mind be men.

(1 Corinthians 14:21) In the law it is written, By men of strange tongues and by the lips of strangers will I speak unto this people; and not even thus will they hear me, saith the Lord.

(1 Corinthians 14:22) Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to the unbelieving: but prophesying is for a sign, not to the unbelieving, but to them that believe.

(1 Corinthians 14:23) If therefore the whole church be assembled together and all speak with tongues, and there come in men unlearned or unbelieving, will they not say that ye are mad?

Sounds like what people who claim to be believers do even in these forums.  :sigh:

(1 Corinthians 14:24) But if all prophesy, and there come in one unbelieving or unlearned, he is reproved by all, he is judged by all;

(1 Corinthians 14:25) the secrets of his heart are made manifest; and so he will fall down on his face and worship God, declaring that God is among you indeed.

(1 Corinthians 14:26) What is it then, brethren? When ye come together, each one hath a psalm, hath a teaching, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.

(1 Corinthians 14:27) If any man speaketh in a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most three, and that in turn; and let one interpret:

(1 Corinthians 14:28) but if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

(1 Corinthians 14:29) And let the prophets speak by two or three, and let the others discern.

(1 Corinthians 14:30) But if a revelation be made to another sitting by, let the first keep silence.

(1 Corinthians 14:31) For ye all can prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be exhorted;

(1 Corinthians 14:32) and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets;

(1 Corinthians 14:33) for God is not a God of confusion, but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints,

(1 Corinthians 14:34) let the women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but let them be in subjection, as also saith the law.

(1 Corinthians 14:35) And if they would learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home: for it is shameful for a woman to speak in the church.

(1 Corinthians 14:36) What? was it from you that the word of God went forth? or came it unto you alone?

(1 Corinthians 14:37) If any man thinketh himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him take knowledge of the things which I write unto you, that they are the commandment of the Lord.

(1 Corinthians 14:38) But if any man is ignorant, let him be ignorant.


Maybe I should just let this go and let him who is ignorant remain ignorant about tongues, edification and prophecy.

(1 Corinthians 14:39) Wherefore, my brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

(1 Corinthians 14:40) But let all things be done decently and in order.

To those who doubt tongues for the use of the edifying for one's soul not just to bridge the gap between different languages,  would you remain ignorant to the full understanding of tongues and the two uses of tongues or would you be willing to admit that you just haven't experienced them yet and spoke out of ignorance concerning the truth about tongues?  I am not judging you for I too misjudged tongues and those who spoke in tongues.  God bless.
 
Part of Isaiah 28......

In that day the LORD Almighty
will be a glorious crown,
a beautiful wreath
for the remnant of his people.
He will be a spirit of justice
to him who sits in judgment,
a source of strength
to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

And these also stagger from wine
and reel from beer:
Priests and prophets stagger from beer
and are befuddled with wine;
they reel from beer,
they stagger when seeing visions,
they stumble when rendering decisions.
All the tables are covered with vomit
and there is not a spot without filth.

"Who is it he is trying to teach?
To whom is he explaining his message?
To children weaned from their milk,
to those just taken from the breast?
For it is:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule [1] ;
a little here, a little there."

Very well then, with foreign lips and strange tongues
God will speak to this people,
to whom he said,
"This is the resting place, let the weary rest";
and, "This is the place of repose"-
but they would not listen.
So then, the word of the LORD to them will become:
Do and do, do and do,
rule on rule, rule on rule;
a little here, a little there-
so that they will go and fall backward,
be injured and snared and captured.



Seems to me that even God speaks in tongues.... maybe we should listen....
 
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Scripture calles it the LEAST of the gifts so - so what if you or I cannot speak in tounges - so what if we can!

well, if you think a gift from God is a "SO WHAT!?" deal, that says a lot about your attitude towards the Holy Spirit.

Least of the gifts or not, tongues is still a powerful weapon for the Christian, and it wld do the Christian well to just shut up, humble himself and seek after this equipping for his own good.

We always talk abt submitting ourselves to God. Well, start with your tongue. When God has your tongue, he has your body. The part of the body that represents the 'tithe' to God is the tongue.

We always talk about the importance of prayer and praying scripturally. So why not pray in tongues for when you pray in tongues, the Holy Spirit is in a sense praying through you. He knows best what to pray, who to pray for, when to pray, etc. If we just stick to our mind and English we are severely limited. So, if this itself is not reason enough to seek the spiritual lang of tongues, then that's real sad.
 
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andrew: too many people and churches base their "salvation" upon the gift of tongues. To say that we must have it or will have this gift is silly. I know many people who have manifested other gifts of the spirit and have never manifested Tongues.

It is the LEAST of the gifts and even if it were not - I will still say so what if you have it - or do not have it - This gift is not something to get hung up on. What right do we have to worry and judge over what GIFTS God gives or does not give? If God gives you the gift of the Midas touch - so what. Does that mean he loves you more or me less? We hae no right to take pride in or glroy from God given gifts.
 
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andrew: too many people and churches base their "salvation" upon the gift of tongues.

that is simply a myth Max. In all my 20+ years of being a Christian, I've only come across 2 people from a local church who base salvation on tongues. Neither have I met anyone on this forum who believes that.

And where does one get the idea that tongues is the least of the gifts? Scripture proof?

In fact all the gifts have more or less equal value and usefulness.

31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

Best gifts here means the most useful in a given situation. For example if you deal a lot with sick people, then of cse the best gift wld be healing and or faith. But if you need to build up your spirit man or witness to a foreigner then of cse tongues wld be best -- healing wld serve no pupose if the guy aint sick.

The comparison of the body parts Paul talks about is also NOT a comparison or grading of gifts. Read carefully, Paul is talking abt the people in the church, the members who have the gifts, not the gifts. So Mr X who has the gift of healing cannot say he does not need Mr Y who has the gift of tongues and vice versa.
 
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Yesterday at 08:45 AM Br. Max said this in Post #5

andrew: too many people and churches base their "salvation" upon the gift of tongues. To say that we must have it or will have this gift is silly. I know many people who have manifested other gifts of the spirit and have never manifested Tongues.

It is the LEAST of the gifts and even if it were not - I will still say so what if you have it - or do not have it - This gift is not something to get hung up on. What right do we have to worry and judge over what GIFTS God gives or does not give? If God gives you the gift of the Midas touch - so what. Does that mean he loves you more or me less? We hae no right to take pride in or glroy from God given gifts.

Yeah, people who speak in tongues or believe in it think they're better than everyone else. :rolleyes:

The point is Max that it is quite possible that making fun of people that are using a gift of the Holy Spirit is the very blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that is spoken of as the unforgivable sin, so people need to know it is a gift and not something to be misunderstood, made fun of or not believed in.  If someone doesn't believe in it they might as well trash the rest of the New Testament while they're at it, but it is true. 

Do you always throw aside the least Max?  Think about it.
 
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19th March 2003 at 11:47 PM Andrew said this in Post #4



well, if you think a gift from God is a "SO WHAT!?" deal, that says a lot about your attitude towards the Holy Spirit.

Least of the gifts or not, tongues is still a powerful weapon for the Christian, and it wld do the Christian well to just shut up, humble himself and seek after this equipping for his own good.

We always talk abt submitting ourselves to God. Well, start with your tongue. When God has your tongue, he has your body. The part of the body that represents the 'tithe' to God is the tongue.

We always talk about the importance of prayer and praying scripturally. So why not pray in tongues for when you pray in tongues, the Holy Spirit is in a sense praying through you. He knows best what to pray, who to pray for, when to pray, etc. If we just stick to our mind and English we are severely limited. So, if this itself is not reason enough to seek the spiritual lang of tongues, then that's real sad.

And isn't there a scripture that says something about "whoever is faithful with a little will be given more" (somthing like that anyway).  So since tongues is the least of the gifts, when it is received and handled correctly then the others will be given accordingly. 

Just a thought!
 
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Yesterday at 09:45 AM Br. Max said this in Post #5

andrew: too many people and churches base their "salvation" upon the gift of tongues. To say that we must have it or will have this gift is silly. I know many people who have manifested other gifts of the spirit and have never manifested Tongues.

It is the LEAST of the gifts and even if it were not - I will still say so what if you have it - or do not have it - This gift is not something to get hung up on. What right do we have to worry and judge over what GIFTS God gives or does not give? If God gives you the gift of the Midas touch - so what. Does that mean he loves you more or me less? We hae no right to take pride in or glroy from God given gifts.

Br. Max,

I suppose there are people out there who take great pride in being able to operate in a gift. . .though, I think that is much like taking the credit for having blue or green eyes.  But just because someone missuses a gift does not mean that we ignore it. . .  Much like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Each of us has gifts that are given to us by God.  That in itself really does make them a "big deal".  All of them.  From the least to the best.  However, we cannot take the credit for them.  Through no effort of our own He offers them to us to use for the sake of the Kingdom.

If we choose to ignore the gifts He's given and write them off as the "least", so I don't want it, then we are in a sense snubbing our nose up to Him.

You are right.  No one has the right to take pride in or glory in God given gifts.   And as far as I know, I am not doing that.  Of course, because our enemy, the devil, who goes about like a roaring lion, is seeking anyone to devour. . .I'm forever humbling myself before Him, so that I do not become devoured.

I believe we all have the possibility of falling into pride somewhere.  Not one of us is exempt from it.
 
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Today at 05:20 PM Br. Max said this in Post #10

JS:I'm not talking about throwing it aside - I'm talking about not maiking an issue out of it. :) What we should be making issues out of are things such as Orthopraxy and Charity and Purity :)

Ok, my last post when in at the same time as yours and your's got in first.

I don't believe I'm making an issue of it.  If I have an answer to something, I will answer.  I'm not gonna say, sorry, that's not an issue I'm supposed to talk about. 
 
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Well it may seem like we're making an issue out of it but that's becos this is a dicussion forum and this is the topic!

Christians who speak in tongues don't go around making a big fuss out of it (except maybe flaky ones), they go about their lives just like every other Christian. Only that instead of just praying in English or praising God in English, they do it in tongues too.
 
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Br. Max wrote:
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"There are many christian churches that feel that speaking in tongues is paramount within the Christian faith. AOG for example. "
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I'd say be cautious about this, AOG are as different from each other as Baptists from Baptist. The tendency to over simplify is always a temptation, but it's to be avoided when applying to Brothers & Sisters in the Lord. Just my 2 cents.
 
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I agree completely with you Jesus Servant on what you say Tongues is for.

And I  would like to chime in Penecostal and Charismatic Churches DO not require Tongues for salvation. That's just crazy if you think that we believe that! We believe that Tongues is an attachment that God gives us. I do believe that Baptism of the Holy Spirit- is the gift of tongues. And it is VERY necessary for believers to have it. But, also to an extent I believe that some people may not get the gift of tongues but have another spiritual gift.

For the Record: WE DO NOT REQUIRE TONGUES FOR SALVATION...
 
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Today at 12:02 AM Br. Max said this in Post #15

There are many christian churches that feel that speaking in tongues is paramount within the Christian faith. AOG for example. Tongues are great is done properly and in obedience to scripture. :) But to make them a REQUIREMENT for and of salvation?? Thats preaching works.

While I am no longer part of the Assemblys of God, I was raised Assembly's of God and they do NOT teach that speaking in tongues is paramount within the Christian faith.  They teach, like most, that speaking in tongues is the initial evedence that one is baptized in the Holy Ghost.  They DO NOT make them a requirement for and of salvation.




 
 
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