Why was John BEHEADED?

pinacled said:

Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

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So many sparrows singing?

We have descriptions in The Apocalypse of Abraham, a first- or second-century A.D. text of pre-Rabbinic Judaism, of the great patriarch and an angel making their way to heaven by aid of a pigeon’s and turtledove’s wings (5). And in other writings, we learn that sparrows sing as spirits continue to be born, set forth from the Guf, a mysterious storehouse of souls. However, once the last spirit departs from this realm, the songs of sparrows will cease and the world will soon end (6).

-A virtuous woman is a CROWN to her husband:


…47But Jesus, knowing the thoughts of their hearts, had a little child stand beside Him. 48AndHe said to them, “Whoever welcomes this little child in My name welcomes Me, and whoeverwelcomes Me welcomes the One who sent Me.For whoever is the least among all of you, he is the greatest.”

1For the conductor, on jeduthun, a song of David. אלַמְנַצֵּחַ עַל יְדוּתוּן מִזְמוֹר לְדָוִד:
2Only to God does my soul hope; from Him is my salvation. באַךְ אֶל אֱלֹהִים דוּמִיָּה נַפְשִׁי מִמֶּנּוּ יְשׁוּעָתִי:
3Only He is my Rock and my salvation, my stronghold so that I shall not falter greatly. גאַךְ הוּא צוּרִי וִישׁוּעָתִי מִשְׂגַּבִּי לֹא אֶמּוֹט רַבָּה:
4How long will you plan destruction to man? You shall be murdered, all of you, as a leaning wall, a tottering fence. דעַד אָנָה | תְּהוֹתְתוּ עַל אִישׁ תְּרָצְּחוּ כֻלְּכֶם כְּקִיר נָטוּי גָּדֵר הַדְּחוּיָה:
5Only because of his loftiness have they plotted to topple him; they delight in lies; with his mouth they bless, but inwardly they curse forever. האַךְ מִשְּׂאֵתוֹ | יָעֲצוּ לְהַדִּיחַ יִרְצוּ כָזָב בְּפִיו יְבָרֵכוּ וּבְקִרְבָּם יְקַלְלוּ סֶלָה:
6Only to God should you hope, my soul, for my hope is from Him. ואַךְ לֵאלֹהִים דֹּמִּי נַפְשִׁי כִּי מִמֶּנּוּ תִּקְוָתִי:
7Only He is my Rock and my salvation; my stronghold, I shall not falter. זאַךְ הוּא צוּרִי וִישׁוּעָתִי מִשְׂגַּבִּי לֹא אֶמּוֹט:
8Upon God rests my salvation and my honor; [He is] the Rock of my strength, my shelter is in God. חעַל אֱלֹהִים יִשְׁעִי וּכְבוֹדִי צוּר עֻזִּי מַחְסִי בֵּאלֹהִים:
9Trust in Him at all times; people, pour out your hearts before Him. God is our shelter forever. טבִּטְחוּ בוֹ בְכָל עֵת | עָם שִׁפְכוּ לְפָנָיו לְבַבְכֶם אֱלֹהִים מַחֲסֶה לָּנוּ סֶלָה:
10The sons of men are but vanity, and men of distinction are deceitful; were they to be put on a scale, together they would equal vanity. יאַךְ הֶבֶל בְּנֵי אָדָם כָּזָב בְּנֵי אִישׁ בְּמֹאזְנַיִם לַעֲלוֹת הֵמָּה מֵהֶבֶל יָחַד:
11Do not trust in oppression, and do not put vain hope in robbery; if wealth burgeons, pay it no heed. יאאַל תִּבְטְחוּ בְעֹשֶׁק וּבְגָזֵל אַל תֶּהְבָּלוּ חַיִל | כִּי יָנוּב אַל תָּשִׁיתוּ לֵב:
12God spoke one thing, I heard two, for God has strength. יבאַחַת | דִּבֶּר אֱלֹהִים שְׁתַּיִם זוּ שָׁמָעְתִּי כִּי עֹז לֵאלֹהִים:
13And You, O Lord, have kindness, for You repay a man according to his deed. יגוּלְךָ אֲדֹנָי חָסֶד כִּי אַתָּה תְשַׁלֵּם לְאִישׁ כְּמַעֲשֵׂהוּ:


For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,

I hear tell that the birds were created from earth and water.
All to beautiful, who else better to sing than those who can see.

Just as those doves eyes behold a joy in the Heart of rest.

It just seems to me that Hrod set an example that many leaders these days think to use as some searing tool on the sheep.

No matter.

There are far more days to press into.

Colossians 2King James Version (KJV)
2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;

2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.





I just cant help but shout from the roof tops every time the Lord declares his handiwork and Glory.

A priesthood?

I wonder how many days the moon would be behind the sun after 6 mths?

Someone left a gift on the alter.

The Significance of the Name Yerushalayim | Yeshivat Har Etzion | Wednesday, May 28, 2014 | JewishPress.com

A. In the Midrash (Berei**** Rabba 26, 10), we read:

“Avraham called it [the place] ‘Yir’eh,’ as it is written, ‘Avraham called the name of that place Hashem Yir’eh.’ Shem called it ‘Shalem,’ as it is written, ‘Malki-Tzedek, King of Shalem.’ The Holy One said: If I call the place ‘Yir’eh,’ as Avraham called it, then Shem – a righteous man – will be offended. If I call it ‘Shalem,’ then Avraham – a righteous man – will be offended. So I shall call it “Yerushalayim,” as both of them called it: [Yir’eh] Shalem – Yerushalayim.”

The Midrash explains that the name of the city is actually made up of two names, based on Avrham’s two distinct encounters with the city: his meeting with Malki-Tzedek, King of Shalem (Berei**** 14), and the story of the Akeida (Berei**** 22).

When you come to the Land and you plant any food tree, you shall surely block its fruit [from use]; it shall be blocked from you [from use] for three years, not to be eaten.

And in the fourth year, all its fruit shall be holy, a praise to the Lord. כדוּבַשָּׁנָה הָרְבִיעִת יִהְיֶה כָּל פִּרְיוֹ קֹדֶשׁ הִלּוּלִים לַיהוָֹה:

And in the fifth year, you may eat its fruit; [do this, in order] to increase its produce for you. I am the Lord, your God. כהוּבַשָּׁנָה הַחֲמִישִׁת תֹּאכְלוּ אֶת פִּרְיוֹ לְהוֹסִיף לָכֶם תְּבוּאָתוֹ אֲנִי יְהוָֹה אֱלֹהֵיכֶם:

A woman with an issue of blood for 12 yrs.
Had she not seen this month nor realized whos strength she intended to hold.

Trial of Love and trust allowing the inner strength to occur.

The sun is 6 days ahead of the moon according to a year.
After every 5 yrs there will be a month of growth according to each individual bodily member of Christ.

30 And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered.


In the tribe-land of Dan, which was next to the country of the Philistines, there was living a man named Manoah. One day an angel came to his wife and said:

"You shall have a son, and when he grows up he will begin to save Israel from the hand of the Philistines. But your son must never drink any wine or strong drink as long as he lives. And his hair must be allowed to grow long and must never be cut, for he shall be a Nazarite under a vow to the Lord."

From the Hebrew name שִׁמְשׁוֹן (Shimshon) which meant "sun"

Now when the peoples gouged out his eyes do you honestly think he was blinded?



Psalm 51

Hosea 6:5 Therefore I have hewn them by the prophets,
I have slain them by the words of My mouth;
And your judgments are like light that goes forth.
6 For I desire mercy and not sacrifice,
And the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings

Matthew 9:3 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.”



Colossians 2King James Version (KJV)
2 For I would that ye knew what great conflict I have for you, and for them at Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh;

2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;

3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.

5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.





James 1King James Version (KJV)

1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.

11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.

Hoshiyya said:

If he were familiar with the law he would have considered it better to break an oath than to kill a man.

By the same logic, lying to the gestapo to save the Jews in your basement is not only "permitted" - it is a mitzva. Lie, break an oath, whatever is necessary to save life. This is the principle the Rabbanan call Pikuach Nefesh.

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Thats what I meant by voluntarily given toward a froward position.
Hrod was already known to be a murderer.

Lulav said:

17 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her.
18 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
19 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not:

20 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

21 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee;

22 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee.
23 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom.

24And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist.

25And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist.

26 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. 27And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,
28 And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother.

I have to say that it does echo a certain Pharaoh (in Josephs time) who beheaded a man on his Birthday.

Also it brings to mind the vow of Jephthah in Judges 30.

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So the conclusion is... he chose to go through with it, though he could have not done so, and not going through with it would have been far more righteous.

If you think going through with it was more righteous than not going through with it, there must be something seriously wrong with you. I doubt you believe that, though.

pinacled said:

No, he was bound by the very thought that so many dismiss.
The voluntary vow has measure like no other.
Shall you and I count silver to the hearts content.
Or rather hold a sparrow from falling.
You are too far from the Torah. Hosh.

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He could chose to not do it, and that would be morally superior. Killing John was an evil thing, and any argument to the opposite is illogical and morally reprehensible.

If I made a vow to kill someone, and chose not to go through with it, who would fault me ?
Only a severely foolish person.

Judaism is governed by the principle of Pikuach Nefesh, read up on it. Bloodshed is worse than breaking a foolish vow. There is a hierarchy to these things.

By the same token, we are allowed to break Shabbat in order to save life. Yeshua and traditional Judaism both agree that saving life takes precedence: Matthew 12:11, Luke 14:5.

For some it is impossible to break a vow once established/ made, no matter how wrong and foolish it was.
They were required to keep it, and no one could set them free of it, according to their unchangeable law.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

For some it is impossible to break a vow once established/ made, no matter how wrong and foolish it was.
They were required to keep it, and no one could set them free of it, according to their unchangeable law.

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So in other words the people you're referring to chose to commit sin. They had a choice to commit murder or not commit murder, and chose murder.

Murder is far more serious than any other thing. That's why it carries a death penalty. Oathbreaking does not.

Christians, non-Christians, doctors, lawyers, pastors, priests, popes, bishops, pharmacists, scientists, landlords, bankers, financiers,
babysitters, care workers, dhs employees, presidents, kings, corporals, generals, privates, nuns, monks, buddhists, people in every country, in every religion, with few exceptions if any
do this all the time, ongoing, every day.

So ?

(Most of them, if not all, DO NOT have a choice)

Hoshiyya said:

So in other words the people you're referring to chose to commit sin. They had a choice to commit murder or not commit murder, and chose murder.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Christians, non-Christians, doctors, lawyers, pastors, priests, popes, bishops, pharmacists, scientists, landlords, bankers, financiers,
babysitters, care workers, dhs employees, presidents, kings, corporals, generals, privates, nuns, monks, buddhists, people in every country, in every religion, with few exceptions if any
do this all the time, ongoing, every day.

So ?

(Most of them, if not all, DO NOT have a choice)

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Murder is worse than oathbreaking, that is why murder carries death penalty and oathbreaking does not.

That is my point, not sure how you could miss that.

It is preferable to not murder than to murder. Saving life takes precedence over other things.

Your point is mute.
Murder is permitted under the law
that required keeping the vow.

So what if murder carries a death penalty !?
People don't care.

Hoshiyya said:

Murder is worse than oathbreaking, that is why murder carries death penalty and oathbreaking does not.
That is my point, not sure how you could miss that.
It is preferable to not murder than to murder. Saving life takes precedence over other things.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Your point is mute.
Murder is permitted under the law
that required keeping the vow.

So what if murder carries a death penalty !?
People don't care.

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"Murder is permitted under the law"

On the contrary, it protects life. Indeed, protecting and saving life takes precedence over other things.

By the same principle, saving life is more important than keeping Shabbat. Even animals' lives may be saved on Shabbat (Matthew 12:11, Luke 14:5).

"People don't care."

The People care.

The Rabbis who formulated the logical and holy principle of Pikuach Nefesh, and those who follow the teachings of Hashem, care.