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Woa, wait. The Hebrew language itself was changed by the Rabbis? Do you mean phonemes or meanings?

I assume phonemes, since we're talking about how to read the word יהושע.

If you mean phonemes were changed, then what evidence do you have proving this? A phonographic record of Hebrew spoken before the "change...by the Rabbis"? How could "the Rabbis" have changed the phonemes for the way Hebrew is spoken, for all Jews, around the world, at all times?

I am very curious. Especially considering the great success "the Rabbis" had in getting everyone to change the way they pronounce words. Or maybe not so great since I suppose the whole Ashkenaz vs Sephard vs Moroccan vs Algerian vs other Hebrew phonemes don't matter in this discussion? Which rabbis, and when, was this great tampering with the global use of Hebrew carried out? That must have been one massive re-education program.
If you want to know more then do an Internet search.
Biblical Hebrew

The kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. The Bar-Kochba revolt in 132–135 CE led to a large departure of the Jewish population of Judea. Biblical Hebrew ceased being spoken as a regular literary language around 200 CE; it latter developed and evolved into Mishnaic Hebrew by the 6 th century AD. Biblical Hebrew as preserved in the Hebrew Bible is composed of multiple linguistic layers. The consonantal skeleton of the text is the most ancient, while the vocalization and cantillation are later additions reflecting a later stage of the language. These additions were added after 600 CE; Hebrew had already ceased being used as a spoken language around 200 CE. Biblical Hebrew as reflected in the consonantal text of the Bible and in extra-Biblical inscriptions may be subdivided by era. Late Biblical Hebrew shows Aramaic influence in phonology, morphology, and lexicon, and this trend is also evident in the later-developed Tiberian vocalization system.

Qumran Hebrew, attested in the Dead Sea Scrolls from ca. 200 BCE to 70 CE, is a continuation of Late Biblical Hebrew. Qumran Hebrew may be considered an intermediate stage between Biblical Hebrew and Mishnaic Hebrew, though Qumran Hebrew shows its own idiosyncratic dialectal features

Note: Second century BC Aramaic was still in use in the first century AD according to carbon dating of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
 
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Biblical Hebrew does not have the same rules as Modern Hebrew.

con·ju·gate
verb
verb: conjugate; 3rd person present: conjugates; past tense:
No, that's the verb חיי not the Hebrew verb היה.

Can you please conjugate it (היה) for me in Hiphel?

; past participle: conjugated; gerund or present participle: conjugating
ˈkänjəˌɡāt/
  1. 1.
    Grammar
    give the different forms of (a verb in an inflected language) as they vary according to voice, mood, tense, number, and person.


Etymology


From the root ה־י־ה (h-y-h). Compare הוּא (hu, “he”).

Verb


הָיָה • (haya) (pa'al construction)


to be, exist

Genesis 1:3, with translation of the Jewish Publication Society:


וַיֹּאמֶר אֱלֹהִים יְהִי אוֹר וַיְהִי־אוֹר׃‎


vayómer 'elohím y'hí 'ór vay'hí-'ór.

And God said: 'Let there be light.' And there was light.


Leviticus 26:12, with translation of the Jewish Publication Society:


וְהִתְהַלַּכְתִּי בְּתוֹכְכֶם וְהָיִיתִי לָכֶם לֵאלֹהִים וְאַתֶּם תִּהְיוּ־לִי לְעָם׃‎


v'hithalakhtí b'tokh'khém v'hayíti lakhém lelohím v'atém tihyú-lí l'ám.

And I will walk among you, and will be your God, and ye shall be My people.


to happen, take place, occur


נֵס גָּדוֹל הָיָה שָׁם.‎


nés gadól hayá shám.

A great miracle happened there.


Conjugation

Conjugation of הָיָה (see also Appendix:Hebrew verbs)

Derived terms


הָיֹה הָיָה (hayó hayá, “once upon a time”)
 
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It is my opinion that the word Yah came from the Germanic language, and that is why it has similar meaning as the Hebrew "chai." For example: Freyja, also spelled Freyah, she was a goddess in mythology. A type of Eve, her name means that she was a sovereign.


Yah, (I, Aye,) and Yes, are “affirmations” that can only be given by a living being.
 
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The Greek Iesous which the available manuscripts have today for the name of Jesus appears in the Septuagint as the Septuagint translator's direct translation of the Hebrew Yehoshua into Greek.
The Septuagint also uses Iesous for "Yeshua".

2Ch 31:15 διὰ χειρὸς Οδομ καὶ Βενιαμιν καὶ Ἰησοῦς καὶ Σεμεϊ καὶ Αμαριας καὶ Σεχονιας διὰ χειρὸς τῶν ἱερέων ἐν πίστει δοῦναι τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς αὐτῶν κατὰ τὰς ἐφημερίας κατὰ τὸν μέγαν καὶ τὸν μικρὸν
2Ch 31:15 And next him were Eden, and Miniamin, and Jeshua, and Shemaiah, Amariah, and Shecaniah, in the cities of the priests, in their set office, to give to their brethren by courses, as well to the great as to the small:

So based on Septuagint evidence alone, the Hebrew Yehoshua ("G-d saves") translated into Greek is Iesous which transliterated into Latin is Iesus which transliterated into Germanic-English is Jesus.
Iesous, Iesus and Jesus are all failed transliterations (Iesous is not a translation). The correct transliteration of Yeshua and Yehoshua into English is Yeshua and Yehoshua.
 
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The Septuagint also uses Iesous for "Yeshua".

2Ch 31:15 διὰ χειρὸς Οδομ καὶ Βενιαμιν καὶ Ἰησοῦς καὶ Σεμεϊ καὶ Αμαριας καὶ Σεχονιας διὰ χειρὸς τῶν ἱερέων ἐν πίστει δοῦναι τοῖς ἀδελφοῖς αὐτῶν κατὰ τὰς ἐφημερίας κατὰ τὸν μέγαν καὶ τὸν μικρὸν
2Ch 31:15 And next him were Eden, and Miniamin, and Jeshua, and Shemaiah, Amariah, and Shecaniah, in the cities of the priests, in their set office, to give to their brethren by courses, as well to the great as to the small:


Iesous, Iesus and Jesus are all failed transliterations (Iesous is not a translation). The correct transliteration of Yeshua and Yehoshua into English is Yeshua and Yehoshua.
Biblical Hebrew did not have an "e" vowel. A vowel in the middle of their names is one to many vowels.
 
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Never in all the conversations that Yeshua had while walking the earth, did He stop someone from calling out His name incorrectly.
:amen: (or is it Amein?)
Mattityahu 1:23 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
HINEI, HAALMAH HARAH VYOLEDET BEN VKARAT SHMO IMMANU-EL (Behold, the Virgin will be with child and will bear Son and will call his name Immanu-ElIsa 7:14; cf page vii), which translated means G-d is with us.
Matthew 1:23 (Complete Jewish Bible)
“The virgin will conceive and bear a son,
and they will call him ‘Immanu El.' " (The name means, “God is with us.”)
Matthew 1:23 (Hebraic Roots Bible)
"Behold! The virgin will conceive in her womb and will bear a son, and they will call His name Emmanuel," which is interpreted, our Elohim is with us. (Isa. 7:14)

Yochanan 20:13, 16 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)

13 And those ones say to her, Isha, why do you weep? She says to them, They took Adoni, and I don’t have da’as of where they placed Him.
16 He says to her, Miryam. She turns and she says to Him in Ivrit, Rabboni. (This means mori [my teacher].)​
John 20:13, 16 (Complete Jewish Bible)
13 “Why are you crying?” they asked her. “They took my Lord,” she said to them, “and I don’t know where they have put Him.”
16 Yeshua said to her, “Miryam!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, “Rabbani!” (that is, “Teacher!”)​
John 20:13, 16 (Hebraic Roots Bible)
13 And they said to her, Woman, why do you weep? She said to them, because they took away my Master, and I do not know where they put Him.
16 Yahshua said to her, Mariam! Turning around, she said to Him, Rabboni! (that is to say, My Great One).​

Yochanan 20:28 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
In reply, T’oma said to Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, Adoni and Elohai! [TEHILLIM 35:23]​
John 20:28 (Complete Jewish Bible)
T’oma answered Him, “My Lord and my God!”​
John 20:28 (Hebraic Roots Bible)
And Thomas answered and said to Him, my Master and my Elohim!

Hisgalus 19:11-13, 16
(Orthodox Jewish Bible)
11 And I saw Shomayim having been opened, and, hinei, a sus lavan (white horse) and the one riding on it is called Ne’eman and Yashar, and in Tzedek [DANIEL 9:25] He judges and makes milchamah (war). [SHEMOT 15:3; TEHILLIM 96:13; YESHAYAH 11:4]
12 And the Eynayim of Him are as a flame of eish, and on the head of Him are many atarot, and He has a Name inscribed of which no one has da’as except Himself.
13 And He is robed in a kaftan dipped in dahm, and His Name is called, The DVAR HASHEM.” [YESHAYAH 63:2,3]
16 And He has on His kaftan and on His thigh a name inscribed: MELECH HAMELACHIM AND ADON HAADONIM.​
Revelation 19:11-13, 16 (Complete Jewish Bible)
11 Next I saw heaven opened, and there before me was a white horse. Sitting on it was the one called Faithful and True, and it is in righteousness that He passes judgment and goes to battle.
12 His eyes were like a fiery flame, and on His head were many royal crowns. And He had a name written which no one knew but Himself.
13 He was wearing a robe that had been soaked in blood, and the name by which He is called is, “THE WORD OF GOD.”
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written:
KING OF KINGS
AND
LORD OF LORDS
.
Revelation 19:11-13, 16 (Hebraic Roots Bible)
11 And I saw Heaven being opened. And, behold! A white horse, and He sitting on it having been called Faithful and True. And He judges and makes war in righteousness.
12 And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns with many titles written on it, and one of the titles that had been written, no man knew but He Himself;
13 and having been clothed in a garment which had been dipped in blood. And His name is called The Word of YAHWEH. (Isa. 63:2,3, Jo 1:1-4, 14)
16 And He has on His garment and on His thigh a name having been written: KING OF KINGS AND MASTER OF MASTERS. (Rev 17:14)​
 
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See Yeshua never corrected anyone on the pronouncement of His name.
2 Corinthians 11:24-25 (Complete Jewish Bible)
24 Five times I received “forty lashes less one” from the Jews.
25 Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. ... .​

When Paul wrote the following letter (verse 6), did he have any idea of the great controversy still causing disunity between Christians, Jews, and even within Messianic Judaism even after nearly 2000 years since Yeshua's Crucifixion and Resurrection.

Kehillah in Corinth II 3:5-8 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
5 Not that we are competent from ourselves to claim anything as of ourselves, but our competence is from Hashem, [2C 2:16]
6 Who also made us competent as klei kodesh mesharetim (ministers) of a Brit Chadasha [SHEMOT 24:8; YIRMEYAH 31:31; 32:40; 2C 11:25; MJ 8:8-13]not of chumra (not of strict adherence to the letter of the law, legalism), but of the Ruach Hakodesh: for the chumra (letter of the law) kills, but the Ruach Hakodesh gives Chayyim (life). [Yn 6:63; Ro 7:6].
7 Now if the sherut of mavet chiseled in letters engraved on luchot of stone came with kavod (glory), so that the Bnei Yisroel were not able to gaze into the face of Moshe Rabbeinu because of P’NI MOSHE KI KARON ("face of Moshe Rabbeinu that he was radiant" SHEMOT 34:35) because of the kavod (glory) of his face, the kavod (glory) which is fading, [SHEMOT 34:29-34; YESHAYAH 42:21]
8 Then how much more will the avodas kodesh ministry of the Ruach Hakodesh come in kavod (glory)?

2 Corinthians 3:5-8 (Complete Jewish Bible)
5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to count anything as having come from us; on the contrary, our competence is from God.
6 He has even made us competent to be workers serving a New Covenant, the essence of which is not a written text but the Spirit. For the written text brings death, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if that which worked death, by means of a written text engraved on stone tablets, came with glory — such glory that the people of Isra’el could not stand to look at Moshe’s face because of its brightness, even though that brightness was already fading away —
8 won’t the working of the Spirit be accompanied by even greater glory?​

2 Corinthians 3:5-8 (Hebraic Roots Bible)
5 not that we are sufficient of ourselves to reason out anything as being out of ourselves, but our sufficiency is of Elohim,
6 who also made us able ministers of the New Covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter of the Torah punishes with death, but the Spirit makes alive.
7 Now if the ministration of death as contained in the letter of the Torah and engraved on stones, was so glorious, so as that the sons of Israel could not look into "the face of Moses" because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was not lasting, (Ex. 34:34)
8 how much more the ministry of the Spirit will be in glory!​
 
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See Yeshua never corrected anyone on the pronouncement of His name.

And we know that Greeks could not easily (and in some cases physically) pronounce ש /š/ or ע /ˁ/.

There weren't even letters in their alphabet for those sounds.
 
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See Yeshua never corrected anyone on the pronouncement of His name.
Proverbs 12
Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but whoever hates correction is stupid. Good people obtain favor from the Lord, but he condemns those who devise wicked schemes.
 
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I've been following these posts - I don't know about you guys, but I love it that, in the UK, between every couple of posts, is an advert for a website called confused.com! G_d, by whatever name, might be commenting on this thread, do you think! ROFL!
 
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