LDS Quote:“I testify...at an incalculable price, the Savior earned..."

Rescued One · Dec 30, 2017

“I testify that with unimaginable suffering and agony at an incalculable price, the Savior earned His right to be our Redeemer, our Intermediary, our Final Judge” (“The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2006, 42).

Why would a person not wake up and search the Bible to see if that quote is true?

faroukfarouk · Dec 30, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
“I testify that with unimaginable suffering and agony at an incalculable price, the Savior earned His right to be our Redeemer, our Intermediary, our Final Judge” (“The Atonement Can Secure Your Peace and Happiness,” Ensign or Liahona, Nov. 2006, 42).

Why would a person not wake up and search the Bible to see if that quote is true?

The answer is in passages such as Isaiah 53.

Rescued One · Dec 30, 2017

Isaiah 53 is a beautiful testament to God's mercy!

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Ironhold · Dec 30, 2017

Remember, at that time Jesus was still both divine and human, and as a human he still had that moment of choice.

Rescued One · Dec 31, 2017

Jesus gave us eternal life. We don't have to earn it and He most certainly had to earn nothing.

1 Chronicles 29
14But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee. 15For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding. 16O LORD our God, all this store that we have prepared to build thee an house for thine holy name cometh of thine hand, and is all thine own. 17I know also, my God, that thou triest the heart, and hast pleasure in uprightness. As for me, in the uprightness of mine heart I have willingly offered all these things: and now have I seen with joy thy people, which are present here, to offer willingly unto thee.

Peter1000 · Jan 1, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Isaiah 53 is a beautiful testament to God's mercy!

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Isaiah 53 sure sound like Jesus earned his right to be our savior????

What would have happened in the garden of Gethsemane if he had given in to his temptation not be be brutally tortured and brutally crucified? There was a moment when he wanted the cup removed. What if he had walked away from that crucifixion? Would he have lost everything, including his Godhood?

Rescued One · Jan 1, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Isaiah 53 sure sound like Jesus earned his right to be our savior????

What would have happened in the garden of Gethsemane if he had given in to his temptation not be be brutally tortured and brutally crucified? There was a moment when he wanted the cup removed. What if he had walked away from that crucifixion? Would he have lost everything, including his Godhood?

He wouldn't give in to Satan. God's godhood can't be lost.

Peter1000 · Jan 2, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
He wouldn't give in to Satan. God's godhood can't be lost.

Jesus did not give into temptation, and he did go to the cross, and so it is all an interesting discussion what would have come of him if he had not.

Rescued One · Jan 2, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Jesus did not give into temptation, and he did go to the cross, and so it is all an interesting discussion what would have come of him if he had not.

Jesus/God doesn't sin and never sinned and never would have.

BigDaddy4 · Jan 2, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Isaiah 53 sure sound like Jesus earned his right to be our savior????

What would have happened in the garden of Gethsemane if he had given in to his temptation not be be brutally tortured and brutally crucified? There was a moment when he wanted the cup removed. What if he had walked away from that crucifixion? Would he have lost everything, including his Godhood?

Then Jesus would not be God, nor our Savior.

Peter1000 · Jan 3, 2018

BigDaddy4 said:
Then Jesus would not be God, nor our Savior.

You are right. Isn't it wonderful that Jesus made the final decision to go completely through with his mission and to die horribly on the cross. It took a God to withstand the tortures of Gethsemane, and the tortures of the Romans, and finally the torture on the cross. No ordinary man could have done it. Only Jesus. Thank you Jesus.

Peter1000 · Jan 3, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Jesus/God doesn't sin and never sinned and never would have.

He did not sin because he made up his mind not to sin. He was not born to be sinless. If he had been born to be pure and sinless, he could not judge us fairly. He had to understand temptation and the pressures it puts on mortals. Not having that pressure would have limited his ability to judge. But he went through a normal manhood, and proved that we can also be sinless, but our sinlessness will come from repentance and forgiveness and the grace of Jesus himself.

Rescued One · Jan 3, 2018

Peter1000 said:
He did not sin because he made up his mind not to sin. He was not born to be sinless. If he had been born to be pure and sinless, he could not judge us fairly. He had to understand temptation and the pressures it puts on mortals. Not having that pressure would have limited his ability to judge. But he went through a normal manhood, and proved that we can also be sinless, but our sinlessness will come from repentance and forgiveness and the grace of Jesus himself.

God is ALWAYS sinless! You don't understand that God has always been holy. His holy nature causes Him to resist temptation. Of course, He was born to be sinless, otherwise He wouldn't have been the PERFECT sacrifice.

Only Jesus' blood makes us clean, not we ourselves nor any of our works.

1 Corinthians 15
9For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

Rescued One · Jan 3, 2018

Peter1000 said:
You are right. Isn't it wonderful that Jesus made the final decision to go completely through with his mission and to die horribly on the cross. It took a God to withstand the tortures of Gethsemane, and the tortures of the Romans, and finally the torture on the cross. No ordinary man could have done it. Only Jesus. Thank you Jesus.

There is only ONE GOD. He loves us and died for us. His Holy Nature kept and keeps Him from sinning!

Jane_Doe · Jan 4, 2018

faroukfarouk said:
The answer is in passages such as Isaiah 53.

Psst: LDS firmly believe Isaiah 53. It's a great section of scripture!

Peter1000 · Jan 5, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
There is only ONE GOD. He loves us and died for us. His Holy Nature kept and keeps Him from sinning!

If Jesus was born with a divine nature, and that is what stops you from sinning, that is called a 'crutch'. Jesus didn't need a 'crutch' to help him not sin. He used his own 'will' to not give in to temptation. We all have 'wills', ours has to develope to approach the 'will' of Jesus.

From the beginning he hated iniquity, and loved righteousness, not because he was born that way, but because he willed it that way. He has always done his Fathers will. He subjected his will to the will of the Father and because he did that he received his Godhood even before this earth was created. He then was in a position to come to earth and save us from our sins and judge us, because he knew exactly what we have gone through.

If he had been born with a crutch and because of that crutch, could not be able to sin, he could not judge us who were born with no crutch and sinned.

Rescued One · Jan 5, 2018

Peter1000 said:
If Jesus was born with a divine nature, and that is what stops you from sinning, that is called a 'crutch'. Jesus didn't need a 'crutch' to help him not sin. He used his own 'will' to not give in to temptation. We all have 'wills', ours has to develope to approach the 'will' of Jesus.

From the beginning he hated iniquity, and loved righteousness, not because he was born that way, but because he willed it that way. He has always done his Fathers will. He subjected his will to the will of the Father and because he did that he received his Godhood even before this earth was created. He then was in a position to come to earth and save us from our sins and judge us, because he knew exactly what we have gone through.

If he had been born with a crutch and because of that crutch, could not be able to sin, he could not judge us who were born with no crutch and sinned.

He willed what was holy because He was holy! That was His nature.

Luke 1 NASB
35The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

Peter1000 · Jan 5, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
He willed what was holy because He was holy! That was His nature.

Luke 1 NASB
35The angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called the Son of God.

If you are holy, you don't have to will anything to be holy. It was Jesus's will that fought the fight, not his crutch of automatic holiness and sinlessness. He had to fight, just like we fight, he won his fight, and I hope that I can win my fight and sit with him in his throne. If he did not have to fight, he could not judge us that do. He would not know how, and his judgement would not be righteous. But because he fought the good fight and won, he knows our battle and he knows if we have won our fight or not. He can now judge righteously.

Rescued One · Jan 7, 2018

Jesus has always been holy! Your problem is believing He wasn't always God. He did NOT EARN Godhood. It can't be achieved or earned.

fatboys · Jan 7, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Jesus has always been holy! Your problem is believing He wasn't always God. He did NOT EARN Godhood. It can't be achieved or earned.

Then how could he be an example giving us hope that we can become like him by following in his footsteps

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