Kent Hovind Arrested

AV1611VET said:

It figures that's the part of his post you'd emphasize.

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It figures that you would support book burnings.

Loudmouth said:

It figures that you would support book burnings.

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Maybe has has farenheit 451, on a constant loop.

AV1611VET said:

That doesn't mean anything.

After all, scientists get lockjaw when it comes to explaining the spiritual world (when they're not misrepresenting it); so why couldn't some people at least hope its real?

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7 year old me hoped it was real. 7 year old me was very disappointed very fast.

joshua 1 9 said:

The word is in the Bible. I am not sure I can tell you want sorcery is. You could do a google search on it and see what you come up with. I was attending a church that owned the affiliate WB TV station. This was a point of contention for me that they promoted programs on witchcraft. Jesus was a carpenter and basicly I was a carpenter. But to find a honest job is very difficult. Most of the jobs out there you profit by doing something you should NOT be doing. For example I sold home improvements. That should be honest enough. BUT it was as if one third of the people could not afford what I was selling them and had to borrow money to but it. Then one third of the people really did not want what I was selling them but I forced them into buying something they really did not want or need. If I had to make a living off of the 1/3 that want and needed and could afford what I was selling then I would not have made enough money to support my family. This was a home improvement store. Kinda makes you wonder how you can go wrong helping people to improve their home and their general state of life.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Sorcery-And-Magic

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-_- sorcerers aren't real. My guess is that biblical sorcerers were hacks that knew a little chemistry and slight of hand. Half of modern magicians perform tricks equal to miracles in the bible, and we know they are fake.

Jay Follett said:

As I said, you want to be like them but your brain won't let you.
I feel for you but unfortunately there's nothing I can do for you, you are between a rock and a hard place.

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Nothing I don't already know, and I don't want to be like most believers, who simply hope that their beliefs are true. The degree of evidence it would take to convince me a deity or multiple deities exist would likely satisfy you as well, so what exactly is wrong about how and what I seek? What I want is evidence that wouldn't just satisfy myself, but would be measurable enough to satisfy just about anyone. A personal miracle wouldn't even make a believer out of me; others would have to experience it and corroborate it in such a way that it cannot be some illusion or mistake of the mind.

You might be wondering why I only quoted this much of your post. This is because this is the only part of it that even addresses a point on topic in our conversation.

Either show evidence that NO religious people can be reasoned with, or admit that you are wrong. Which I know you are, because I have seen examples demonstrating how wrong you are within the 3 years I have been a member on this site.

Your issues with the United States are irrelevant; your own country has a theist majority, and I don't hear you complain about how it is in ruins. In fact, most countries do, and while I will not deny that the ones with fewer theists tend to be better off, correlation is not causation. Better schools, medicine, communication, etc. all explain that perfectly without religion being related at all to poverty. Except in cases where tradition obviously will hurt the economy, such as banning women from earning their own wages, there is no reason to think that religion causes any problems that wouldn't exist without it. And before you mention terrorist groups like ISIS, if they weren't religiously motivated, they would find different motivation. When a person dies from a bullet wound, do you blame the gun, or the person firing it? And if a gun wasn't available, do you honestly think that would stop the murder from happening with a different weapon?

joshua 1 9 said:

If you go to a doctor or a psychologies they want at least 100 dollars per hour.

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Not in the UK!

joshua 1 9 said:

People want to ban religion but they want to teach witchcraft and sorcery to their kids.

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It's fiction.

Is it possible to function in society if one cannot tell fact from fiction?

AV1611VET said:

After all, scientists get lockjaw when it comes to explaining the spiritual world.

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Shall I let you into the secret of why that is AV1611VET? don't tell anyone but there is no spirit world or fairies, angels, bogymen, goblins, elves, unicorns, Cyclops, yeti's, Phoenix or Centaurs, it's sad I know but true.

Jay Follett said:

Shall I let you into the secret of why that is AV1611VET? don't tell anyone but there is no spirit world or fairies, angels, bogymen, goblins, elves, unicorns, Cyclops, yeti's, Phoenix or Centaurs, it's sad I know but true.

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To be fair, some previously labelled fictional creatures have been discovered to be real. For example, in Japanese mythology, there is an animal that is essentially identical to the giraffe, with the only major difference being that the animal is supposed to bring good fortune. The Okapi used to be considered pure myth, and think of all the Lazarus taxan that have been found over the years. Unicorns are likely rhinos seen at a distance. Goblins and elves might be based off of ancient nonhuman hominids that at one point were encountered by ancient humans, such as Neanderthals. Thanks to human exaggeration and the telephone game, real creatures become the thing of fantasy.

Larnievc said:

Not in the UK!

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Go on why not really make his day and tell him you have never had a doctors or hospital bill in your life, tell him you have never even seen one, while Americans pay out money hand over fist for treatment you never pay anything.

At least you vote Labour and not Conservative so you must at least be a socialist and a commie sympathiser, I expect you live in a compound surrounded by barbed wire and watch towers and you're only allowed to shower on Wednesdays after roll call.

How long do you think it will be before Americans wise up and see what they are missing? did you know they don't even have any holidays? they are afraid to take holidays in case they lose their jobs, because if they lose their jobs they lose their health insurance. The U.S. is the only advanced nation in the world that doesn't guarantee its workers annual leave, according to a report titled "No-Vacation Nation" by the Centre for Economic and Policy Research.
But at least they're free.

PsychoSarah said:

To be fair, some previously labelled fictional creatures have been discovered to be real.

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If they are real animals one can only assume that someone saw the real thing once but people didn't believe them and thought they were a myth, even when it arrived in Europe and they had it in their hands they thought the Duck Billed Platypus was an animal made from a few animals sewn together.

Jay Follett said:

If they are real animals one can only assume that someone saw the real thing once but people didn't believe them and thought they were a myth, even when it arrived in Europe and they had it in their hands they thought the Duck Billed Platypus was an animal made from a few animals sewn together.

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No duh. Okapi skins were even provided, and people thought the animal didn't exist. Also, people could have believed them, but the animal could have been elusive or near extinction, thus falling into myth.

Why are you all posting on such an old thread? Hovind has been out of jail, paid for the crime, over and over again on trumped up charges that were worth nothing, but spent as much time in prison as a rapist would have for them. Our society is calling evil good and good evil to an extreme.

Jay Follett said:

Shall I let you into the secret of why that is AV1611VET? don't tell anyone but there is no spirit world or fairies, angels, bogymen, goblins, elves, unicorns, Cyclops, yeti's, Phoenix or Centaurs, it's sad I know but true.

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No Jesus either?

mickiio said:

Why are you all posting on such an old thread? Hovind has been out of jail, paid for the crime, over and over again on trumped up charges that were worth nothing, but spent as much time in prison as a rapist would have for them. Our society is calling evil good and good evil to an extreme.

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We're celebrating his release!

mickiio said:

Why are you all posting on such an old thread? Hovind has been out of jail, paid for the crime, over and over again on trumped up charges that were worth nothing,

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Because of comments like that, that's why.

AV1611VET said:

No Jesus either?

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I don't know, we only have the bible to go on because he's not mentioned anywhere else, I expect you have been told there are dozens of accounts of Jesus because that's what all believers want to believe, so if that's what you want to hear, there are dozens of accounts about the life of Jesus, if he did exist he was from a very small village so it's doubtful if he would have been literate, 95% of people at that time were not, only well off people had the money to have their children taught, his fishermen friends would certainly not have been literate.
Historian do know that if he did exist he had been dead for at least 50 years before one word was written about him so any truth about him would have been twisted out of all proportion, remember all they had at the time was stories and stories get changed and enhanced with every telling.

mickiio said:

Why are you all posting on such an old thread? Hovind has been out of jail, paid for the crime, over and over again on trumped up charges that were worth nothing, but spent as much time in prison as a rapist would have for them. Our society is calling evil good and good evil to an extreme.

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We can only guess from your comments that he or someone in his organisation has suckered you into giving him money.
Everything about the man is a con, even his bogus degree was store bought, he's a book and video seller who tells lies to people who he knows will never check to see if he's telling lies, he runs a money making racket that's all he does.

mickiio said:

Why are you all posting on such an old thread? Hovind has been out of jail, paid for the crime, over and over again on trumped up charges that were worth nothing, but spent as much time in prison as a rapist would have for them. Our society is calling evil good and good evil to an extreme.

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He must have had a bad lawyer, if he couldn't get him off on trumped charges.

Jay Follett said:

Shall I let you into the secret of why that is AV1611VET? don't tell anyone but there is no spirit world or fairies, angels, bogymen, goblins, elves, unicorns, Cyclops, yeti's, Phoenix or Centaurs, it's sad I know but true.

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You have no way of knowing if any of these exist or not. You can perhaps say there is no scientific evidence. Although angels are very common with near death experiences and I have seen them. Sort of like you can see steam heat. They are energy and at times you can see that energy. One example I can think of is a girl that is a physical therapist working with post op patients. Her angel was at least 12 to 15 feet tall. Actually he was bigger then the room and he was looking down through the ceiling. Only for him there was no ceiling in that room. Now there is no evidence for the existence of this angel. Still he was very much a part of the rehab work she was doing in a very medical setting. It does not matter at all if you believe or not because your lack of belief has absolutely no effect on the work they are doing. Patients are still being helped and she is still helping them to receive the healing that God has for them. Your lack of faith only means that you miss out on what God has for you. You are the only one that has anything to gain or lose. You should be more open and receptive to receive at least some of what God wants and has for you. Our only part is that we deliver the message that God gives us to deliver and then we are done, we are through. What you do with that message has no impact on us at all.