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The facts. If you read any English translation of the Jewish Hebrew Bible you will find "priest" used frequently. It was not the Christians who inserted priest into the Old Testament. For example, here is Leviticus - Leviticus 1 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

How Both New Testament “Presbyters” and Old Testament “Cohenim” Became “Priests” in English
Despite the fact that the word “priest” originates from the New Testament presbyter, and that that word has no immediate, etymological connection to the ministry of the Old Covenant — these Hebrew ministers came to be called “priests” in English, and in fact there is no other word in English that can adequately be applied to them or what they did.

Thus from the very beginning in English, Christian ministers — the presbyters of the New Testament — became known as prēostas (priests) — the term simply being adopted from Latin biblical and ecclesiastical language.
 
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The fact is that there are two perfectly fine Greek words for priest which are translated as such in the New Testament. Neither of these words are episkopoi or presbyteroi. In most English translations of the Bible episkopoi is either transliterated as bishops or translated as overseers and presbyteroi is translated as elders. Both words are used interchangeably with each other.
 
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The fact is that there are two perfectly fine Greek words for priest which are translated as such in the New Testament. Neither of these words are episkopoi or presbyteroi. In most English translations of the Bible episkopoi is either transliterated as bishops or translated as overseers and presbyteroi is translated as elders. Both words are used interchangeably with each other.

So the information in that article is true, but it is interpreted wrongly? Like what is your issue with what that catholic article claimed?

What about the claims they make about how priest is used originally and how kohen became called priests?


For cause of this thing Y lefte thee at Crete, that thou amende tho thingis that failen, and ordeyne preestis bi citees, as also Y disposide to thee. (Titus 1:5)

And the preest schal brenne tho on the auter, in to the fedyng of fier, and of the offryng to the Lord. (Leviticus 3:11)
 
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So the information in that article is true, but it is interpreted wrongly? Like what is your issue with what that catholic article claimed?

What about the claims they make about how priest is used originally and how kohen became called priests?

The information in the article is inacurate and intentionally misleading. The new testament does discuss priests. The two Greek words for priest are accurately translated in the New Testament as priest. As I stated in my previous post neither presbyter nor episkopos is translated as priest because neither word means priest.

The Catholic Church traditionally has attempted to link its religious hierarchy to the Old Testament Levitical priesthood. There is no such connection made in the New Testament, nor is there anything resembling the Catholic religious system. Sometimes an attempt is made to relate it to Melchizedek, as in Hebrews, but that is utterly absurd as any reading of Hebrews will reveal. Now the attempt is made to assert that modern priests somehow evolved over centuries from biblical elders. That is sheer nonsense.
 
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The information in the article is inacurate and intentionally misleading. The new testament does discuss priests. The two Greek words for priest are accurately translated in the New Testament as priest. As I stated in my previous post neither presbyter nor episkopos is translated as priest because neither word means priest.

The Catholic Church traditionally has attempted to link its religious hierarchy to the Old Testament Levitical priesthood. There is no such connection made in the New Testament, nor is there anything resembling the Catholic religious system. Sometimes an attempt is made to relate it to Melchizedek, as in Hebrews, but that is utterly absurd as any reading of Hebrews will reveal. Now the attempt is made to assert that modern priests somehow evolved over centuries from biblical elders. That is sheer nonsense.

Is the facts false or they use facts in wrong ways? A lot of the internet has fake news, like Jewish conspiracy theories.
 
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Is the facts false or they use facts in wrong ways? A lot of the internet has fake news, like Jewish conspiracy theories.

False facts. They assert that there is a connection between presbyter and priest when the only connection lies in their own imagination.
 
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False facts. They assert that there is a connection between presbyter and priest when the only connection lies in their own imagination.

Is this false facts?

The word "priest", is ultimately derived from Greek, via Latin presbyter,[1] the term for "elder", especially elders of Jewish or Christian communities in Late Antiquity. It is possible that the Latin word was loaned into Old English, and only from Old English reached other Germanic languages via the Anglo-Saxon mission to the continent, giving Old Icelandic prestr, Old Swedish präster, Old High German priast. Old High German also has the disyllabic priester, priestar, apparently derived from Latin independently via Old French presbtre. The Latin presbyter ultimately represents Greek presbyteros, the regular Latin word for "priest" being sacerdos, corresponding to Greek hiereus.
Priest - Wikipedia
 
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Is it bibical to say the Bible has a unique meaning of priest?

People in general use priest to mean any clergy.
Depends on what parts of the Bible you are reading. In the Old Covenant their is the Aaronic, Levitical, Melchezedek priesthoods.

In the New Covenant Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the Melchezedek priesthood. THe Aaronic and Levitical priesthoods were until Christ, now He is the sacrifice and Christ has made each of His Children a Priest in His Priesthood.

So you need to know what you are reading in the Bible and how it fits into the timeline of covenants.
 
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Now the attempt is made to assert that modern priests somehow evolved over centuries from biblical elders. That is sheer nonsense.

I think it's quite clear that contemporary priests are the successors to Biblical elders; in a line of ordination, hands on head, from very earliest times. The role has evolved, as the church has grown and developed, but the connection remains.
 
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Depends on what parts of the Bible you are reading. In the Old Covenant their is the Aaronic, Levitical, Melchezedek priesthoods.

In the New Covenant Jesus Christ is the High Priest and the Melchezedek priesthood. THe Aaronic and Levitical priesthoods were until Christ, now He is the sacrifice and Christ has made each of His Children a Priest in His Priesthood.

So you need to know what you are reading in the Bible and how it fits into the timeline of covenants.

How do you debunk those claims?
 
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Priest - Wikipedia

Yes. How many times do I need to tell you that presbyter is a Greek word? It was not in the Latin vocabulary of the first century. Latin had different words for priest. The New Testament was written in Greek. The Latin translation was made by Jerome centuries later and is not useful for anything other than if one reads Latin of his era today.

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1. Greek has two words which are correctly translated as priest.
2. Neither of those two words is presbyter or episkopos.
3. The Greek (not Latin) word presbyter is translated as elder and never as priest in the New Testament.
4. The Greek word episkopos is transliterated as bishop in the New Testament and sometimes translated as overseer, but never as priest.
 
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How do you debunk those claims?
What's to debunk?

Jesus is the High Priest and since there is no more animal blood sacrifice for sin (after Jesus since He is the permanant atonement), now all His Children are the priesthood.

Jesus words, not mine.
 
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What's to debunk?

Jesus is the High Priest and since there is no more animal blood sacrifice for sin (after Jesus since He is the permanant atonement), now all His Children are the priesthood.

Jesus words, not mine.

The claims they make about how the terms used to be used.
 
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The claims they make about how the terms used to be used.
There is a progression and timeline to the Bible. To ignore that is to not understand what God has been teaching us all throughout history.

The entire Old Testament foreshadowed Christ and so there were God put into place priesthoods to temporarily atone for sins before and leading up to the promised Messiah.

There is nothing that is a contridiction in that. That is the way that the Lord had instructed the Israelite's to temporarily atone for their sin. Now since Jesus death, we have the Lamb of God. The permanant atonement so the priesthood (Levitical and Aaronic) are no longer needed to make temporary sin atonement. We, as Christ's Own go right to the throne room and Christ for forgiveness.

It's a change in the way that we relate to God because Christ has lived and died before we are born. If we had lived in the time of the Old Testament, our sins would have been atoned for through the Old Covenant priesthood.

Does that make sense?
 
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There is a progression and timeline to the Bible. To ignore that is to not understand what God has been teaching us all throughout history.

The entire Old Testament foreshadowed Christ and so there were God put into place priesthoods to temporarily atone for sins before and leading up to the promised Messiah.

There is nothing that is a contridiction in that. That is the way that the Lord had instructed the Israelite's to temporarily atone for their sin. Now since Jesus death, we have the Lamb of God. The permanant atonement so the priesthood (Levitical and Aaronic) are no longer needed to make temporary sin atonement. We, as Christ's Own go right to the throne room and Christ for forgiveness.

It's a change in the way that we relate to God because Christ has lived and died before we are born. If we had lived in the time of the Old Testament, our sins would have been atoned for through the Old Covenant priesthood.

Does that make sense?

I meant what the article says-do you think it is false?

I don't think a title means anything it's following God that truly matters.
 
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I meant what the article says-do you think it is false?

I don't think a title means anything it's following God that truly matters.
I didn't claim to read the article. If you want to copy and paste a snippet I will look at it but I don't read every article posted here or my brain would be jello. Garbage in - garbage out.

I was talking about why there is a priesthood, specifically from the tribe of Levi in the Old Testament and now in the New Testament all people who believe in Christ are the priesthood.
 
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I didn't claim to read the article. If you want to copy and paste a snippet I will look at it but I don't read every article posted here or my brain would be jello. Garbage in - garbage out.

I was talking about why there is a priesthood, specifically from the tribe of Levi in the Old Testament and now in the New Testament all people who believe in Christ are the priesthood.

What is your view on kohanim-does that go against abolishing sacrifices in the old testament? Kohen - Wikipedia
 
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What's to debunk?

Jesus is the High Priest and since there is no more animal blood sacrifice for sin (after Jesus since He is the permanant atonement), now all His Children are the priesthood.

Jesus words, not mine.
That is how I view it according to Jesus and the author of Hebrews, so I tend to agree with you scripturally.

Luke 5:37 'And no one doth put new wine into old skins, and if otherwise, the new wine will burst the skins, and itself will be poured out, and the skins will be destroyed

Hebrews 7:12 For being changed/translated the Priesthood, out of necessity also, of Law a change is becoming
Hebrews 8:13 in the to be saying `New, He hath made old the first.
The yet being aged and being obsolete, nigh of disappearance


Revelation 5:10 And didst make them, unto our God, a kingdom and priests,--
and they reign on the earth.
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