Christ's True Name

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Christ’s True Name

Most all scholars agree that God's name is Yah.

Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69 on page 217.
Brown-Driver-Briggs on page 218 states that, "Many recent scholars explain יהוה‎ as Hiph. of הוה equals היה "

הוה hawah / HWH is hawah.
היה hayah / HYH is hayah.

Note that the vowels are all " a."
יהוה Yahwah

The vowels are "a" in the Brown-Driver-Briggs, the NIV Exhaustive Concordance, and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordances.

If you are right and I am wrong, then God's prophecy through Moses failed; and Christ words failed. Think about that for a while. Jesus does not equal Yah.

Exodus 23:21
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.

John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name—the name you gave me—so that they may be one as we are one.

Hebrews 2:12
He says, “I will declare your name to my brothers; in the presence of the congregation I will sing your praises.”


Christ's name in English is Yahshua.

What is the name of his son
Proverbs 30:4
Who has gone up to heaven and come down? Whose hands have gathered up the wind? Who has wrapped up the waters in a cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is the name of his son? Surely you know!

Yahwah and Yahshua.


Concealing the name of God

Concealing the name of God was not only a custom, it was also made a law.

The sages quoted, "This is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" (Ex. iii. 15). Here the word "le-'olam" (forever) is written defectively, being without the "waw" for the vowel "o," which renders the reading "le-'allem" (to conceal; Ḳid. 71a).


Forty years prior to the destruction of the Temple, the priests ceased to pronounce the Name (Yoma39b). From that time the pronunciation of the Name was prohibited. "Whoever pronounces the Name forfeits his portion in the future world" (Sanh. xi. 1).
30 AD to 70 AD.

Abba Saul (2d cent.) condemned the profanation of the Tetragrammaton by classing those "that speak the Name according to its letters," with those who have no part in the future world (Sanh. x. 1); and according to 'Ab. Zarah 17b, one of the martyrs of Hadrian's time, Hananiah b. Teradion, was burned at the stake because he so uttered the Name.


The view that prayer is more effectual if the name of God is pronounced in it as it is written caused the scholars of Kairwan to address a question in the eleventh century to Hai Gaon with reference to the pronunciation of the Shem ha-Meforash, to which he answered that it might not be uttered at all outside the Holy Land (Hai Gaon, "Ṭa'am Zeḳenim," p. 55; see Löw, "Gesammelte Schriften," i. 204).


Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."

Thirteen theophoric names with "Yeho" have corresponding forms where the letters eh have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ‎) into Jo (יוֹ‎), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name.
Theophoric Names: Theophoric name - Wikipedia



Yahwah's name was in the original New Testament scriptures

After killing Hebrew Christians, the Jews would take the New testament scripture written in Hebrew, and carefully cut the name of God out. Then they would place the divine name in a safe place to keep. Following that, they then would burn the remainder of the scrolls in a fire. Rabbi Yose who lived during the second century AD states that, "One cuts out the reference to the Divine Name which are in them [the New Testament writings] and stores them away, and the rest burns." One of his characteristic sayings is, "He who proclaimed the coming of the Messiah,[John] and he who hated scholars [Yahshua] and his disciples; and that false prophet and those slanderers, will have no part in the future world."

According to Wilhelm Bacher this was directed against the Hebrew Christians. And so it is an established fact then, that the disciples of Christ did in fact write the Holy Name of God into the original New Testament.


If Christ name is Jesus, then the word of God has failed.



Yah said that His name is in him (Christ.) Christ said that Yah’s name is in him. Therefore Christ name must be Yahshua to fulfill the word of God. What the Rabbi’s have done to the Hebrew language is make God out to be a liar. The word of God has not failed, people have failed God, and His son Yahshua.


Halleluyah.
Since the first name of God is Yah, how is it that it is not retained in Hebrew theophoric names? It is because the Rabbi's changed the Hebrew language so God's name may not be spoken.


Jesus: The English form "Jesus" was not seen nor spoken until after the year 1525,
when Sir William Tyndale a Protestant Reformer from Oxford, England --- invented it!


Yah

Yah (Hebrew: יהּ‎‎ Yah) is a short form of Yahwah (in consonantal spelling YHWH Hebrew: יהוה‎‎, called the Tetragrammaton), the proper name of God in the Hebrew Bible. This short form of the name occurs 50 times in the text of the Hebrew Bible, of which 24 form part of the phrase "Halleluyah".


Yahshua bible history

Brown-Driver-Briggs
יְהוֺשׁוּעַ, יְהוֺשֻׁעַ and (later) יֵשׁוּעַ,
proper name, masculine (& location, see
9 below) (׳י is salvation, or ׳י is opulence, compare אֱלִישָׁע, אֱלִישׁוּעַ, אֲבִישׁוּעַ & NesSK 1892, 573 f.; in any case it came to be associated with ישׁע, compare Matthew 1:21; on יֵשׁוּעַ see especially FräVOJ iv. 1890, 332 f. MüllSK 1892, 177 f. who cite analogue for change of וֹ to later ֵ֯, & Nesl.c.) —
1 Moses' successor, son of Nun, (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς) יְהוֺשׁוּעַ Deuteronomy 3:21; Judges 2:7; = יְהוֺשֻׁעַ Exodus 17:9,10,13,14; Exodus 24:13; Exodus 32:17; Exodus 33:11; Numbers 11:28; Numbers 13:16; Numbers 14:6,30,38; Numbers 26:65; Numbers 27:18,22; Numbers 32:12,28; Numbers 34:17; Deuteronomy 1:38; Deuteronomy 3:28; Deuteronomy 31:3,7,14 (twice in verse); Deuteronomy 31:23; Deuteronomy 34:9; Joshua 1:1 167t. Joshua; Judges 1:1; Judges 2:6,7,8,21,23; 1 Kings 16:34; 1 Chronicles 7:27; = יֵשׁוּעַ Nehemiah 8:17 (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς); according to P, name changed by Moses from הוֺשֵׁעַ q. v. Numbers 13:8,16 (ᵐ5 Αὑση) Deuteronomy 32:44 (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς).
2 יְהוֺשֻׁעַ a Bethshemite 1 Samuel 6:14,18 (ᵐ5 'Wshe, A Ἰησοῦς, ᵐ5L Ἰωσηε).
3 high priest after the restoration, son of Jehozadak יְהוֺשֻׁעַ (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς) Haggai 1:1,12,14; Haggai 2:2,4; Zechariah 3:1,3,6,8,9; Zechariah 6:11; = יְשׁוּעַ (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς) Ezra 2:2; Ezra 3:2,8; Ezra 4:3; Ezra 5:2; Ezra 10:18; Nehemiah 7:7; Nehemiah 12:1,7,10,26.
4 יְהוֺשֻׁעַ governor of Jerusalem under Josiah 2 Kings 23:8 (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς, ᵐ5L Ἰωσηε).
5 יֵשׁוּעַ (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς). head of one of the classes of priests 1 Chronicles 24:11, possibly also Ezra 2:36 = Nehemiah 7:39.
6 יֵשׁוּעַ (ᵐ5 Ἰησοῦς etc.), a Levitical family-name of frequent occurrence:
a.Ezra 2:40; Ezra 3:9 = Nehemiah 7:43; Nehemiah 8:7; Nehemiah 9:4,5; Nehemiah 10:10; Nehemiah 12:8.
b.2Chronicles 31:15; Ezra 8:33; Nehemiah 12:24.
7 יֵשׁוּעַ (ᵐ5 id.), father of a builder at the wall Nehemiah 3:19, perhaps =
8 a Judaite family-name (ᵐ5 id.), Ezra 2:6 = Nehemiah 7:11 (compare SmListen 12).
9. proper name, of a locationin south of JudahNehemiah 11:26 בְּיֵשׁוּעַ (ᵐ5 ἐν Ἰησού, ᵐ5L ἐν Σουα).
יְהוֺשֻׁעַ, יֵשׁוּעַ proper name.



It is believed by some that the letter J was introduced to keep people from pronouncing God's name in theophoric names.


Yahwah forms

In an effort to keep people from speaking the name of God, the true pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton was hidden by the Masoretes, when they added vowel points to the text. There are seven different ways they vowel pointed the Tetragrammaton to achieve their goal.

יְהוָֹה - Y'howah (ē - ĕ - hō - wä), example found in Genesis 3:14

יְהוָה - Y'hwah (ē - ĕ - wä), example found in Genesis 2:4

יֱהוִֹה - Yehowih (ē - ĕ - hō - wĭ), example found in Judges 16:28

יֱהוִה - Yehwih (ē - ĕ - wĭ), example found in Genesis 15:2

יְהוִֹה - Y'howih (ē - ĕ - hō - wĭ), example found in 1 Kings 2:26

יְהוִה - Y'hwih (ē - ĕ - wĭ), example found in Ezekiel 24:24

יֲהוָה - Yahwah (ē - ă - wä), example found in Psalm 144:15


The variation "Yahweh" is not one of the seven.



The bottom line is this, the Rabbi's arbitrarily changed the Hebrew language so the people of the world would not know God's name.


Yahshuah or Yahshua is fine. We should keep his real name out of respect.


Yah.

Exodus 23:21.Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.


Yah is the short form of God’s personal name Yahwah, used about fifty time in the Old Testament.
Yah-wah / Yah-shua

Psalm 68:4. Sing to Elohiym, sing praise to His name, extol Him who rides on the clouds His name is Yah and rejoice before Him.

John 5:43.I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.

The best evidence is that his proper name was "y'shua". But Galileans always dropped their 'ayins', hence "y'shu" for which in the talmud many Jewish people use as an acronym meaning “may his name be blotted out”.
The name Jesus is an unknown word that was invented. In the NIV Exhaustive Concordance you will find the name Joshua along with the name Jesus. In English the name Joshua is pronounced Jah/ shoo/ ah. We do know as a matter of fact that “Jah” is for “Yah” in Hebrew and English.
The assignment of the vowels in Hebrew are arbitrary, in order to hide his real name. This is also true of God’s own personal name which is Yahwah.
The Orthodox Jews believe that it is their duty to conceal God’s personal name from the public.
So if you wish to use the Messiah’s real name in English that would be “Yahshua.”
Numbers 13:16 (Moses gave Hoshea son of Nun the name Joshua.)


Why did Moses give Hosea the name Joshua? (Yahshua)

I come in the name of Yahwah.

Psalm 118:26
Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.) From the house of (the Lord / Yahwah) we bless you.

Matthew 23:39
For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”

Luke 13:35
Look, your house is left to you desolate. I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of (the Lord / Yahwah.)’”


Yahwah means "Life Began." Yah is God's first name. God is "Life." There should be no letter or vowel to separate God's first and last name.

Yahshua means "Yah's Salvation." There should be no letter or vowel to separate Christ first and last name.

As you may know, the letters in the Greek and Hebrew are ran together in the text writings.


Brown-Driver-Briggs
יָהּ50 proper name, of deity contracted from יהוה, first appears in early poems; Exodus 15:2 עָזִי וְזִמְרָת יָהּ My strength and song is Yah (cited Isaiah 12:2; Psalm 118:14), compare the poetic extract יָד עַל כֵּס יָהּ = hand to the throne of Yah Exodus 17:16 (E), the song of Hezekiah Isaiah 38:11 (repeated by dittography), (א)שׁ להבת יה (so read in preference to the ᵑ0 שַׁלְהֶבֶתְיָה) = flame of fire from Yah Songs 8:6; ביה יהוה Isaiah 26:4 (והיה sustained by Aq and the rhythmical movement, unless it be a mistake for שׁמו, compare Psalm 68:5), יה אלהים Psalm 68:19. Elsewhere יָהּ is used only in late Psalms, especially in the Hallels, in the phrase הַלֲלוּיָֿהּ praise ye Yah Psalm 104:35; Psalm 105:45; Psalm 106:1; Psalm 106:48; Psalm 111:1; Psalm 112:1; Psalm 113:1; Psalm 113:9; Psalm 115:18; Psalm 116:19; Psalm 117:2; Psalm 135:1; Psalm 135:3; Psalm 135:21; Psalm 146:1; Psalm 146:10; Psalm 147:1; Psalm 147:20; Psalm 148:1; Psalm 148:14; Psalm 149:1; Psalm 149:9; Psalm 150:1; Psalm 150:6, compare also יהלל יה Psalm 102:19 יהללו יה Psalm 115:17 תהלל יה Psalm 150:6 (see הלל); in variant reading other phrases Psalm 77:12; Psalm 89:9; Psalm 94:7; Psalm 94:12; Psalm 115:18; Psalm 118:5 (twice in verse); Psalm 118:17; Psalm 118:18; Psalm 118:19; Psalm 122:4; Psalm 130:3; Psalm 135:4.


#1. People do have more than one name.
#2. Adam and Eve knew God's name as Yahwah, but over time it was forgotten.

Exodus 6:3
I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name (the LORD / Yahwah) I did not make myself fully known to them.

Genesis 4:1. 4 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of (the Lord / Yahwah) I have brought forth a man.”


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Christ can choose to answer or not.
Repeat posts, on identical matters, by one poster in a short period of time is not in line with the rules, I think you will find.
 
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Repeat posts, on identical matters, by one poster in a short period of time is not in line with the rules, I think you will find.
You must take great joy in trying to cause me trouble. Your actions reveal your spirit.
 
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You must take great joy in trying to cause me trouble. Your actions reveal your spirit.

Quite the opposite - just advising you so that you are aware and do not fall foul of a Moderator! What is wrong with that? I thought believers were supposed to look after each other - do you not agree?

Most people simply 'Bump' their thread!

PS I have NOT reported it to any one, that's not my job!
 
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Quite the opposite - just advising you so that you are aware and do not fall foul of a Moderator! What is wrong with that? I thought believers were supposed to look after each other - do you not agree?

Most people simply 'Bump' their thread!

PS I have NOT reported it to any one, that's not my job!
Thanks for the PM.
 
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Joshua

Theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes have corresponding forms where the letters "eh"' have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ) into Jo (יוֹ), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name. With the Tetragrammaton, some theophoric names begin with the first two consonants, other names take only the first and the third letters from the Tetragrammaton and build them into the syllable "yo" at the beginning of a name (Yoab, Yoram, Yoyakim, Yoel, Yonathan).

Theophoric name: Theophoric name - Wikipedia
 
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