The seven kings

shilohsfoal said:

Yes I understand In detail what I post.
But you come across as a troll.

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To answer your request about the seal of GOD

Revelation 7:2
And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3
Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:4
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

It appears that this Seal is very important to GOD and us
Ezekiel 20
19 I am the Lord your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.

The Sabbath commandment contains elements not contained in any of the other commandments. It states the name of the Lawgiver (LORD), His territory (heaven and Earth), and His title (Creator). These three components comprise what is known as a seal, and lend authority to the law. The Ten Commandments gain their validity only from the royal seal of the Creator God embodied in the Sabbath commandment.

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In ancient times, kings were required to ratify decrees or commands with the royal seal (1 Kings 21:8). Without a royal seal, no law would be valid. Moreover, even with a royal seal, a law is only valid in the area of the king’s jurisdiction. For example, Canadian law is not applicable in Switzerland. So in a sense, it can be said that without a seal, no law would be valid anywhere. The law of the Ten Commandments is no different.

in Ezekiel 9 the six angels with slaughtering weapons represented by six men can began their work of slaughter only after the angel with the writer's inkhorn has finished his work of setting a mark (seal) upon the foreheads of God's people.

shilohsfoal said:

Its not hard to find in the bible.
First you try to find it.If you can't then I will help you.But I would like to at least see an effort on your part.

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I found it now it is your turn to share with me you understanding of the seal of GOD

shilohsfoal said:

Five that were falling.
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Persia
Greece
The one that is
Rome
The one that would come and continue a short space
Great Britain

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Why did you pick these countries?
Is there a verse that states these are the identities?

shilohsfoal said:

Revelation 17:10 KJV: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five that were falling.
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Persia
Greece
The one that is
Rome
The one that would come and continue a short space
Great Britain

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What about the Ptolemaic, Seleucid, Arabic, Byzantine, Catholic/Crusades, and Ottoman empires? Those ruled over the regions as well, but are never included in people's calculation.

I think Rev 17:10 is referring to Roman emperors, though we could debate over exactly which one's he's referring to. It depends on when the book was written.

If it was written in the late 60's AD, then the "one who is" was likely either Nero or Vespasian, and the one who "was to come" was likely either Vespasian or Titus. So the first in the list is either Julius or Augustus.

If it was written in the 90's AD near the reign of Domitian, then the "one who is" is probably Titus, and the one "who was to come" was probably Domitian. The list then would start with Nero and include the year of 4 emperors.

shilohsfoal said:

Revelation 17:10 KJV: And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Five that were falling.
Egypt
Assyria
Babylon
Persia
Greece
The one that is
Rome
The one that would come and continue a short space
Great Britain

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The ONE THAT IS TO COME is not Great Britain.

Its a MAN. The leader of Europe.

Yekcidmij said:

What about the Ptolemaic, Seleucid, Arabic, Byzantine, Catholic/Crusades, and Ottoman empires? Those ruled over the regions as well, but are never included in people's calculation.

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Rome suffered the Mortal Wound, they dispersed Israel, there can be NO BEAST with NO ISRAEL in the land, thus the Mortal Wound. God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones (See Ezekiel) and thus for might near 2000 years they were as dead unto Him until 1948. Then He breathed life back into them, thus from 70-125 AD unto 1948 there could be NO BEAST hence Great Britain is not a Beast nor is the Ottoman Empire nor was anyone a BEAST because Israel was a DEAD !!

The LAST BEAST only rules for 42 Months, once he Conquers Jerusalem, hence the Mortal Wound of the FIGURATIVE BEAST is Healed !!

Revealing Times said:

God saw Israel as Dead Men's Bones (See Ezekiel) and thus for might near 2000 years they were as dead unto Him until 1948.

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Ezekiel seems to be referring to the return from the Babylonian exile, not something in 1948.

Revealing Times said:

2000 years they were as dead unto Him until 1948.

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Israel repented and became a believing nation in 1948?

Revealing Times said:

The ONE THAT IS TO COME is not Great Britain.

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who was the king during Johns time?

"They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while."

claninja said:

Israel repented and became a believing nation in 1948?

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No, God turned His face back unto Israel and re-birthed them as a nation in 1948. Just like Ezekiel prophesied he would.

claninja said:

who was the king during Johns time?

"They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while."

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Its not really that important who the FIVE Kings are when we understand why God REDUCED the Seven Heads or Kingdoms to Kings so that we would understand the LAST BEAST is a mere man who never is preceded by a King nor has a successor. Thus the Five were just the ones in power when the Kingdoms lost Dominion, since Rome's Mortal Wound has more to do with them dispersing Israel than with them losing their Dominion, which they eventually did many years after 70-125 AD, then that's a little more complex, but its mostly irrelevant who it was anyway, the point is the Last Beast is a MAN, not a Kingdom which is passed down as is the case in most Kingdoms.

The Little Horn/Anti-Christ will Conquer Jerusalem thus becoming the Beast and will be defeated by Jesus at the 7th Vial and cast into hell. (Daniel 7:11 and Revelation 19:20 both agree.) Lets just say Rome was the Fourth Beast and there would have been a King that eventually fell so to speak, or there was a King at the head when the Beast ceased being a Beast because it dispersed Israel all around the world.

Then the LAST KING will be ONE MAN, he will be unlike all the rest in that he will both start the Beast Kingdom and be the Beast at the helm when the Beast Kingdom is destroyed.

Yekcidmij said:

Ezekiel seems to be referring to the return from the Babylonian exile, not something in 1948.

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This is just not the case, some people try to say this but it just doesn't fit, most people understand it is about the END TIMES. There are many factors in play.

Israel was not as Dead men's bones unto God at that time, He placed then in Babylonian captivity because he wanted to correct them. Daniel and others still prayed unto God. And God via Gabriel his messenger still had words for Israel, thus they were never as Dead men's bones to God while in Babylon, everyone knew the captivity was only for 70 years. Then God brought them back unto their homeland like He had stated He would do many years before. So this was not God turning his back on Israel. This was correction, like we correct a child. When we disown a child we kick them out of the house for good, when we correct them we ground them or set down new parameters.

In 70-125 AD that was God turning His back on Israel, they were as Dead Men's Bones for almost 2000 years, the very scriptures in Ezekiel back this up.

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

This is CLEARLY END TIMES !! God says he will put his Spirit in them. He will gather them from whither soever they are gone unto. He says they will be ONE NATION with ONE GOD. He says they will never serve idols again nor transgress against Him. God says he will CLEANSE THEM (Blood of Jesus of course) and place a KING over them named David (Jesus of course) and that they will WALK IN HIS STATUTES !!

God also says they will dwell in this land he gave unto Jacob his servant, and that Israel will remain there FOREVERMORE !! Well we know that couldn't have been 2500 years ago because Israel was later dispersed around the world (2000 years ago) so it doesn't fit. They did not walk in Gods statutes, they served false gods, they of course were not CLEANSED BY God, and Jesus is not their King yet, he will be shortly during the 1000 year reign, and forevermore after that in Heaven.

So my brother the facts say this has to be an END TIME EVENTS, not an event that happened in Babylon 2500 years ago.

Revealing Times said:

most people understand it is about the END TIMES.

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How do you calculate "most" and why is that important to you?

There are many factors in play.

1.) Israel was not as Dead men's bones unto God at that time, He placed then in Babylonian captivity

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Which Israel...the Northern Kingdom or Southern one?

because he wanted to correct them. Daniel and others still prayed unto God. And God via Gabriel his messenger still had words for Israel, thus they were never as Dead men's bones to God in Israel, everyone knew there captivity was for 70 years. Then God brought them back unto their homeland like He had stated He would do many years before. So this was not God turning his back on Israel.

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This seems largely incoherent. He mentions Judah and Joseph in Eze 37, and Ezekiel himself is writing his entire book about Judah going into Babylonian exile, then returning to a great restoration of a unified Israel. The context about the Babylonian exile seems pretty clear to me.

Ezekiel 37:11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.



Ezekiel 37:21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

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At this point you're just quoting and highlighting text. I can do the same.

This is CLEARLY END TIMES !!

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It's clearly the return from Babylonian exile.

God says he will put his Spirit in them. He will gather them from whither soever they are gone unto.

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Yep.

God also says they will dwell in this land he gave unto Jacob his servant, and that Israel will remain there FOREVERMORE !! Well we know that can't be 2000 years ago because was dispersed around the world 2000 years ago.

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I think Israel's promised inheritance was the entire earth, and that was was realized in Jesus. Jesus is Lord over all.

They did not walk in Gods statutes, they served false gods, they of course were not CLEANSED BY God, and Jesus is not their King yet,

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What about those who followed Jesus?

he will be shortly during the 1000 year reign, and forever and ever after that in Heaven.

So my brother the facts say this has to be END TIME EVENTS, not 2000 years ago.

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I disagree. I think Jesus is Lord now and in the future.

shilohsfoal said:

Those never ruled over a nation called "Israel".Israel didn't exist during those kings.

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I dunno, that looks like a weak argument, short on details and ignoring of the historical empires that ruled the region for the purposes of advancing a particular theological position. Technically, since it does seem you want to get technical, there was no "Israel" after the Assyrian conquest. Upon the return to Jerusalem allowed by the Persians, they weren't called "Israel," they were only referred to as "Judah" or "Judea."

And it may be hard to say that the Persians, Ptolemy's, Seleucids, or Romans really ruled "Israel" (if we allow for a moment calling them Israel) since there was no Israel political system apart from the appointments by those empires (excluding a time of independence for the Hasmoneans). There certainly wasn't a legitimate Davidic king (though I would argue that Zerubbabel may have ruled as king for a short time), and the high priests were of serious questionable legitimacy after Onias IV (they were probably straight-up illegitimate, but there is interesting political intrigue in those stories).

At least you could say that Assyria and Babylon dominated the region while Israel and Judah existed independently for some time. But then again, that was also the case for various times when Egypt and Hattusa were the dominant powers, but those weren't included in the calculus either.

So I dunno, history is messy.

Yekcidmij said:

How do you calculate "most" and why is that important to you?

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As in most............as in the vast majority................as in 90 percent of Christendom. This is a basic tenet of Christianity.

Yekcidmij said:

Which Israel...the Northern Kingdom or Southern one?

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Read Ezekiel 37 and I will not have to tell you that. You can't have ONE NATION as the prophecy speaks of with two nations. Read the prophesy of the sticks in Ezekiel 37 also, they go hand in hand.

Yekcidmij said:

This seems largely incoherent. He mentions Judah and Joseph in Eze 37, and Ezekiel himself is writing his entire book about Judah going into Babylonian exile, then returning to a great restoration of a unified Israel. The context about the Babylonian exile seems pretty clear to me.

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Or it does not fit your narrative so you have to disagree maybe? That sounds more like it. You seem to not understanding it has to be an END TIME PROPHECY, by way of the prophetic word. God never turned His back on Israel until they rejected Jesus Christ. Then God gave the mantel of the Gospel unto the Gentiles.

Yekcidmij said:

At this point you're just quoting and highlighting text. I can do the same.

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Or you just can't rebut.

Yekcidmij said:

It's clearly the return from Babylonian exile.

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No it is not, anyone can see that Israel never accomplished the things that are prophesied for them after they are brought back to life, either you can't grasp this scripture or it just is not coming to you yet. We do not all receive at the same time, that just God at times.

Yekcidmij said:

Yep.

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But Israel REJECTED GOD/Christ 2000 years ago.........What can I say. That means the prophecy can not have come to pass 2000-2500 years ago.

Yekcidmij said:

I think Israel's promised inheritance was the entire earth, and that was was realized in Jesus. Jesus is Lord over all.

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No, its a certain area in Canaan and because of disobedience (they did not kill every man woman and child like God commanded) they did not possess all the land. But they will. But its not all of the earth either.

Yekcidmij said:

What about those who followed Jesus?

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Israel was BLINDED IN PART....They still rejected God as a Nation. All Israel will be saved, but not every Jew. That means Israel repents just before the Day of the Lord. See Malachi 4:5-6

Yekcidmij said:

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He is Lord now to us who invite him in, Satan is the Lord of this world or god of this world as scriptures say. Jesus is not Israel's Lord/Messiah, but he will be shortly, when they repent.

No. Judah became Israel. The Jews are referred to as the children of Israel, (Dan 1:3) and Daniel refers to Israel as my people, Daniel 9

19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God;

There are lots of other examples.

Yekcidmij said:

I dunno, that looks like a weak argument, short on details and ignoring of the historical empires that ruled the region for the purposes of advancing a particular theological position. Technically, since it does seem you want to get technical, there was no "Israel" after the Assyrian conquest. Upon the return to Jerusalem allowed by the Persians, they weren't called "Israel," they were only referred to as "Judah" or "Judea."

And it may be hard to say that the Persians, Ptolemy's, Seleucids, or Romans really ruled "Israel" (if we allow for a moment calling them Israel) since there was no Israel political system apart from the appointments by those empires (excluding a time of independence for the Hasmoneans). There certainly wasn't a legitimate Davidic king (though I would argue that Zerubbabel may have ruled as king for a short time), and the high priests were of serious questionable legitimacy after Onias IV (they were probably straight-up illegitimate, but there is interesting political intrigue in those stories).

At least you could say that Assyria and Babylon dominated the region while Israel and Judah existed independently for some time. But then again, that was also the case for various times when Egypt and Hattusa were the dominant powers, but those weren't included in the calculus either.

So I dunno, history is messy.

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