Acts 2:38.....
Well, you actually are wrong on all counts as according to Exodus 22:16:
And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.
Therefore, that girl in high school whose name I can't recall who was drinking wine with me is actually my wife, and has been for the last 30 odd years.
And I have some Scripture examples for you, also:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
And...
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over justice and the love of God: these ought you to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
My situation, and myself, are far from perfect. I am working, in prayer and by Scripture, to deal with eggs that are already scrambled. If you have a method of placing them back to yolk and white, and reinsert them back into the shell, please share.
In first response to your Exodus quote, reread Exodus 22:16, then read verse 17. This is what happens when you cherry pick. You miss key events, words, and phrases, etc.
Notice the order: a man and woman have sex, he pays the dowry, and if her father agrees, they get married. The act of sex did not create a marriage. The penalty was to force marriage, but the woman's father could say "no" to the marriage.
Therefore, a man having sex with a prostitute doesn't make him married to the prostitute.
In a second response to the Exodus verses and your first "one night stand", Does having sex with someone mean you are married?
Or is it a covenant between two people (man and women) as stated in Malachi 2:14 for example?
Mal 2:14= "Yet ye say, Wherefore?
Because the Lord hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy
covenant."
Matthew 1:24-25, Joseph was still Mary's husband and they were indeed married eventhough Joseph had not "known" her yet, just as he was commanded.
I do not know why you quoted the other verses for me
. I never claimed perfection of myself, if that is what you are implying. You asked for scriptural advice and I simply gave some.
You mentioned past events and I also gave scriptural advice on those as well. Isn't that what a Christian should do for someone who openly asks out to all?
Scripture states the only cause of divorcing is that someone is unfaithful and has bedded with another. Then and only then can one divorce. If you wish for the scripture quotes I will be more than happy, but it sounds like you know already.
You are also incorrect in this statement, and very provably so in 1 Corinthians 7:14-15
14 For the unbelieving husband is set apart for God Otherwise your children would be corrupt, but now they are set apart for God. 15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him leave. A brother or a sister is not bound in such cases. God has called you to live in peace.
If you care to bruise me with Scriptures, please do them justice, and not by omission of those that are clearly spelled out, in principle, in my original posting.
You misunderstand what is happening in chapter 7 of 1 Cor.
Start from the beginning at verses 1-2 of Chpt 7.
"1 Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."
Most people have a sex drive (in reference to v.1-2). If you want to have sex, you have to get married. If you want to get married, you have to accept that God placed restrictions on the exit from a marriage. For most people, the acceptance of God's command is a must. If a eunuch wants to avoid marriage because he doesn't want to be tied to one woman for life, he certainly may do so. There are some so dedicated to the kingdom, such as Paul, that marriage was never a consideration. The command restricting marriage for life wasn't for people not interested in marriage and if they don't want to marry, they don't have to (in reference to verses 7-8). But for those who want to have sex [able to accept it],
they must accept the terms God gave (in reference to v.9).
So that brings you back full circle to what the scripture says here in Matthew 19:9
"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Me, being a concerned Christian, did not want you to fall to sins. You mentioned that in the past you were married. You then said it was hard to be alone, which to me, implies that you intend on remarrying when you find another women to love. As a concerned Christian, looking at the statements you gave about your past, I pried into a situation you may not have thought about, being as that you mentioned [or so I thought] that you were not a Christian at the time of the first marriage. Your statement of "before salvation", had to be corrected as far as the first marriage went, if it was for a divorce other than Matthew 19:9 states.
By the way, so there is no confusing that myth of "its okay to divorce the non christian simply for being so"....
Who is Jesus talking to in Matthew 19? Christians or non Christians?
As this relates, here is what another Christian said:
"It is fallacious to hold that if 1 Corinthians 7:15 relates to a Christian married to a non-Christian, Matthew 19:9
must refer exclusively to a Christian married to a Christian. Matthew 19:9 was uttered
in context to a group of Jews who were seeking an answer to
their question concerning
Jewish divorce (Matthew 19:3). Jesus gave them an answer that was intended for them—as well as for all those who would live during the Christian age. He appealed to Genesis 2 which resides in a pre-Jewish context and clearly applies to
all men—the totality of humanity. Genesis 2 is a human race context. It reveals God’s ideal will for human marriage for all of human history—pre-Mosaic, Mosaic, and Christian. Though divorce and remarriage for reasons other than fornication was “allowed” (though not endorsed—Matthew 19:8) during the Mosaic period, Jesus made clear that the Jews had strayed from the original ideal because of their hard hearts. He further emphasized (notice the use of
δε [“but”] in Matthew 19:8-9) that the original marriage law, which permitted divorce and remarriage for fornication alone, would be reaffirmed as applicable to
all persons during the Christian age. Prior to the cross, ignorance may have been “unattended to” (Acts 17:30), that is, God did not have a universal law, as is the Gospel (Mark 16:15-16), but with the ratification of the New Testament, all men everywhere are responsible and liable for conforming themselves to God’s universal laws of marriage, divorce, and remarriage." - Dave Miller phd
Never was my intent to "bruise you", but as a caring, loving (agape), concerned Christian would be, I advised you of your situation, since it was you who asked the community of Christians for advice.
Yes, however the way one deals with such crisis as a non-believer versus a believer should be significantly different. If you or I want advice on how to dump an unfaithful tramp, get my groove back, and sport the next hot number I met at the club around town, there are plenty of sports and music related forums to get that from.
I was hoping for a POV from a better crowd.
Again, you came to everyone here for advice. We didn't pry in and give it to you without your asking.
So can we have a real conversation? Or are you reduced to insults?
