Psychic Abilities

Blade · Apr 30, 2016

Hey Tobias..greetings in Christ our lord..

Its written.. Jesus said my sheep know my voice the voice of a stranger they will not follow. This is like John 3:16. There is nothing to add to this. Believe in Jesus you live for ever. So if you know Christ you KNOW His voice. If you have to ask wonder guess.. its not Him. This is not some radio so to speak that at times other stations can come in. It does not work like that. When its GOD there is NO OTHERS around to cut on but in. We should NEVER play with this stuff. To think we understand it.. is foolish. What satan had before he fell.. he still has. He has no authority..but what GOD gave him he still has.

So these gifts the world so to speak have are not the same. God may have given them but they choose to listen to the wrong station or have no clue just what they are listening to. There is no neutral spirit. Its OF God or not. And if its NOT of God..It can not tell the truth. THINK.. where was this HOLY GREAT GOD that MADE EVERYTHING and had just a GLORY to Him just WOW..where was GOD when satan and the other fell? Right with them. So we here on this earth in this sinful word some of us NOT walking holy praying 24/7 nor in the spirit...think we can talk about them talk to theme.. or even fight them? We mean nothing to them. All they want is to kill ANYTHING God made. My point is.. sorry if not saying it the right way

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You said Psychic.. to what move things? Yeah sure its fun for a season.. tell they demand the price from you. Tell the future? No.. they can not. When you been around for ever and there is no space and time to you.. its easy to predict things. You get VERY good at it. Yet there is only one reason..to pull you in.. its nice is wonderful..it can even seem you are helping others? But if its NOT from GOD.. wow not a place you want to be standing or be apart of. For the reward THEY get.. who ever is with them gets the same reward. That as for someone else.

But I believe the gifts come from GOD..yet some dont know and start to listen to other stations. Then it just gets twisted and ..does more harm in the end then any good. With God He will always show you.. WHERE its written. Sorry if I have offended or said it the wrong way

transnomer · Aug 13, 2016

I think that being psychic simply means that you have an independent mind that intersperses with other minds and can arrise within context or otherwise be overridden by it. I think that our minds are flexible and innovative, I think that most self proclaimed psychics have a lot of cognitive dissonance and do not actively identify with their own mind on holistic terms and that could be an instance of demon possession but probably isn't exclusively indicative of a possession however I don't think psychics live very peaceful or happy lives I think they vie for experiences which are uncommon or largely ignored by most and sometimes there are very good reasons for that! The mind is not a toy or a science experiment and the mind is not a slave, neither is it without responsibility. Eschew responsibility and pursue power and you will destroy yourself! The best use of any psychic gifts is to give them to God and stay Bible based. The Bible talks about supernatural gifts that come from Heaven and I'm sure that any earthly comparison does not even meet those standards and the devil is like a counterfeiter, he wants to cheat you because he's second rate like that. Be careful, be sensible, stop playing around, don't give yourself up unless it's at the mercy of the Lord. Psychic stuff usually accompanies a lot of darkness and God doesn't give us fear.

geetrue · Aug 30, 2016

I don't know how to do this quote thing yet, but Tobias "I guess where I'm making the distinction is the difference between the ability to HEAR God, and yielding to Him. Many hear His call, but few answer. Or on the flip side, hearing spirits and yielding to them instead"

The word 'spirit' is generic to them ... all things are either God or demons.

Simple as it can be ... if they don't speak for God then the gift is not in them and demons can get clues to the future or to someones personal history, but because it is a demon they are usually wrong.
If they speak for God then it is a gift of God and the gift of a prophet is subject to another profit.

However this is where the devil gets involved. If the devil couldn't deceive you then he wouldn't try and that is the downfall of many prophets. A voice in your head can be deceiving, but God in your heart can turn you into a modern Jeremiah

Razare · Aug 30, 2016

Tobias said:
Are they of God, of the Devil, or could they be natural born abilities of Man?

Kingdom of satan. I used to be a "psychic". What this means is, you yield your mind over to devils to inhabit, and devils inhabiting, poking and prodding your mind along with demon possession, you will start getting information you can't possibly know.

Before anything bad happened, I would get advance info. The medium I dated, could dig up details about any dead person from false spirits.

Why does the devil know bad things concurrently or in advance? Because he is the one doing those evil things. Just because he tells someone, doesn't mean the devil automatically gets to do what he wants. No. God can intervene, and the false prophecy will fail 100% of the time should God intercede.

One time when I was lost and full of demons, Jesus came to me and cast out all the demons. But I didn't understand the gospel or know anything, so I went back into what I knew, and I got more demons... it was worse the 2nd time.

And when I realized I was demon possessed, I gave myself to Jesus because he was the only one I knew who could cast out demons.

God gives me information now, and he tells me greater things than the devil ever knew, and the devil can't understand the things of God because they are beyond his kingdom and power.

tturt · Nov 26, 2016

Another way to look at "yoke." It's my understanding that when a Jewish boy was about 14, they would look for a master rabbi to continue their studies. These mature rabbis had different approaches to teaching, their yoke. To be chosen as their student was an honor. As a student, they did exactly what their master rabbi said and did concerning everything. So it gives us a different perspective when we read what Yeshua said, "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls." Matt 11:29

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 1, 2016

Tobias said:
Are they of God, of the Devil, or could they be natural born abilities of Man?

I guess it all depends upon what we define as psychic abilities. Obviously someone who is in the business and takes on the identity of "A Psychic" is using enhanced abilities fueled by spirits that are not in league with God. But there is a big difference between being psychic and being A Psychic. Just like there is a difference between prophesying and being A Prophet.

There are also quite a number of psychic abilities, which are not necessarily all relate so perhaps the rules don't apply the same to all situations. But just for starters (especially for those who are unfamiliar and don't yet understand what I'm talking about), the major psychic abilities coincide with the 5 physical senses. Those who can see things in the spirit realm are called "clairvoyant." Those who hear things in the spirit realm are "clairaudient". Clairsentience is feeling, and there are others for smelling and tasting. "Clair" meaning "clear", and "voyant" meaning "vision", "audient" meaning "auditory"... I think it's origins are in the French language. There are dozens of others, namely precognizance and claircognizance (knowing the future and knowing facts for no explainable reason), but I think thats a pretty good foundation to get this discussion started.

Personally I think the major psychic abilities are similar to artistic abilities and are natural to Man. Not everybody has them in equal amounts. Artists can relate to musicians and poets, but each of the fine arts are their own thing, and either you have what it takes to make it in those fields or you don't. Same goes for the senses that allow us to perceive things in the spirit realm. On some level they are each an ability and a form of art, and most people that have them operate in more than one, but each is unique in it's own right.

What usually happens though is we are inspired by unseen forces whether we want to or not. Many artists look for their muse, which often times is a spirit that enhances their natural abilities and makes their work stand out. People with psychic abilities do the same. In Church we are taught to listen for the voice of God, so those who see, hear, feel, smell, sense the future, or just know stuff can be influenced accordingly by the Kingdom of Heaven. Those who want to use their abilities for the other side (often without realizing it), might tune their senses in to spirits of the dead, spirit guides, or pagan gods. Go to a church of Spiritualism and they will teach you how to become a medium, which essentially is being a prophet for the dead.

As a musician I have learned how to yield my talent to the HS and allow inspired worship to flow through me. As someone who's clairaudient I have learned how to tune into the voice of my God and be obedient to Him, and how to speak on His behalf to other people. But I have also learned how to hear quite a number of other spirits, some appear to be rather neutral and some are clearly not. But just like when I'm playing guitar, the talent is my own unless I am inspired by other forces.

I guess where I'm making the distinction is the difference between the ability to HEAR God, and yielding to Him. Many hear His call, but few answer. Or on the flip side, hearing spirits and yielding to them instead. For those with the natural born ability, the hearing part happens regardless. But just like everything else in life, we choose whether we submit our talents to God or not.

To read this from someone professing to be a Christian is disappointing.

There are only 2 sources of hearing a word outside of man:
1. God
2. the enemy
3. would be man made falsified fake 'hearings'

Born again Christians who have not cleansed themselves of new age and occult past generational latch on's are able to hear and be tricked by the enemy. Born again Christians who truly hear from God know the difference between a word from God and a word from the enemy. Jesus was given visions from satan after all when he tried to tempt him in the wilderness but Jesus knew who was doing this and declined the invitation
Matt 4:8 says Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
This can only be done by visions (shown the kingdoms of the world) because no one would be able to see them all from a physical mountaintop.

Many are they who claim to receive visions or hear things from God but those things which are heard and seen are actually from satan, and they run after them in their prideful hearts thinking they are somehow special or psychic or that they're hearing from God. What a mess the body of Christ is in because they perish for lack of true knowledge and for not understanding God's word about these things.

tturt · Dec 2, 2016

Skipping the visions statements.

Unless it's obvious that "it" not pointing them to Yahweh. From your perspective how do you know they're from the enemy?

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 2, 2016

@tturt
Proper discernment of spirits. The gift of discerning of spirits shows you what is truly functioning behind the action of the individual claiming to hear from God.
Heb 5:14 says But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.

Who are they that have proper discernment? They are those who have learned via obedience to God (and do not have a seared conscience due to disobedience), how to properly discern what is really from Him and what is fake (void of light or evil) and coming from the enemy.

We also see this:
"Then those who feared the Lord spoke to one another, and the Lord gave attention and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before Him for those who fear the Lord and who esteem His name. “They will be Mine,” says the Lord of hosts, “on the day that I prepare My own possession, and I will spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him.” So you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between one who serves God and one who does not serve Him - Mal 3:16-18

However, there are those who do not have true discernment because they have not walked in obedience to God. These are the ones who are branching off into the doctrines of Balam and mixing Christianity with the occult and new age. They do not have discernment, they do not have the Spirit of God, they are walking in disobedience with seared consciences, and thus they have opened themselves to all manner of evil and lying spirits.

Regarding those who fit into the 3rd category, we see this scripture:
These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, (Jude 1:19-20)

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 2, 2016

Deborah23 said:
I'm currently reading the Watchman Nee "Latent Power of the Soul" that Tobias in earlier posts suggested. However the Gospels say that the yoke will be something like easy because we work with Jesus. Maybe it's my age, maybe it's my illnesses, but the load is not light. I still cannot ask for prayer at my church without saying it's for something so abstract from my actual needs. The obvious is going to another church but all Protestant Churches are very much alike. To go to a charismatic church is too difficult because people openly speak in tongues. When this happens I feel the emotions the speaker is speaking but too many speak in tongues at the same time. I get a headache and my middle is pulled so much I feel that if I don't leave, I fear I will be pulled out of my body. I haven't been to one of these churches for a long time, maybe I can better deal with it now, but I'm not eager to try. Maybe having no place to rest my head is part of it.

This is a very strange thing to experience when in the midst of those who speak in tongues. What you experience is not from God. GOD does not torture us when we are in the midst of His people who are speaking with a heavenly language from the Holy Spirit but the devil does, and that tells me that you have some demonic attachments which are causing this problem.
You're in need of deliverance. Seek help from a good Holy Spirit filled Christian counsellor at once. What you've described, and the sense of "coming out of your body" makes me suspect you have some form of dissociative identity disorder. This is not a DIAGNOSIS. It also sounds like you have either been directly involved in the occult, or there is a generational spirit attached to you from your family line which is occult related. Go get some help from a trained Spirit filled counsellor.

tturt · Dec 3, 2016

Before deliverance the believer needs to understand that they need to stay in The Word. Matthew 12:43-45 "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation."
Whether deliverance or not, recommend spending more time - Taking communion, meditating on The Word including renewing our minds, be conscious of more praise & thanksgiving opportunities, and worshiping Yahweh.

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 4, 2016

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 4, 2016

very true @tturt
Some are chasing after occult and new age purposefully and then integrating themselves into the body of Christ claiming their spiritual experiences are from God and attempting to pollute God's people by passing on doctrines of demons.

We see this played out in the story of the psychic (fortune teller) girl who followed the disciples around for days proclaiming that they served the true God. It took Paul days before he finally received proper discernment about what was going on and became annoyed with what the enemy was attempting to do through the girl. I'm sure he was wondering how it was that a psychic was appearing to give glory to God via her shouts of "These men are servants of the Most High God who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation" prior to finally figuring out it was a ploy of the enemy to "look" like she was in agreement with them and by appearing to agree with their ministry she would gain the trust of the people and so fool them into believing her PSYCHIC abilities were Godly when in reality they were from the pits of hell.

tturt · Dec 5, 2016

There’s a difference between discernment and discerning of spirits. Like all of the other manifestations of The Spirit (I Cor 12), the information for discerning of spirits has to come from Yahweh or it's just us. Though we need discernment.

Agree that Paul had discerning of spirits in the Acts 16:18 account. So Yahweh revealed to Paul what spirit was behind her words. Paul had the right attitude by being against the demonic spirit and grieved for her.

Some think that it's discerning of demonic spirit but an example of discerning of a Godly spirit is when James, Cephas, and John perceived the grace that had been given to Paul (Gal 2).

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 5, 2016

I am not here to branch off into a discussion about the differences between discernment and discerning of spirits.

tturt · Dec 6, 2016

I'm not sure you can talk about one without the other. We can't go by appearances. Yahweh promises to help us such as Psa 37:23 It's another example of learning to rely on Him.

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 6, 2016

tturt said:
I'm not sure you can talk about one without the other. We can't go by appearances. Yahweh promises to help us such as Psa 37:23 It's another example of learning to rely on Him.

Nothing was said about "going by appearances".
I have already explained that one needs the gift of discernment and discerning of spirits to truly tell what is going on behind the motives of a person's heart, and/or if they are deceived.
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. - Heb 4:12
There is nothing left to discuss.
I'm not interested in nitpicking about the difference between "discernment" and the "gift" of discerning of spirits. That's not the topic. The topic is about so called psychic abilities and helping people who are deceived. Deceived people don't know they're deceived because they've been deceived. lol

tturt · Dec 7, 2016

An example of appearances that I was referring to is from the Acts 16 account with Paul and the psychic girl.

Thanks for your perspective.

Tobias · Dec 7, 2016

EinsteinsGirl said:
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I'm not interested in nitpicking about the difference between "discernment" and the "gift" of discerning of spirits. That's not the topic. The topic is about so called psychic abilities and helping people who are deceived. Deceived people don't know they're deceived because they've been deceived. lol

Actually, the topic here is about the ability to perceive the spirit realm, and how I think it work similar to the way some people are more talented in the Arts than others. I know, from the very beginning other people have MADE it about deception, but no, that's not really the topic here. lol

There is a knee jerk reaction that many people have to the word "psychic." They immediately associate it with the New Age, and have wasted most of the space in this thread warning people to avoid the pitfalls associated with that movement. But I was never trying to promote anything New Age here. I was simply trying to say that people are people, and the same "ears" that hear the Voice of God can also be trained to hear the voices of other spirits.

I think this is something almost every Christian struggles with. We want to hear from God, but have to learn the difference between His voice and the voices of others. Psychics go through the same struggle to "hear" from the spirit realm, discerning between their own fantasies/ inner voice and the legitimate voice of -- someone else. What they don't have, is the desire or integrity to listen ONLY for the voice of God. The two situations are similar, except that the Christian is acting like a Christian while the non-Christian... isn't. lol

It's no different than many of the other choices we make in life. We can listen to secular advice, and solve our problems the way the World does. Or we can seek the Lord. Seeking the Lord does NOT mean opening your Bible are guiding your life by a handful of verses that you just happened to have read one day. Nor does it mean going to church and believing everything that one particular preacher says. It means diligently seeking God!

I think the big problem we have today with false (or mistaken) prophecy is that people are only hearing from God *sometimes*. They have been told by Christians (armed only with tradition and fear, rather than personal experience), that hearing from God is a completely different thing than psychic abilities. They think that everything they perceive in the spirit is only from God, because they were taught that a "Prophet" can only hear God's voice. Or something like that. What ends up happening is these "prophecy sessions" which consist of nothing more than a bunch of people playing with their abilities to perceive the spiritual realm.

True prophecy (IMO) requires both integrity and training. And even more importantly, a call from God to do that job. Some people can hear very well in the spirit, but if God hasn't called and chosen them to speak on His behalf, then He isn't going to be giving them any messages to speak. It takes more than just "ears." God isn't just some automated message blasting through the psychic airwaves. When He speaks, we should listen. And those who are experienced, called and trained, should speak up and help the rest of us hear more accurately what He is saying. (And not because they are *special*, but because that is their gift and it just happens to be their time to share what they have with everyone else!)

EinsteinsGirl · Dec 7, 2016

The word "psychic" is NOT in scripture. You cannot attribute that title to Christianity, it is new age and occult. Any person who is involved in and approves of "psychic abilities" is deceived.

There are two sources a person can draw from. GOD or the ENEMY.

The gift of GOD is hearing from HIM, not from some weird astral "god" or other "beings" or strange vortexes and structures. These later things are occult. Those who involve themselves in such things are involved in lawlessness and occult/new age. It is an abomination to the Lord and they must repent.

God bless!

tturt · Dec 21, 2016

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