MJ Only How the Bible is divided in Judaism

That breakdown (Torah, prophets, writings) was endorsed by our Lord:

Luke 24:44
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

I guess my question would be (in the light of the Luke verse) why did the gentile church adopt a different breakdown?

Dave-W said:

I guess my question would be (in the light of the Luke verse) why did the gentile church adopt a different breakdown?

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The break down is between the Old and New Covenant. In other words; what is to remain, and what was done away with? The answers can be found in scriptures.

CherubRam said:

The break down is between the Old and New Covenant. In other words; what is to remain, and what was done away with? The answers can be found in scriptures.

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That is not the topic of the thread. The OP has nothing about the New Covenant.

It is the breakdown of the Tenach (or OT) into Torah, Prophets and Writings; as opposed to Pentateuch, History, Poetry and Prophets. (the christian scheme)

Dave-W said:

That is not the topic of the thread.

It is the breakdown of the Tenach (or OT) into Torah, Prophets and Writings; as opposed to Pentetuch, History, Poetry and Prophets. (the christian scheme)

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Prophecy is as important as anything in understanding the scheme of things. And it is because of prophecy that we have a different understanding of things.

CherubRam said:

Prophecy is as important as anything in understanding the scheme of things. And it is because of prophecy that we have a different understanding of things.

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What does that have to do with the OP?
Or my comment about the christians messing up the division and order of the Tenach books?

Dave-W said:

That is not the topic of the thread. The OP has nothing about the New Covenant.

It is the breakdown of the Tenach (or OT) into Torah, Prophets and Writings; as opposed to Pentateuch, History, Poetry and Prophets. (the christian scheme)

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Some believe that the Hebrew Bible order represents the order in which books were collected.

The Christian scheme with its New Testament takes prophecy into consideration.

CherubRam said:

The Christian scheme with its New Testament takes prophecy into consideration.

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So?

Heber Book List said:

Because the books thought to be most important - the synoptic gospels - being first hand accounts of Jesus' life, were placed first and then 'John's' gospel, which tells the same basic story, but in a very different way. Then the Acts appear to as a bridge between the gospels and the Paul story, followed by Paul's own writings, so that there was a continuum from the gospels right through Paul's letters.

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No. NOT the new testament.

Why were the books of TENACH ordered differently?

the OP is only about Tenach.

OK - I can see what you were asking. Apologies for misunderstanding your post.

For starters, Daniel is seen as a prophet in the CT, but not in the Tanach where it is just another writing because the prophecy is seen by Christians as relating to / pointing to Yeshua.

In the CT the following are seen as history: Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah and Esther. There is clearly a different logic at work!

The books of the TeNaKh should be in correct order (using English names) as is true with my combined OT/NT 2011 Bible Translation made in China. Printng and binding quality AOK, if i do say so (retired Photo-Offset Lithographer) ...

The OT chronology reads better with I&II Chronicles at the conclusion of the TeNaKh.

The weekly readings begins with the first Sabbath after the Feast of Sukkot (Tabernacles) and goes through the year. For more information on weekly readings Google "Hafiarah" as you should find the following historical account quite interesting (pages 36-37) ...
Essential Torah

I have a bible dd 1906, written by Farrah Fenton who had never read the bible before and set about learning Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek and then translated the texts into English. The Tanach is in the correct order, but the CT has a few changes in its order

He writes that the Tanach is: Translated from the Hebrew, Chaldee and Greek languages. Amazing that he got the correct order! It would seem that his version of the bible went down like a lead balloon with the people. I think that was largely because of the changes he made to the CT.

Dave-W said:

I guess my question would be (in the light of the Luke verse) why did the gentile church adopt a different breakdown?

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In the second century, the Church went through a period of differentiation from Judaism. Messianic Jews had betrayed Israel by not participating in the rebellion against Rome, creating a rift that still exists to this day. It is during this period that you had the famous debates between Justin Martyr (representing the Church) and Trypho (representing Judaism). It was during this age that you had bishops emphasizing the fact that the Lord's Day, being on the eighth day when Christ arose, was NOT the Sabbath day. You get the idea. I'm wondering if this was the beginning of it.

Another question I have is, how does the Septuagint break it down? We know that the Church adopted the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew Tanakh as its OT canon. All the quotes in the gospels and epistles are directly from the Septuagint.

Lord’s Day. Day of the Lord.



Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,




Isaiah 13:6
Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.
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Isaiah 13:9
See, the day of the Lord is coming —a cruel day, with wrath and fierce anger— to make the land desolate and destroy the sinners within it.
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Lamentations 2:22
“As you summon to a feast day, so you summoned against me terrors on every side. In the day of the Lord’s anger no one escaped or survived; those I cared for and reared my enemy has destroyed.”
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Ezekiel 7:19
“‘They will throw their silver into the streets, and their gold will be treated as a thing unclean. Their silver and gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the Lord’s wrath. It will not satisfy their hunger or fill their stomachs, for it has caused them to stumble into sin.
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Ezekiel 13:5
You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord.
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Ezekiel 30:3
For the day is near, the day of the Lord is near— a day of clouds, a time of doom for the nations.
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Hosea 9:5
What will you do on the day of your appointed festivals, on the feast days of the Lord?
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Joel 1:15
Alas for that day! For the day of the Lord is near; it will come like destruction from the Almighty.
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Joel 2:1
[ An Army of Locusts ] Blow the trumpet in Zion; sound the alarm on my holy hill. Let all who live in the land tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming. It is close at hand—
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Joel 2:11
The Lord thunders at the head of his army; his forces are beyond number, and mighty is the army that obeys his command. The day of the Lord is great; it is dreadful. Who can endure it?
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Joel 2:31
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
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Joel 3:14
Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
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Amos 5:18
[ The Day of the Lord ] Woe to you who long for the day of the Lord! Why do you long for the day of the Lord? That day will be darkness, not light.
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Amos 5:20
Will not the day of the Lord be darkness, not light— pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?
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Obadiah 1:15
“The day of the Lord is near for all nations. As you have done, it will be done to you; your deeds will return upon your own head.
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Zephaniah 1:2
[ Judgment on the Whole Earth in the Day of the Lord ] “I will sweep away everything from the face of the earth,” declares the Lord.
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Zephaniah 1:7
Be silent before the Sovereign Lord, for the day of the Lord is near. The Lord has prepared a sacrifice; he has consecrated those he has invited.
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Zephaniah 1:8
“On the day of the Lord’s sacrifice I will punish the officials and the king’s sons and all those clad in foreign clothes.
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Zephaniah 1:14
The great day of the Lord is near— near and coming quickly. The cry on the day of the Lord is bitter; the Mighty Warrior shouts his battle cry.
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Zephaniah 1:18
Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the Lord’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth.
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Zephaniah 2:2
before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff, before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you, before the day of the Lord’s wrath comes upon you.
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Zephaniah 2:3
Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands. Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord’s anger.
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Zechariah 14:1
[ The Lord Comes and Reigns ] A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls.
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Malachi 4:5
“See, I will send the prophet Elijah to you before that great and dreadful day of the Lord comes.
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Acts 2:20
The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and glorious day of the Lord.
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1 Corinthians 5:5
hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.
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2 Corinthians 1:14
as you have understood us in part, you will come to understand fully that you can boast of us just as we will boast of you in the day of the Lord Jesus.
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1 Thessalonians 5:1
[ The Day of the Lord ] Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you,
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1 Thessalonians 5:2
for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.
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2 Thessalonians 2:2
not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come.
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2 Peter 3:1
[ The Day of the Lord ] Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking.
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2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
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Open Heart said:

In the second century, the Church went through a period of differentiation from Judaism.

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Yep.. Bar Kochba.
Big mistake IMO.

It was during this age that you had bishops emphasizing the fact that the Lord's Day, being on the eighth day when Christ arose, was NOT the Sabbath day.

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Another mistake. Bad misuse of "day of the Lord" which signifies death and destruction

Another question I have is, how does the Septuagint break it down? We know that the Church adopted the Septuagint rather than the Hebrew Tanakh as its OT canon. All the quotes in the gospels and epistles are directly from the Septuagint.

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Not sure the Jews ever tried to put an order to the LXX. It was the property of the Greeks from day 1.

As to the NT quotes being verbatim from the LXX, I chalk that up to scribal editing.

The bracketed [The Day of the Lord] at the beginning of Joel 2:28 puts a 180 degree spin on what the day of the Lord means ... which Dave-W rightly expressed when he writes ... Bad misuse of "day of the Lord" which signifies death and destruction.
John's wording in Rev, 1:10, "On the Lord's Day" isn't really bad misuse as it could have meant an AOK day having an entirely different meaning than verses in the Tanakh and Brit Chadashah that read "day of the Lord" John is just as likely to be referring to either the 7th day of the week or the 1st day of the week according to the OJB translation.


So, is it Yom HaAdon (the Lord's Day) or Yom HaDin (Day of Judgement)? If Yom HaDin it's possible John's vision occurred on Rosh Hashanah ... who knows could have also happened on Yom HaAdon

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The bracketed [The Day of the Lord] at the beginning of Joel 2:28 puts a 180 degree spin on what the day of the Lord means ... which Dave-W rightly expressed when he writes ... Bad misuse of "day of the Lord" which signifies death and destruction.
John's wording in Rev, 1:10, "On the Lord's Day" isn't really bad misuse as it could have meant an AOK day having an entirely different meaning than verses in the Tanakh and Brit Chadashah that read "day of the Lord" John is just as likely to be referring to either the 7th day of the week or the 1st day of the week according to the OJB translation.

Hisgalus 1:10 (OJB)I was in the Ruach Hakodesh on Yom HaAdon, and I heard behind me a kol gadol (a loud voice), like the blast of a shofar, [YECHEZKEL 3:12; SHEMOT 19:16]​

So, is it Yom HaAdon (the Lord's Day) or Yom HaDin (Day of Judgement)? If Yom HaDin it's possible John's vision occurred on Rosh Hashanah ... who knows could have also happened on Yom HaAdon

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Joel 2:28. Correct. I will edit that out. AS for (Day of the Lord) the revelation is speaking of the last days.