Jack Chick's View on Catholicism
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In threads of this nature, I always wonder what sort of incredible mind-blowing experience an Orthodox Divine Liturgy would be to one of the proponents of JackChickism.
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Using the words of Christ is witchcraft? Seriously? The words of institution are taken straight from the Gospels, are they not?
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There are numerous bits of weird reasoning, but let's just take one example. TFA claims the Mass is "Wiccan" or "Hoodoo" because it copies certain (unidentified) pagan rituals. But there is very good evidence that the Mass (or Divine Liturgy) has been celebrated in a form very similar to that done currently for centuries (Yeah, yeah, I hear you folks in the background muttering about the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo . . . .
) But we also have very good evidence that what is called "Wiccan" was pretty much made up in the 19th Century as a copy of the Mass.The author gets the influence precisely backwards.
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Are you saying even if the catholic eucharist isn't bibical, that article is sensationalism?
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There are numerous bits of weird reasoning, but let's just take one example. TFA claims the Mass is "Wiccan" or "Hoodoo" because it copies certain (unidentified) pagan rituals. But there is very good evidence that the Mass (or Divine Liturgy) has been celebrated in a form very similar to that done currently for centuries (Yeah, yeah, I hear you folks in the background muttering about the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo . . . .
The author gets the influence precisely backwards.
Are you saying this to say Catholicism is bibical?
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Pretty much!
Let's see if we can start with a point of agreement and move from there rather than starting at the end-point of a big ol' formal Mass.
Are you willing to agree that some of the earliest Christians we have records of--the congregation at Corinth--had some sort of ritual that involved gathering together for bread and wine? Consult 1 Cor. 11. I'm not asking you to agree that it was a Mass or Divine Liturgy here. Just that these very early Christians did something together with ritual words and shared bread and wine.
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If I understand your question correctly, yes.
But I may not be tracking with how you are using the terms "biblical" and "wrong".
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I've heard of it.
It is very demonic.
I won't even try to read about it any more,
and advise everyone to be aware of
the devil's tricks and avoid it.
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Only as YHWH reveals - seek GOD'S KINGDOM, read GOD'S WORD,
pray constantly to GOD , (every day, often),
STAY in the LIGHT, as HE trains and guides our steps.
Do not get curious even about carnality, let alone the devil's tricks.
Don't seek those things out, and never study them.
STAY IN THE LIGHT.
STAY abiding in JESUS, the GOOD SHEPHERD.
Be a normal sheep, (in CHRIST),
listening ONLY to JESUS, the GOOD SHEPHERD, HIS VOICE,
and
not to all the hired hands or bad guys.
Test everything before swallowing it- before believing it.
(this does not mean go test bad stuff already known to be bad, nor stuff from someplace bad or from someone bad)....
At all cost, in every way, get truth. In JESUS. Always, all day.
He says so.
He shows us.
He is faithful and true.
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