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So is the Muslim praying in a government function trying to impose their beliefs on you?
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As Christians, we understand that Islam is a idolatrous, false religion which leads many millions into Hell for eternity, right?
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Is Islam the only one? Any religion that does not believe in the Christ, His birth, His life, His resurrection, is an idolatrous, false religion which leads many millions into Hell for eternity, right?
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OK
Then to be consistent in what you have said you shouldn't want anyone praying in a government function except a Christian. If that is how you feel I can understand that.
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I'm an American citizen, AND a Christian. While I understand that the state promotes and establishes no religion, I also understand that this country was made to run on the liberty that Christianity alone provides; therefore, I can't be happy about a Muslim praying to a false god in this, or any other, setting.
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Our liberty, as far as the government goes, is based on a democracy. That is why there is no state religion.
Well I think we have worn out this discussion.
Be bless in His love and grace.
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Here - here and I see nothing wrong with us believing this way and wanting not Muslim prayers either heard or seen. Maybe some don't know a false god when they see one.
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"idolatry" is worship of a false idol. No one here is doing that. They are simply listening to a Muslim prayer.
One form of idolatry is Bibliolatry:
Bibliolatry -- Bible Worship
https://web.archive.org/web/20070909092136/http://www.newreformation.org
What is Fundamentalism?
So this might be an instant of looking at the log in your own eye before complaining about the dust mote in your neighbor's eye.
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And for a Christian -- truly that should not be done.
Every time I hear one I shutter!
M-Bob
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Christianity is no guarantee of liberty. Christian history is replete with tyrannical forms of government claiming to derive their tyranny from Christianity. The Founding Fathers had had a revolution against British "tyranny" of a country that had a state Christian religion. Absolute monarchy was justified as the divine right of kings, remember?
Also, the basis of Christianity is not liberty. God is not a democracy. There is only 1 God, and He is absolute Lord, is he not? A loving, benevolent, and just Lord, but still absolute. What God decrees is what happens, right? No voting by humans. No trials by a jury of your peers. "Judgement is mine, says the Lord."
The concept of liberty in a government comes from secular sources, not from Christianity. Look at ancient Israel in the Bible: not liberty but a kingdom headed by one king. Absolute monarchy.
The myth that Christianity = liberty is just that, a myth. If we followed Biblical precedent, we would be an absolute monarchy, not a republic.
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Listening to a non-Christian prayer makes you shudder? Why? Is your faith that weak that you feel you will convert to another religion?
Do you feel God is so parochial that He does not listen to prayers from all His children?
Of course, there's also the issue of whether "Allah" is a different deity from "Yahweh". Muslims think Mohammed was a prophet, but then Mormons think Joseph Smith was a prophet. Islam is explicit that Allah is the God of Abraham. Doesn't a Christian also pray to the God of Abraham? If not, who do you think you are praying to?
Would you object to a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness prayer?
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The Book of Romans teaches us to respect the Law of the land. Remember, we have a Democracy.
M-Bob
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Got no problems here -- Thank you for your wild guessing regarding someone that you know not.
Raised in a Christian church and knew that the Bible was the Word of God from a Very Young Age.
Bible also states -- pull the plank out of your eye before you attempt to pull the speck from my eye.
Keep trying.
Practice makes perfect.
M-Bob
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What has really changed the most in America in the past fifty years is that there is no longer a common outlook, or a common understanding of what it means to be an American, or what American values are.
Kennedy was a liberal to be sure, but every American saw him as an American first and foremost, and shared in his outlook, and he in theirs.
It would have been seen by every American as ludicrous that state legislatures would open their meetings with prayers by Satanists and Wiccans. Even Satanists and witches would have seen that as ludicrous. The Judeo-Christian underpinnings of the American value system were understood and accepted by all Americans.
But now that has all changed. There is no centre anymore, nothing that defines an American as an American. America was never defined by race or ethnicity like the French or Japanese or Hungarians. It always defined itself by its values, values that everybody accepted and agreed to assume upon becoming an American.
But now that is all gone.
Kennedy was a liberal to be sure, but every American saw him as an American first and foremost, and shared in his outlook, and he in theirs.
It would have been seen by every American as ludicrous that state legislatures would open their meetings with prayers by Satanists and Wiccans. Even Satanists and witches would have seen that as ludicrous. The Judeo-Christian underpinnings of the American value system were understood and accepted by all Americans.
But now that has all changed. There is no centre anymore, nothing that defines an American as an American. America was never defined by race or ethnicity like the French or Japanese or Hungarians. It always defined itself by its values, values that everybody accepted and agreed to assume upon becoming an American.
But now that is all gone.
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It's indirectly imposing the values of a religion which despises Jews and Christians, teaches Sha'ria law, the stoning/hanging of homosexuals, adulterers, loss of limbs for stealing, honor killings, forced marriages;that it is okay to lie to further the cause of Allah, and the establishment of a world wide caliphate..
So yes, I'd be very uncomfortable with that. But I would have to accept it because we live in secular societies...
Excerpt from report in attitudes voiced by British Muslims.."
"Here are the stats to prove it: 52 per cent of Britain’s three million Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal; 39 per cent think a woman should always obey her husband; 18 per cent sympathise with people who take part in violence against those who mock the Prophet; 4 per cent — that equates to about 100,000 Muslims — have ‘sympathy for people who take part in suicide bombing to fight injustice".
Trevor Phillips's documentary on Muslims was shocking - but not surprising
Queen's chaplain resigns after criticising church for allowing Koran reading
ps This is not to bash Muslims, simply to point out that their values are not the values of the Christianised liberal secular democracies..
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As I recall that was a very limited survey. Around a thousand or so people.
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Ask yourself, what beliefs and values were these secular societies originally built on? I don't think there is one major culture that did not have some form of religion at its heart.
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