How to know if you have the Holy spirit..

After further consideration, I defer to Paul1149's statement below.

visionary said:

Whenever I would read this verse, I would say to myself “So all I have to do is say that ‘Yeshua is Lord,’ and Voile! This is proof that I have the Holy Spirit?” Too simplistic... there has to be more to this than just saying "Yeshua is the Lord"

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The context of the statement is the manifestation gifts of the Holy Spirit, not ordinary conversation. The flesh can say anything, even the most holy things, and it means little with regard to sincerity. But when a spirit is manifesting itself in prophetic utterance, Paul is giving a grid by which we can judge what is behind what is going on.

paul1149 said:

The context of the statement is the manifestation gifts of the Holy Spirit, not ordinary conversation. The flesh can say anything, even the most holy things, and it means little with regard to sincerity. But when a spirit is manifesting itself in prophetic utterance, Paul is giving a grid by which we can judge what is behind what is going on.

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Excellent! Why I hadn't noticed that yet is beyond me, but it is correct.

Thanks.

Thank you, @Hidden In Him ! BTW, I'm really enjoying reading Anna Rountree's visitations. There's a lot of spiritual encouragement in them. Blessings.

paul1149 said:

Thank you, @Hidden In Him ! BTW, I'm really enjoying reading Anna Rountree's visitations. There's a lot of spiritual encouragement in them. Blessings.

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Looks like I'll definitely be adding you as a friend then.

visionary said:

The Aramaic Peshitta reveals something that we cannot see in the King James Version:

1st Qorinthiym (Corinthians) 12:3 (Aramaic Peshitta) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of Elohiym says Yahuwshuwa is a curse, and no one is able to say that Yahuwshuwa is Master YHWH except by the Ruwach ha’Qodesh (Holy Spirit).

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First, I totally agree with Paul1149's explanation. Second, what version are you quoting here that uses "Yahuwshua" instead of "Yeshua"? Third, the Aramaic word translated "Master YHWH" in your version is "marya", not "Mar YHWH". Marya is the emphatic form of "lord/master" and nothing more as any Aramaic scholar without an agenda to prove Yeshua is YHWH will tell you. Yes, it was used as a SUBSTITUTE in the Aramaic OT for "YHWH", but that is simply using the same false method of dealing with the Tetragrammaton that the Greek uses by substituting "Lord/Kurios" or that the English uses by substituting "the LORD" for "YHWH".

paul1149 said:

The context of the statement is the manifestation gifts of the Holy Spirit, not ordinary conversation. The flesh can say anything, even the most holy things, and it means little with regard to sincerity. But when a spirit is manifesting itself in prophetic utterance, Paul is giving a grid by which we can judge what is behind what is going on.

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Before we all sit back and and say, 'of course, that's it', I would want to question why this response is about 'a spirit'? What 'spirit' are we talking about? We should not assume that, because any old spirit give some sort of utterance that seems prophetic, it is the voice of HaShem! We only ever deal with the Ruach Hakodesh - the Holy Spirit - not the multitude of 'other' spirits, that are covered by 'a spirit'.

This is like saying that Yeshua is a God - implying there are many other G_ds, and he is just one of them. The detail of what we write, say and believe is so important!

visionary said:

1st Corinthians 12:3 (KJV) Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

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How about the first part? And what does it have to do with idols?

1 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
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anathema-- a curse, a cursed thing, a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

properly, a thing set up or laid by in order to be kept; specifically a votive offering, which after being consecrated to a god was hung upon the walls or columns of his temple, or put in some other conspicuous place

This shows that Paul was trying to explain to the heathens how Jesus was different from their former way of honoring the 'gods'.

It also might shed light on why we shouldn't have pictures or crucifixes hung upon walls.

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Lulav said:

How about the first part? And what does it have to do with idols?

1 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed.
2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols.
3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
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anathema-- a curse, a cursed thing, a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.

properly, a thing set up or laid by in order to be kept; specifically a votive offering, which after being consecrated to a god was hung upon the walls or columns of his temple, or put in some other conspicuous place

This shows that Paul was trying to explain to the heathens how Jesus was different from their former way of honoring the 'gods'.

It also might shed light on why we shouldn't have pictures or crucifixes hung upon walls.

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I wasn't posting about Visionary's OP. The point I was making is that 'a spirit' cannot prophesy - only the Ruach Hakodesh is able to do that. Therefore, to speak of 'when a spirit is manifesting itself in a prophetic utterance.' is not correct.

Heber Book List said:

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I wasn't posting about Visionary's OP. The point I was making is that 'a spirit' cannot prophesy - only the Ruach Hakodesh is able to do that. Therefore, to speak of 'when a spirit is manifesting itself in a prophetic utterance.' is not correct.

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HUH? I was answering the OP, not even read your post.

Heber Book List said:

I wasn't posting about Visionary's OP. The point I was making is that 'a spirit' cannot prophesy - only the Ruach Hakodesh is able to do that. Therefore, to speak of 'when a spirit is manifesting itself in a prophetic utterance.' is not correct.

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Don't false prophets prophesy by "a spirit" other than the Ruach Hakodesh? It seems the "spirit" in 1 Kings 22:21 was Satan and it was he who was behind the false prophets of 1 Kings 22:6.

My bad - I thought you had read the posts and was responding to mine, just above yours :-(

gadar perets said:

Don't false prophets prophesy by "a spirit" other than the Ruach Hakodesh? It seems the "spirit" in 1 Kings 22:21 was Satan and it was he who was behind the false prophets of 1 Kings 22:6.

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The thread is about knowing whether we have the Holy Spirit, or not, we can test the spirits by looking to see if their prophecy comes to pass. Only the prophecies of the Ruach HaKodesh are true - all other spirits are false prophets.

Heber Book List said:

The thread is about knowing whether we have the Holy Spirit, or not, we can test the spirits by looking to see if their prophecy comes to pass. Only the prophecies of the Ruach HaKodesh are true - all other spirits are false prophets.

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I was only addressing your statement, "The point I was making is that 'a spirit' cannot prophesy - only the Ruach Hakodesh is able to do that." (underlining mine). The Ruach Hakodesh certainly provides the only true prophecies, but as 1 Kings 22 shows, other spirits can prophesy as well.

Possibly some confusion when Vis didn't capitalize "Spirit" in the Thread Title ...
Assumed every MJ understood the author meant "Holy Spirit", but unlike a posted reply in a thread the author of the Thread Title isn't able to go back and edit/correct a typo error once a Thread Title is posted.
Your above reply was with respect to paul1149's #3 post shown below ...
My take away when paul1149 says: "But when a spirit is manifesting itself in a [supposed] prophetic utterance" it's anything but the Holy Spirit. What is uncertain/confusing in his last sentence is when he says the "grid" by which today's MJs can judge/discern what is behind (Holy Spirit or a spirit) what is going on."

Wasn't the ultimate "grid" during the time of the Apostles determined by the supernatural Gift of Discernment? So, shouldn't we assume the Apostles could distinguish a Prophecy from the Holy Spirit vs a prophecy of a spirit via their supernatural Gift of Discernment?

So, paul1149s so-called "grid" by which the Apostles were able to judge whether a prophecy was prompted by the Holy Spirit or a spirit from another [supposed] 1st Century Jewish follower of Mashiach Yeshua was only possible via the supernatural Gift of Discernment.

If there are some MJs today that believe these supernatural Gifts are no longer in operation then what is the "grid" by which today's Messianic Jews can discern (ahead of time) whether a prophecy today is from the Holy Spirit, their own spirit or a spirit? For the majority of MJs doesn't Messianic Judaism believe that the supernatural Gift of Prophecy is no longer manifested today via the Holy Spirit and therefore any so-called "prophecy" today is prompted by the Believer's own spirit or a [unclean] spirit, not the Holy Spirit.

Is there any good reason why today's Messianic Jewish Believers in Mashiach Yeshua shouldn't believe that the supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit including the Gift of Prophecy and the Gift of Discernment are still in operation today?

A prophecy, by Biblical definition, must be true - there is no such thing as a false prophecy, it is just just an utterance by a nobody that only fools take to be a word from G_d.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (CJB)
20 First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
21 for never has a prophecy come as a result of human willing — on the contrary, people moved by the Ruach HaKodesh spoke a message from God.

2 Peter 1:20-21 (AMPC)
20 [Yet] first [you must] understand this, that no prophecy of Scripture is [a matter] of any personal or private or special interpretation (loosening, solving).
21 For no prophecy ever originated because some man willed it [to do so—it never came by human impulse], but men spoke from God who were borne along (moved and impelled) by the Holy Spirit.

AbbaLove said:

If there are some MJs today that believe these supernatural Gifts are no longer in operation then what is the "grid" by which today's Messianic Jews can discern (ahead of time) whether a prophecy today is from the Holy Spirit, their own spirit or a spirit? For the majority of MJs doesn't Messianic Judaism believe that the supernatural Gift of Prophecy is no longer manifested today via the Holy Spirit and therefore any so-called "prophecy" today is prompted by the Believer's own spirit or a [unclean] spirit, not the Holy Spirit.

Is there any good reason why today's Messianic Jewish Believers in Mashiach Yeshua shouldn't believe that the supernatural Gifts of the Holy Spirit including the Gift of Prophecy and the Gift of Discernment are still in operation today?

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I know for a fact the gift of prophecy still exists today or at least it did up until 1976 when a prophecy was given to our congregation. We were having a Wednesday evening prayer session with a visiting Pastor from the USA. I was living in St. Croix, USVI at the time. I had also recently accepted the Sabbath, but was still attending my evangelical, charismatic Christian church. I was getting a lot of heat from the leadership about how wrong I was during the preceding weeks.

During prayer that evening, this Pastor got up and started prophesying. He said, not in these exact words, that God is giving our church the key they need to lock the back door and that it would be delivered by one young in the Lord. Then he said it would not be a work for salvation, but because of salvation. At that moment I broke down in tears because I knew the Almighty was referring to the Sabbath and me. That prophecy spoke directly to my heart and confirmed that my decision to keep the Sabbath holy was correct. Sadly, though, the prophecy fell on deaf ears as far as the leadership was concerned. They kicked me out of the church a few days later because (in their minds) I had fallen from grace. They turned me over to Satan for the destruction of my flesh. So much for the love gospel they were preaching.

I have no reason to believe the gift of prophecy continues even today as well as all other gifts. The Almighty may be using them less or using them at times when most of us do not see them, but they are still for today. In fact, I would venture to say they will be poured out on believers once again after the latter rain comes down on a future Shavuot.

visionary said:

The Aramaic Peshitta reveals something that we cannot see in the King James Version:

1st Qorinthiym (Corinthians) 12:3 (Aramaic Peshitta) Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of Elohiym says Yahuwshuwa is a curse, and no one is able to say that Yahuwshuwa is Master YHWH except by the Ruwach ha’Qodesh (Holy Spirit).​

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gadar perets said:

... what version are you quoting here that uses "Yahuwshua" instead of "Yeshua"?

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Vis's scripture is by Maria Merola including: "The Aramaic Peshitta reveals something that we cannot see in the King James Version:" and can be found toward the bottom of her blog page ... Double Portion Inheritance: The Oneness of the Father & the Son Versus Trinitarianism
She then says:
She also states in her blog: