Let me rephrase the statement in the form of a question, please: "If God exists initially and solely IN the physical universe, could He have originated (created) the universe? I think not, for the same reason a character inside a novel could at some point, initially WRITE the novel.Is the idea so incompatible with Christianity the God we worship EXISTS outside the physical universe.
I have a hard time from the perspective of known cosmology and physics in accepting multi- or parallel universes; I don't see an over-riding reason to do so. On the other hand, I think it foolish to claim "God COULDN'T do that!" in reference to anything to which the claimant objects. The Lord Who Commands Armies is not limited by my tastes or preferences, despite my oft-times implications and not unsubstantial ego.daleksteve said:I don't subscribe to multiverses or parallel universes, universe theory myself...
I agree completely. By whatever name one wishes to identify it, Heaven, Eternity or God's Abode, Almighty God existed prior to the establishment (Creation) of this Universe.daleksteve said:...but this creator God of ours like i said exists outside that physical universe. This suggests there is some sort of other dimension or maybe even more than one beyond our Physical universe.
Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
As far as I can tell the multiverse is idle speculation popular among physicist. It's a myth, not unlike stone age ape men. String theory is not backed by any peer reviewed scientific papers that I can locate.
This picture of the universe, or multiverse, as it is called, explains the long-standing mystery of why the constants of nature appear to be fine-tuned for the emergence of life. The reason is that intelligent observers exist only in those rare bubbles in which, by pure chance, the constants happen to be just right for life to evolve. The rest of the multiverse remains barren, but no one is there to complain about that. (The Case for Parallel Universes, Scientific American)That's the proof? It's a lot of convoluted nonsense with no actual science, only scientists backing it. It's what happens when you simply remove God as first cause, all you have is random nothingness.
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Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
It's not. The correct Christian attitude is "if God made parallel universes, then he's the God of them as well. I needn't trouble myself about it".I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
The catholic church I attended in NJ had these long-handled metallic baskets which were thrust under each churchgoer's nose and kept there embarrassingly long enough to induce a charitable contribution.Some churches pass a collection plate, others don't.
It's like that.
Even in physics, the multiverse is a gross misnomer.
There are many, many dimensions, and manifolds of dimensions that mimic "universes," but there is one universe.
Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
The Hebrew word used in the first verse of the Bible is 'shemayim' (H8064) which is a plural form and the singular form is not used in Hebrew. So it is always translated as 'heavens'. (Just like the English word 'themselves' is always used in plural, very rarely in singular form (themself).juvenissun said:The Bible tells us that there are Heavens right from the beginning.
Scientists arguments were getting silly just based on how unlikely this universe could have appeared per chance, so of course they invented a theory that can never be tested, which imho, shows to what ends they will go to deny our creator.Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
The Hebrew word used in the first verse of the Bible is 'shemayim' (H8064) which is a plural form and the singular form is not used in Hebrew. So it is always translated as 'heavens'. (Just like the English word 'themselves' is always used in plural, very rarely in singular form (themself).
Not to me it doesn't. Here's why.juvenissun said:Ever consider WHY is that the case? Does it imply that God creates universes right at the beginning?
That is probably largely correct, but somewhat simplified.juvenissun said:Scientific speculation on this issue is simply no better than theological understanding.
That can alter one's perspective. The Bible and natural laws are both God's handiwork, so to speak.juvenissun said:In fact, I learned the science of parallel universe FIRST. Then I suddenly noticed that the Bible says exactly the same thing right at the first chapter.
The mulitverse is more of a hypothesis than anything else still. There isn't really any evidence of it, and personally I don't buy it.Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
Multiverses refers to the fact that electrons
do not operate in a specific place, but rather
in a cloud of possibilities.
All through the history of science we've found
that the properties of "small" things also apply
to the "larger" things. With this as the basis,
if this is extrapolated to "our" collection of electrons
then each moment creates a seperate universe possibility.
These expand constantly and each creates it's own
possibilities.
Right, that isnt actually a "vertere," or "[universal] transformation." It is a dimensional phase shift.
There isn't really a multiverse... but there are some exciting spacial and oscillating dimensions that mimic a universe.
The Bible clearly describes parallel or alternate universes. Surely you've heard of Heaven and Hell.Physicists often claim that there are multiverses or parallel universes. Some claim that there are an unimaginably large number of these universes (or even an infinite number).
I'm interested in how Christians should approach the idea of other universes. The idea seems completely incompatible with Christianity.
The Bible clearly describes parallel or alternate universes. Surely you've heard of Heaven and Hell.