Universal Reconciliation is still unscriptural.

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John 5:25. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.

1 Peter 3:18-19. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
And BOOM! There it is. Thank you!

Please don't be offended by this. I would really love to hang in here with you guys. But your posts are too long for me to swallow. Perhaps, I'll just tap on a few things here and there. Peace.
The Reader's Digest version of it (and every thread like it, it seems) is that walls of text are presented which seem to support the concept of a vengeful, incompetent deity, as well as walls of text which seem to support the concept of a loving and
very competent deity, who also comes as advertised (Savior of the world).

Personally, I go with the latter, and call it a day. :)
 
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John 5:25. Very truly I tell you, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live.
1 Peter 3:18-19. For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Please don't be offended by this. I would really love to hang in here with you guys. But your posts are too long for me to swallow. Perhaps, I'll just tap on a few things here and there. Peace.
Certainly is unfortunate that some people are offended by quoting a few verses of scripture. As I keep saying anyone can prove almost anything by quoting selective scripture out-of-context. Unfortunately Jn 5:25 does not prove that Jesus speaks to the dead in the grave/hell.
John 5:25-29
(25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(26) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
(27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Vs. 29 does not say "And shall come forth; ...they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, then Jesus will save them all." I wonder why Jesus forgot the important words that everyone would be saved no matter what?
.....And I have said numerous times re: 1 Pet 3:18-19, The grave/hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell anywhere in the Bible. In Luk 4:18 Jesus states what His earthly ministry was, it includes preaching deliverance to the captives. The Greek word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war."

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
I cannot find one verses which says Jesus' ministry included preaching to dead souls and they are reconciled.
 
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And BOOM! There it is. Thank you!
The Reader's Digest version of it (and every thread like it, it seems) is that walls of text are presented which seem to support the concept of a vengeful, incompetent deity, as well as walls of text which seem to support the concept of a loving and very competent deity, who also comes as advertised (Savior of the world).
Personally, I go with the latter, and call it a day.
There it ain't! Please see my post immediately above.
 
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(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Vs. 29 does not say "And shall come forth; ...they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, then Jesus will save them all." I wonder why Jesus forgot the important words that everyone would be saved no matter what?
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Damnation (Jn.5:29) is a poor translation after the KJV & its clones tradition. Many versions say "judgement" instead. Judgement is a good thing:

"My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness." (Isa.26:9)
The Lord is acquainted with the rescue of the devout out of trial, yet is keeping the unjust for chastening in the day of judging. (2 Pet.2:9)

Jn. 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Jn.4:42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

Jn.12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me."

Jn 12:47 I do not judge anyone who hears my words and does not keep them, for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

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https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf


1 Jn.2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."
 
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Certainly is unfortunate that some people are offended by quoting a few verses of scripture. As I keep saying anyone can prove almost anything by quoting selective scripture out-of-context. Unfortunately Jn 5:25 does not prove that Jesus speaks to the dead in the grave/hell.
John 5:25-29
(25) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
(26) For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
(27) And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
(28) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Vs. 29 does not say "And shall come forth; ...they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation, then Jesus will save them all." I wonder why Jesus forgot the important words that everyone would be saved no matter what?
.....And I have said numerous times re: 1 Pet 3:18-19, The grave/hell is never called prison and prison is never called the grave/hell anywhere in the Bible. In Luk 4:18 Jesus states what His earthly ministry was, it includes preaching deliverance to the captives. The Greek word translated "captives" literally means "prisoners of war."

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
I cannot find one verses which says Jesus' ministry included preaching to dead souls and they are reconciled.
Jesus said, "I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." Revelations 1:18.

Jesus is the life of the dead. And He holds the keys to death and Hades. This clearly indicates that the dead can be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:12. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
 
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Damnation (Jn.5:29) is a poor translation after the KJV & its clones tradition. Many versions say "judgement" instead. Judgement is a good thing:
Funny how every verse which clearly disproves UR is translated wrong according to you but, how fortunate you can always find the "correct" translation over at tents-я-us.
KJV John 5:29
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.κρίσις/krisis
Krisis according to the Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich Greek Lexicon of the NT
κρίσις [ ῐς], εως, b. The word oft. means judgment that goes against a person, condemnation, and the punishment that follows ( Sib. Or. 3, 670) GP 7:25. dissh;n e{xousin th;n kr. they will receive double punishment 2 Cl 10:5. hJ kr. sou your judgment Rv. 18:10 . kajkeivnoi" kr. ejstivn judgment comes upon them, too ISm 6:1. foberav ti" ejkdoch; krivsew" a fearful prospect of judgment Hb 10:27 ( Iambl. , Vi. Pyth. 30, 179 a reference to the kr. tw`n yucw`n serves to arouse fovbo" t. ajdikiva"). hJ kr. aujtou` h[rqh his punishment was taken away Ac 8:33 ; 1 Cl 16:7 (both Is 53:8 ). uJpo; krivsin pivptein come under judgment Js 5:12 ; cf. 2:1 3a, b. hJ kr. th`" geevnnh" being punished in hell Mt 23:33 ( gen. as Diod. S. 1, 82, 3 qanavtou kr. =punishment by death). kr. katav tino" upon , against someone ( Aelian , V.H. 2, 6) poih`sai krivsin kata; pavntwn execute judgment upon all Jd 15 ( En. 1, 9).—( Opp. zwhv) e[cei zwh;n aijwvnion kai; eij" kr. oujk e[rcetai J 5:24 ( cf. Philip [= Demosth. 12, 16] eij" kr. ejlqei`n). ajnavstasi" zwh`" — ajnavstasi" krivsew" vs. 2 9. krivsi" tou` kovsmou touvtou judgment of (or upon ) this world 12:3 1; cf. 16: 8, interpreted as a judgment on the prince of this world 16:11 ( cf. 12:31 b; IQM 1, 5; but s. also LJLutkemeyer, CBQ 8, ’46, 225 f ‘good judgment’, and BNoack, Satanas
u. Soteria ’48, 79; also s. on dikaiosuvnh 2, end).—In 3:19 kr. has in addition to the senses ‘judgment’ and ‘condemnation’ the clear connotation of ‘separation, division’ (Hecataeus [320 BC ] in Diod. S. 40, 3, 2 Dind. krivsi" tw`n kakw`n =‘separation fr. the evils’.—A double sense as in J is found in Artem. 5, 5 krithv" =‘judge’ and ‘divider’). The ‘judgment’, which is operative here and now, consists in the fact that men divide themselves into those who accept Christ and those who reject him ( Hdb. ; Bultmann).— Pl. judgments, punishments ( Diod. S. 1, 75, 2; Appian , Bell. Civ. l, 96 §446 krivsei" pikraiv =severe punishments) ajlhqinai; kai; divkaiai aiJ krivsei" sou Rv 16:7 ; 19:2 .— Bousset, Rel. 3 257 ff ; LRuhl, De Mortuorum Judicio ’03; JBlank, Krisis (J), diss. Freiburg, ’64.
A Greek-English Lexicon Gingrich & Danker
Krisis according to the Liddell, Scott, Jones Lexicon of Classical Greek
κρίσις [ ῐς], εως, ἡ, (κρίνω)[/size[
I 1. separating, distinguishing, τοῦ πλέω καὶ τοῦ μὴ πλέω Meliss. 7; τῶν ὁμοιογενῶν, τῶν διαφερόντων, dub. l. in Arist. EN 1165a34....
II
1. judgement of a court, οὐδὲν ἂν τῆς ὑμετέρας κ. ἔδει Antipho 4.4.2; trial, suit, προκληθέντας ἐς κρίσιν περί τινος Th. 1.34; καθιστάναι ἑαυτὸν ἐς κ. ib. 131; κρίσιν ποιεῖν τινι Lys. 13.35; κρίσεως τυχεῖν to be put on one's trial, Pl. Phdr. 249a; εἰς κ. ἄγειν Id. Lg. 856c; ἡ κ. γίγνεταί τινι ibid.; κρίσιν ὑποσχεῖν ib. 871d, D. 21.125; τὰς κρίσεις ποιεῖσθαι περί τινος Isoc. 4.40, cf. Th. 1.77; τὰς κ. διαδικάζειν Pl. Lg. 876b; κρίσιν λελογχότα Μειδίᾳ ἐξούλης Test. ap. D. 21.82; αἱ κ. τῶν συμβολαίων Plu. 2.447e. result of a trial, condemnation, X. An. 1.6.5. ἡμέρα κρίσεως Day of Judgement, Mat_10:15.
NET Joh 5:29
(29) and will come out — the ones who have done what is good to the resurrection resulting in life, and the ones who have done what is evil to the resurrection resulting in condemnation.
NIV Joh 5:29
(29) and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.
ISV Joh 5:29
(29) and will come out—those who have done what is good to the resurrection that leads to life, and those who have practiced what is evil to the resurrection that ends in condemnation.
Matthew 10:15
(15) Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, [κρίσις/krisis] than for that city.

Matthew 11:22
(22) But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment [κρίσις/krisis], than for you.

Matthew 23:33
(33) Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation [κρίσις/krisis] of hell?

Mark 3:29
(29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:[κρίσις/krisis]

2 Peter 2:9
(9) The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment [κρίσις/krisis] to be punished:

Jude 1:15
(15) To execute judgment [κρίσις/krisis] upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
 
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Jesus said, "I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades." Revelations 1:18.
Jesus is the life of the dead. And He holds the keys to death and Hades. This clearly indicates that the dead can be saved.

1 Corinthians 15:12. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
Anyone can prove almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context. You quote from Rev. chapter 1. lets look at the end of the book. In Rev. 21:4 God speaking says "there shall be no more death." Vs. 5 the one on the throne says "Behold, I make all things new". "No more death,""all things new" but in vs. 8 there are several groups being thrown into the lake of fire which is the second death. Vss. 5 through 8 are a continuous narrative.
Revelation 21:4-8
(4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
(5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
(6) And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
(7) He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
(8) But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
 
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Funny how every verse which clearly disproves UR is translated wrong according to you but, how fortunate you can always find the "correct" translation over at tents-я-us.
KJV John 5:29
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.κρίσις/krisis

John 5:29 disproves universalism? Dream on.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

1 Jn.2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."
 
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To whom is 1 Cor. written?
1 Corinthians 1:2
(2) To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours:
To the "church of God in Corinth" and specifically "his holy people". That is the context of the entire letter.

That doesn't stop it from talking *about* other peoples, other churches, angels, demons, false teachers, prostitutes, drunks, Apollos, Peter, all mankind & many other topics that are not talking *about* the "church of God which is at Corinth". Does it? Obviously not. So how are your quoted verses of 1 Corinthians 1-2 relevant to the topic?


In the passage which you are quoting parts out-of-context Paul says "we are co-workers in God's service; God's field, God's building."

There is no mention of such in all these verses of 1 Corinthians 3:

10b But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

That says "every man", not "every saint", not "every believer", not "every church member", not "every Christian", not "everyone of us", and not "every labourer", etc.

Paul is not saying that all mankind are "
co-workers in God's service"


Verses 16-17 of the context immediately following v.15 speaks of those who are not saved in 17a:

(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

Compare:

1 Cor.5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

And therefore, in context, 3:15 is also referring to those who are not saved, but become saved "as by fire".



All mankind are not co-workers in God's service, building on the foundation of Jesus Christ, vs. 11.

Verse 11 says that "no one" can lay any foundation other than the one that has been laid which is Jesus Christ. The words "no one" are not limited to the saints in Corinth, but refer to all mankind. This is the last reference identifying any group of people in the next several verses leading up to v.15. Thus the most immediate prior context reference and the more immediate following context both support the view that v.15 refers to the unsaved being saved.

All mankind does not have the spirit of God dwelling in them. Vss. 13-15 cannot be saying all mankind will be saved when vs. 17 says that any man who defiles the temple of God will be destroyed not saved.

The destroyed can be saved, as Corinthians clearly shows:

1 Cor. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Cor. 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Jesus is the Light that lightens every man (Jn.1:9). Human beings were made in God's image & likeness. They are temples made by God:

Acts 17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens...
24...[the] Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;...25...
he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;... 28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God...


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"...it doesn't say what most evangelizers of hopelessness want it to say in that regard either."

"It is false, he maintained, to translate that phrase as "everlasting punishment," introducing into the New Testament the concept found in the Islamic Quran that God is going to torture the wicked forever."
 
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KJV John 5:29
(29) And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.κρίσις/krisis
Krisis according to the Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich Greek Lexicon of the NT

18 versions here say judgement, only 7 say something else:

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Judgement is a good thing:

"My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness." (Isa.26:9)

The Lord is acquainted with the rescue of the devout out of trial, yet is keeping the unjust for chastening in the day of judging. (2 Pet.2:9)
 
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Mark 3:29
(29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:[κρίσις/krisis]


That is another misleading translation.

Young's Literal Translation
but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;' (Mk.3:29)

All sins shall be forgiven:

28 Verily, I am saying to you that all shall be pardoned the sons of mankind, the penalties of the sins and the blasphemies, whatsoever they should be blaspheming,



 
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That is another misleading translation.
Young's Literal Translation
but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;' (Mk.3:29)
All sins shall be forgiven:
28 Veily, I am saying to you that all shall be pardoned the sons of mankind, the penalties of the sins and the blasphemies, whatsoever they should be blaspheming,
Where is it written that Robert Young, a self taught Bible "scholar," is a pontiff who must be obeyed to the exclusion of all other scholars? This is known as cherry picking, find something, written by somebody, somewhere and tout that writing as the end all, be all authority.
You are reading your proof text wrong. It does not say that all sins will be forgiven to all men.

NIV Mark 3:29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."
Translated by Dan Wallace a real Greek scholar, who has stood and delivered to earn his PhD, and who has taught graduate level Greek for 30+ years.
•– Tertullian [a.d. 145-220] II. The Five Books Against Marcion. Book IV.
Chap. XXVIII. After deterring His disciples from denial of Himself, He adds an admonition to fear blasphemy: “Whosoever shall speak against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him.” (Luk_12:10) Now, if both the remission and the retention of sin savour of a judicial God, the Holy Ghost, who is not to be blasphemed, will belong to Him, who will not forgive the blasphemy; just as He who, in the preceding passage, was not to be denied, belonged to, Him who would, after He had killed, also cast into hell.
•– Cyprian [A.D. 200-258.] Treatise XII. — Three Books of Testimonies Against the Jews. Third Book
28. That remission cannot in the Church be granted unto him who has sinned against God (i.e., the Holy Ghost).
In the Gospel according to Matthew: “Whosoever shall say a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world nor in the world to come.” (Mat_12:32) Also according to Mark: “All sins shall be forgiven, and blasphemies, to the sons of men; but whoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, but he shall be guilty of eternal sin.” (Mar_3:28, Mar_3:29) Of this same thing in the first book of Kings: “If a man sin by offending against a man, they shall pray the Lord for him; but if a man sin against God, who shall pray for him?” (1Sa_2:25)
•– Archelaus [A.D. 277.] The Acts of the Disputation with the Heresiarch Manes
31. But if a man dealt thus with the Holy Spirit, He made him subject to two curses, - namely, to that of the law of Moses, and to that of His own law; to the law of Moses in truth in this present life, but to His own law at the time of the judgment: for His word is this: “It shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Mat_12:32) There is the law of Moses, thus, that in this world gives pardon to no such person; and there is the law of Christ that punishes in the future world.
•– Tatian The Diatesseron Section XIV.
31. And he said also, Every one that speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world tocome.

 
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18 versions here say judgement, only 7 say something else: . . .
Irrelevant! "Versions" are meaningless without the scholarship behind the translation. And you prove this every time you reject a majority of translations which disprove UR.
 
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31. And he said also, Every one that speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
"World" in that passage is "age" (aion). Evidently there's more than one age/world to come (see Ephesians 2:7's mention of the plural "coming ages" -- again, "aion", same word). So while it might not be forgiven in the world/age to come, it could very well be forgiven in the world/age coming after that.
 
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ClementA said:
That doesn't stop it from talking *about* other peoples, other churches, angels, demons, false teachers, prostitutes, drunks, Apollos, Peter, all mankind & many other topics that are not talking *about* the "church of God which is at Corinth". Does it? Obviously not.
Total nonsense and you know it. How did Paul's immediate audience understand 1 Cor 3:9-17? They did not have umpteen years of indoctrination in UR, they were not looking for proof text vss. to pull out-of-context to support UR. They would certainly have understood that vss. 9-12 was referring to them the Christians at Corinth, Paul uses the first person pronoun "we" then the second person pronoun "you." Would they have understood that Paul then suddenly, with no indication, in vss. 13-15, Paul is now talking about all mankind? Then suddenly again in vss. 16-17 Paul is talking about them again, the Christians at Corinth.

1 Corinthians 3:9-17
(9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
(10) According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
(11) For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(12) Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(13) Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(14) If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(15) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Note in vss. 16-17 Paul uses the second person pronoun "you" not a third person pronoun "they." Does Paul suddenly switch from the second person, vs. 16, to the third person, vs. 17?
 
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"World" in that passage is "age" (aion). Evidently there's more than one age/world to come (see Ephesians 2:7's mention of the plural "coming ages" -- again, "aion", same word). So while it might not be forgiven in the world/age to come, it could very well be forgiven in the world/age coming after that.
"Could very well be forgiven" in some imagined second or third "aion" beyond the present one is hardly a scriptural certainty, and not stated in scripture anywhere. Please see how the early church understood these verses in my [link: post #33] above.
 
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"Could very well be forgiven" in some imagined second or third "aion" beyond the present one is hardly a scriptural certainty, and not stated in scripture anywhere. Please see how the early church understood these verses in my [link: post #33] above.
The early church apparently didn't take into consideration the fact that there would be more than one world/age to come.
 
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The early church apparently didn't take into consideration the fact that there would be more than one world/age to come.
The ECF were native Greek speakers and lived 100s of year nearer the time the NT was being lived out and written. Maybe they had a much better knowledge of the Greek than people today who know virtually nothing about Greek. Some folks must rely on their teachers and pastors who often interject their own assumptions/presuppositions into the scripture.
 
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