Thank you God

Galatea · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
With God anything is possible right, so I don't see why he can't find any other way.

His way is the best way, and the only way.

God is Holy, and Just- along with being Mercy and Love. His mercy and love do not negate His holiness and justice.

This is the way to satisfy all attributes of God, and is really elegant when you think about it. How else could all attributes of Him be satisfied? If everyone were saved- holiness and justice would be transgressed. If no one were saved and we were all consigned to Hell, love and mercy would be transgressed.

The salvation that is offered to all through Christ Jesus is the only way to satisfy all of God's attributes.

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

Galatea said:
Read the Bible! Yes, they focused on Hell.

In regards to total depravity, I think we need to go back to the Bible. After all, it does not matter what I think, you think, we all think. What matters is what does the Bible say?

Romans 3:10-20

"As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one: there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit: the poison of asps is under their lips: whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: their feet are swift to shed blood: destruction and misery are in their ways: and the way of peace have they not known: there is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now we know that whatsoever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin

The above is the BAD news. The severity of God a user talked about.

Now below is the GOOD news:

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God set forth to be a propititiation through faith in His blood to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? Nay, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Maybe they were wrong, since they all had different views of hell.

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

Galatea said:
His way is the best way, and the only way.

God is Holy, and Just- along with being Mercy and Love. His mercy and love do not negate His holiness and justice.

This is the way to satisfy all attributes of God, and is really elegant when you think about it. How else could all attributes of Him be satisfied? If everyone were saved- holiness and justice would be transgressed. If no one were saved and we were all consigned to Hell, love and mercy would be transgressed.

The salvation that is offered to all through Christ Jesus is the only way to satisfy all of God's attributes.

Who knows, you may still end up there.

Do you see how that works.

Galatea · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Who knows, you may still end up there.

Do you see how that works.

I know without a shadow of a doubt I will not. Not because I am good, because I am not. But because He is good and He has promised to save all those who place their faith in Him.

Salvation is not a "hope so" it is a "know so".

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

Galatea said:
I know without a shadow of a doubt I will not. Not because I am good, because I am not. But because He is good and He has promised to save all those who place their faith in Him.

Salvation is not a "hope so" it is a "know so".

You know that you are saved, but believe in Jesus?

Galatea · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
You know that you are saved, but believe in Jesus?

II Timothy 1:12 "For which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I KNOW WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day."

I know because I have believed.

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

Galatea said:
I know without a shadow of a doubt I will not. Not because I am good, because I am not. But because He is good and He has promised to save all those who place their faith in Him.

Salvation is not a "hope so" it is a "know so".

Galatea,

Galatea said:
II Timothy 1:12 "For which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I KNOW WHOM I HAVE BELIEVED, and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto Him against that day."

I know because I have believed.

So you are saying you know Jesus? Well good for you, that is better than believing in something you can't see.

Serving Zion · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Do I have to except that I am a rotten, horrible, vile, awful, sinful creature first before I can be saved?

Really?

The Holy Spirit does not speak that way.

"Do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits, whether they are of God, for many false teachers have gone into the world".

"This is how the world will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another".

"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love".

Do not be surprised, Chris, to find that many Christians in churches do not know God, for God is love.

The way that you are speaking and what you are saying conveys that you have been hurt by what such evil spirits have said to you, as you have believed that these ones were speaking on behalf of God.

It is sad, Chris, that we become so traumatised, bruised and distanced from God through these experiences of life, yet do keep in mind that He does want to be known in truth (John 4:24), and we who know this through having awoken to that reality, are dedicated to serving Him as He would act through us, to heal and bring in those who are hurting.

.. so, do not believe every spirit, and work out your own salvation in fear and trembling, for the false teachers will come to you in sheep's clothing, although inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Galatea · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
Galatea,

So you are saying you know Jesus? Well good for you, that is better than believing in something you can't see.

Yes, I know Him. I have known Him since I was 12, but known about Him my whole life.

Godlovesmetwo · May 14, 2017

Serving Zion said:
Do not be surprised, Chris, to find that many Christians in churches do not know God, for God is love.

And beware of those who do proclaim to know Him well, because they are either delusional or even deliberately lying. None of us can say for sure we know God's intention. We can only interpret the Word of God

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

Galatea said:
Yes, I know Him. I have known Him since I was 12, but known about Him my whole life.

Does what you've known your whole life fit in with the Jesus of the bible, because the great spirit that I have experienced doesn't.

This spirit (Entity) that has created the universe and set the laws of physics in motion is a strange spirit indeed. It does not seem fussed about how many issues I have, it seems to approach me in a completely unconventional way. It is noticeable to me that I am more than lucky, even when I call out to the limited Gods of man it still approaches me without a disdain that I am focused on the wrong concepts.

It's as if there is a community behind the walls of our reality that are building bridges in our society so we may join them after death.

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
And beware of those who do proclaim to know Him well, because they are either delusional or even deliberately lying. None of us can say for sure we know God's intention. We can only interpret the Word of God

What's it like to be wary of your fellow man but say you love them all the same?

Godlovesmetwo · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
What's it like to be wary of your fellow man but say you love them all the same?

I'm learning that the word "love" is much more complex than we think. Love the person behind the bad behaviour for example? Feel sympathy for them that they are being manipulated by Satan and totally unaware of it.

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
I'm learning that the word "love" is much more complex than we think. Love the person behind the bad behaviour for example? Feel sympathy for them that they are being manipulated by Satan and totally unaware of it.

Godlovesmetwo · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:

Love Brene Brown but haven't seen that one. A little puzzled by her sympathy examples and I might argue that sometimes we want sympathy rather than empathy.
Still, you really on the ball.....for a young guy,....early twenties? none of my business?

chriscomplex · May 14, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
Love Brene Brown but haven't seen that one. A little puzzled by her sympathy examples and I might argue that sometimes we want sympathy rather than empathy.
Still, you really on the ball.....for a young guy,....early twenties? none of my business?

I am in my 40's.

Godlovesmetwo · May 14, 2017

chriscomplex said:
I am in my 40's.

thanks for that.
I saw brene brown when attending Uni, doing a counselling course. I was hooked straight away. She is like a stand up comedian. her talk on vulnerability/authenticity was excellent too.

Galatea · May 14, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
And beware of those who do proclaim to know Him well, because they are either delusional or even deliberately lying. None of us can say for sure we know God's intention. We can only interpret the Word of God

This is wrong, biblically. We can know God. If we do not know Him, we are doomed.

Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."

John 10:26-29 "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

And I give them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

My Father which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I and my Father are one."

To go to Heaven, you must know Jesus. There is no other way.

It is trite, but true. No Jesus, No Life. Know Jesus, Know Life.

Serving Zion · May 14, 2017

bettercallpaul said:
And beware of those who do proclaim to know Him well, because they are either delusional or even deliberately lying.

OP, I wish to inform you that this is not consistent with scripture. Scripture plainly states that God is knowable, and records a long history of people misrepresenting Him (eg Jeremiah 29:31).

Experience has shown me that when a Christian speaks against the reality of knowing God, that one is making excuses for not having a close relationship with God (see 1 John 1:6), which means that they have departed from following their conscience and they carry guilt that is not atoned for. We who speak faithfully of our relationship with God have a natural effect of offending that one's jealousy, though we are innocent, because all that a human craves for is to be at peace with God.

In terms of who you should trust, certainly I do echo the effect of this poster, to beware (Jeremiah 9:3-6).

Even St. Paul describes that there is a gentleness in way The Holy Spirit speaks, that although we do plainly speak of hard truths, we do so such that is innocent in God's sight - and, as though we are speaking for God Himself:

But as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the gospel, even so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God who tests our hearts. For neither at any time did we use flattering words, as you know, nor a cloak for covetousness—God is witness. Nor did we seek glory from men, either from you or from others, when we might have made demands as apostles of Christ. But we were gentle among you, just as a nursing mother cherishes her own children.
1 Thessalonians 2:7-8

St. Jude writes too, that some are eager to gain followers by flattery:

These are grumblers, complainers, walking according to their own lusts; and they mouth great swelling words, flattering people to gain advantage.
Jude 1:16

.. yet, a Christian who speaks for The Holy Spirit will always lead the person to have a right relationship with Christ. If you ever do find yourself in a situation where two Christians are offering contending views, then do keep this in mind! .. Where is the one intending to lead you, and is that where you are wanting to go?

Godlovesmetwo · May 14, 2017

Serving Zion said:
OP, I wish to inform you that this is not consistent with scripture

I'm saying the ones who say they know Him well, probably don't. But I can quite believe that some Christians know Him well. Usually the ones that don't proclaim it.

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