The second coming of Jesus Christ is LITERAL, not figurative, metaphoric, nor private

Justme · Feb 28, 2016

[QUOTE="he-man, post: 69319145, member: 271484"
Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
DO DEAD people drink and eat if they are SPIRIT? Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
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There we go, one of the verses.
Yes, the KJV renders it as shew openly. The Greek that 'shew openly' is taken from is:
(From Strong)

emphanēs.... which apparently means...
manifest
fig. of God giving proofs of his saving grace and thus manifesting himself

As I said the NASB renders it closer to the original Greek than many versions when it reads as:
40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,

You quote John 20 where Jesus did not want to be touched... He had not manifested at that time. Then you feel you have a verse which would contradict Jesus being invisible, hence spiritual, in or somehow around the tomb. I like Luke 24 :39 here because it also makes it clear that at this time Jesus was NON SPIRIT.
39 See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40 And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.

However, the bible explains why Jesus was NON SPIRIT at this moment. Jesus manifested Himself as totally physical three times after He was raised from the dead. Once at a fish fry and twice as He showed the wounds. That is mentioned in John 21:14
14 This is now the third time that Jesus was manifested to the disciples, after He was raised from the dead.
All the rest of the time Jesus was a spirit who had been granted to be seen by witnesses by God. Jesus was spirit as He spoke in the prison, Jesus was spirit while He met with the thief, Jesus was spirit as He met with Paul near Damascus. Jesus became spirit as Paul writes in 1 COR 15
45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
To your questions: Do dead people drink and eat... apparently in three instances which Jesus outlines , spirit do drink and eat... at the fish fry, at the times when He showed the wounds BECAUSE He had manifested Himself as fully physical to prove some points.

Spirits talk, interact with other spirits, have a spiritual body, all those things , it is just that we as mortals can not speak, interact or see them.
You quote:

Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one!
Yes and that one God is spirit:
John 4
24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45.

Justme

random person · Feb 28, 2016

cgaviria said:
The elect do not go to heaven. This is a false doctrine. The elect are all raised up at once if dead, and all changed into immortal bodies on the earth, to then reign on the earth at the return of Iesou Christ.

1 peter 1:4
1 corinthians 15:50
luke 17:20
john 18:36

death the final enemy is represented by the mosaic law - 1 corinthians 15:54-56 & 2 corinthians 3:7

revelation 6:9-11 - the martyrs in sheol represented as underneath the alter see hebrews 9:8

revelation 15:1, 4-5, 8 - god pours out his wrath on physical israel and jerusalem for shedding the blood of the apostles and prophets the angels sing the song of moses from deuteronomy 32 the song of moses is a prophecy about the final days of israel and the old covenant

revelation 20:4 - the martyrs are raised/resurrected from sheol and given thrones in heaven after the destruction of jerusalem (babylonian harlot) and destruction of the mosaic covenant (death - 1 cor. 15:54-56 & 2 cor. 3:7 & heb. 9:8)

he-man · Feb 29, 2016

Justme said:
That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45.Justme

Please learn how to read KOINE Greek! Act 10:40 Him G5126 God G2316 raised up G1453 the G3588 third G5154 day,G2250 and G2532 shewed him openly G1325 G846 G1096 G1717
G1325 δίδωμι VERB to grant or permit one
G846 αὐτός him
G1096 γίνομαι to become
G1717 ἐμφανής manifest, openly.
Translation Greek - English : ἐμφανής apparent, conspicuous, glaring
Here are the the Greek words that you are trying to say of that meaning that you prepose:
ολοφάνερος transparent
όψη πρόσωπο visableAct 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly As for your inadequate explanation of "]That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45."
Jer 50:5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.
Is 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Ps 126:1 A SongH7892 of degrees.H4609 When the LORDH3068 turned againH7725 (H853) the captivityH7870 of Zion,H6726 we wereH1961 like them that dream.H2492
:2 ThenH227 was our mouthH6310 filledH4390 with laughter,H7814 and our tongueH3956 with singing:H7440 thenH227 saidH559 they among the heathen,H1471 The LORDH3068 hath doneH6213 great thingsH1431 forH5973 them.H428
3 The LORDH3068 hath doneH6213 great thingsH1431 forH5973 us; whereof we areH1961 glad.H8056
4 Turn againH7725 (H853) our captivity,H7622 O LORD,H3068 as the streamsH650 in the south.H5045
5 They that sowH2232 in tearsH1832 shall reapH7114 in joy.H7440
6 He that goeth forthH1980 H1980 and weepeth,H1058 bearingH5375 preciousH4901 seed,H2233 shall doubtless come againH935 H935 with rejoicing,H7440 bringingH5375 his sheavesH485 with him.

Justme · Feb 29, 2016

he-man said:
Please learn how to read KOINE Greek! Act 10:40 Him G5126 God G2316 raised up G1453 the G3588 third G5154 day,G2250 and G2532 shewed him openly G1325 G846 G1096 G1717
G1325 δίδωμι VERB to grant or permit one
G846 αὐτός him
G1096 γίνομαι to become
G1717 ἐμφανής manifest, openly.
Translation Greek - English : ἐμφανής apparent, conspicuous, glaring
Here are the the Greek words that you are trying to say of that meaning that you prepose:
ολοφάνερος transparent
όψη πρόσωπο visableAct 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly As for your inadequate explanation of "]That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45."

I have no need to read koine Greek, Strong already knows how, I just use his work.
You admit that the word in there for shew openly includes manifest. Here is what manifest means:
Merriam-Webster
able to be seen : clearly shown or visible: easy to understand or recognize
God granted that Jesus become visible. That means Jesus was INVISIBLE at the point just before that or Jesus was a spirit. God needed witnesses to verify that Jesus did indeed raose from the dead so He granted that Jesus become visible.
John 3
John 1:14 [ The Word Made Flesh ] And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Then that flesh was killed and Jesus again became spirit:
1 COR 15
45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
What needs to be added to the above?
Justme

MerriestHouse · Mar 1, 2016

cgaviria said:
The dead are raised at the coming of Iesou Christ, hence "afterward they that are Christ's at his coming". The end or the rulership of Iesou occurs when "For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet", and the last enemy to be destroyed is death, hence "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death", then after this last enemy is destroyed, which we know death will be destroyed after the millennial kingdom, then this happens, "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all" and "Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power". Its pretty obvious. You should think this through in relation to many other scriptures. These few verses cover a large span of time. I am very well studied in this topic, so instead of being arrogant in your own confusion, perhaps you should humble yourself and learn a thing or two by someone who can better reconcile all scriptures than you.

Also, the kingdom of God is currently a spiritual kingdom, so yes, it cannot be seen at the moment. But that is not to say that this kingdom will always be spiritual. One day this kingdom will become a physical kingdom on the earth, that will be seen by all.

Also, "my kingdom is not of this world" is a mistranslation. Should read, "my kingdom is not of this eon", meaning that the kingdom of Iesou Christ pertains to the next eon, which is when it will become physically manifested, not just spiritually inside believers, but an actual kingdom on the earth, which is brought forth when he comes again, which is the whole point of him returning, to establish his earthly kingdom, and castrate nations. Pretty much the whole story of the Israelites conquering other nations to take over the promised land was a foreshadow of a greater war to come, the one of Iesou Christ coming to take control of the earth, along with his army of myriads upon myriads of holy angels, and his people whom he has collected from the four winds of the earth, even rescuing his people from death (the resurrection)! Its a magnificent thing that will happen, all for the glory of God. If you cannot understand these basic truths, then I feel pity for you, you do not understand the wonders of God.

The Jews were also looking for an earthly kingdom 2,000 years ago just like men are today. 2,000 years is a third of the 6,000 years "time for mankind." Why are you still "gazing up into heaven?"

John 16:16 "A little while, and you will see me no more; again a little while, and you will see me." 17 Some of his disciples said to one another, "What is this that he says to us, 'A little while, and you will not see me, and again a little while, and you will see me'; and, 'because I go to the Father'?" 18 They said, "What does he mean by 'a little while'? We do not know what he means." 19 Jesus knew that they wanted to ask him; so he said to them, "Is this what you are asking yourselves, what I meant by saying, 'A little while, and you will not see me, and again a little while, and you will see me'? 20 Truly, truly, I say to you, you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will turn into joy. 21 When a woman is in travail she has sorrow, because her hour has come; but when she is delivered of the child, she no longer remembers the anguish, for joy that a child is born into the world. 22 So you have sorrow now, but I will see you again and your hearts will rejoice, and no one will take your joy from you."

The disciples of Jesus saw Him in a "little while" after their physical death.

2 Corinthians 5:16 "From now on, therefore, we regard no one from a human point of view; even though we once regarded Christ from a human point of view, we regard him thus no longer. 17 Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, behold, the new has come.'

he-man · Mar 1, 2016

Justme said:
I have no need to read koine Greek, Strong already knows how, I just use his work. Then that flesh was killed and Jesus again became spirit:1 COR 1545Justme

G1717 ἐμφανής manifest, openly. Translation Greek - English : ἐμφανής apparent, conspicuous, glaring
NOT the Greek words that you are trying to say of that meaning that you prepose: ολοφάνερος transparent; visible not invisible! You have need of a further Hebrew/ Greek study: H1305 בָּרַר bârar A primitive root; to clarify (that is, brighten), examine, select: - make bright, choice, chosen, cleanse (be clean), clearly, polished, (shew self) pure (-ify), purge (out).
G5457 φῶς phōs From an obsoleteφάω phaō (to shine or make manifest, especially by rays; compare G5316 and G5346); luminousness (in the widest application, natural or artificial, abstract or concrete, literal or figurative): - fire, light.
G5316 φαίνω phainō Prolongation for the base of G5457; to lighten (shine), that is, show (transitive or intransitive, literal or figurative): - appear, seem, be seen, shine, X think.
G5318 φανερός phaneros From G5316; shining, that is, apparent (literally or figuratively); neuter (as adverb) publicly, externally: - abroad, + appear, known, manifest, open [+ -ly], outward ([+ -ly]).
G5319 φανερόω phaneroō From G5318; to render apparent (literally or figuratively): - appear, manifestly declare, (make) manifest (forth), shew (self).
G1718 ἐμφανίζω emphanizō From G1717; to exhibit (in person) or disclose (by words): - appear, declare (plainly), inform, (will) manifest, shew, signify.
Jn 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest [G1717] thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
όψη πρόσωπο visable Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly As for your inadequate explanation of "

Justme said:

That one God became flesh to live among man, He is now spirit again, 1 COR 15:45." So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. What needs to be added to the above?

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How about the truth?1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. To be visible does not mean he was invisible! He was never invisible until after his ascension, not before!

Jer 50:5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.
Is 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Ps 126:1 A SongH7892 of degrees.H4609 When the LORDH3068 turned againH7725 (H853) the captivityH7870 of Zion,H6726 we wereH1961 like them that dream.H2492
:2 ThenH227 was our mouthH6310 filledH4390 with laughter,H7814 and our tongueH3956 with singing:H7440 thenH227 saidH559 they among the heathen,H1471 The LORDH3068 hath doneH6213 great thingsH1431 forH5973 them.H428
3 The LORDH3068 hath doneH6213 great thingsH1431 forH5973 us; whereof we areH1961 glad.H8056
4 Turn againH7725 (H853) our captivity,H7622 O LORD,H3068 as the streamsH650 in the south.H5045
5 They that sowH2232 in tearsH1832 shall reapH7114 in joy.H7440
6 He that goeth forthH1980 H1980 and weepeth,H1058 bearingH5375 preciousH4901 seed,H2233 shall doubtless come againH935 H935 with rejoicing,H7440 bringingH5375 his sheavesH485 with him.

Justme · Mar 1, 2016

he-man said:
G1717 ἐμφανής manifest, openly. Translation Greek - English : ἐμφανής apparent, conspicuous, glaring
NOT the Greek words that you are trying to say of that meaning that you prepose: ολοφάνερος transparent; visible not invisible! You have need of a further Hebrew/ Greek study: H1305 בָּרַר bârar A primitive root; to clarify (that is, brighten), examine, select: - make bright, choice, chosen, cleanse (be clean), clearly, polished, (shew self) pure (-ify), purge (out).

όψη πρόσωπο visable Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly As for your inadequate explanation of " How about the truth?1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. To be visible does not mean he was invisible! He was never invisible until after his ascension, not before!

He-man here is the verse in question from the NASB:
40 God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible,
Jesus has to be INVISIBLE for God to grant that He become VISIBLE. Other versions use various words there but the Greek DOES justify the Lockman foundation to say VISIBLE. Easy to grasp as well, because Jesus just got done speaking in the prison WITHOUT His flesh body which was locked in the tomb.
We can gain some confidence that INVISIBLE is a good choice by the next verse:

41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead.
Jesus was only seen by those chosen to be witnesses. The guards didn't see Him.... see any intervention from God yet? Next Jesus was naked as He stood in front of the tomb... why did no one mention that fact...intervention from God showing up yet?

Next have you decided when the three manifestations of Jesus took place from John 21:14, NASB? We know the third one was the fish feed but when was the first and second manifestations?
Jesus was spirit as He passed thru the wall/door to exhibit His wounds from the cross. Jesus was spirit as He disappeared from the table.
What causes you to think Jesus had to be physical as He left planet earth?

Justme

he-man · Mar 2, 2016

Justme said:
What causes you to think Jesus had to be physical as He left planet earth? Justme

Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Adam came before the second and heavenly Adam, so the animal-souled body comes first, and must die before it be changed into the spiritual body (that is, that in which the Spirit predominates over the animal soul. )[JFB]
That was not first which is spiritual - The natural or animal body, described 1Co_15:44, was the first; it was the body with which Adam was created. The spiritual body is the last, and is that with which the soul is to be clothed in the resurrection.[CLARKE]
Howbeit, that was not first which is spiritual,.... As the apostle before proves the distinction of a natural and spiritual body, and gives instances of both in the two principal men in the world, the first and the last; and points out the difference between them, the one being animated, and having life given unto it, the other animating, and giving life to others; proceeds to observe the order of these, how that one was before the other; the spiritual body, though the more perfect and most excellent, yet was not first in being: [GILL]

random person · Mar 3, 2016

Justme said:
There is zero possibility of Jesus ever physically appearing on planet earth ever again. I know that because Jesus appears to each of us, 2 COR 5:10, ti judge each of us, Hebrews 9:27. No matter what happens our bodies rot and return to dust, our spirits return to God, if we are found righteous in our judgment AFTER pour death then we are taken to heaven , 2 COR 5:1.

Justme

you are correct!

jesus posseses no body anymore in heaven, to those arguing against this such as he-man, what does jesus pray in john 17:5?

and again, what does hebrews 13:8 say?

jesus is spirit now. and no longer lowly and humbled in the flesh anymore but glorified with the glory of the father who is a spirit.

Justme · Mar 3, 2016

he-man said:
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; 1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Adam came before the second and heavenly Adam, so the animal-souled body comes first, and must die before it be changed into the spiritual body (that is, that in which the Spirit predominates over the animal soul. )[JFB]
That was not first which is spiritual - The natural or animal body, described 1Co_15:44, was the first; it was the body with which Adam was created. The spiritual body is the last, and is that with which the soul is to be clothed in the resurrection.[CLARKE]
Howbeit, that was not first which is spiritual,.... As the apostle before proves the distinction of a natural and spiritual body, and gives instances of both in the two principal men in the world, the first and the last; and points out the difference between them, the one being animated, and having life given unto it, the other animating, and giving life to others; proceeds to observe the order of these, how that one was before the other; the spiritual body, though the more perfect and most excellent, yet was not first in being: [GILL]

There are two bodies available to mankind, the earthly or the heavenly, the natural or the spiritual.
The earth body is the physical body we are in now. AFTER that , after the earth body decays we get a heavenly body . That body is invisible.
Adam was never an animal, nor will we be. Adam sinned and that held him back from the eternal life in heaven that was promised in the beginning.
Adam died the death that reigned from his time to Moses..
Roman 5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Justme

Berean777 · Mar 3, 2016

random person said:
you are correct!

jesus posseses no body anymore in heaven, to those arguing against this such as he-man, what does jesus pray in john 17:5?

and again, what does hebrews 13:8 say?

jesus is spirit now. and no longer lowly and humbled in the flesh anymore but glorified with the glory of the father who is a spirit.

Define spirit please.

Berean777 · Mar 3, 2016

Justme said:
There are two bodies available to mankind, the earthly or the heavenly, the natural or the spiritual.
The earth body is the physical body we are in now. AFTER that , after the earth body decays we get a heavenly body . That body is invisible.
Adam was never an animal, nor will we be. Adam sinned and that held him back from the eternal life in heaven that was promised in the beginning.
Adam died the death that reigned from his time to Moses..
Roman 5
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Justme

Is the heavenly body a real and tangible body used as a the vessel of the soul?

Please define heavenly body.

random person · Mar 3, 2016

Berean777 said:
Define spirit please.

god is a spirit.

the absence of flesh and blood (1 corinthians 15:50)

Berean777 · Mar 3, 2016

random person said:
god is a spirit.

the absence of flesh and blood (1 corinthians 15:50)

Living conscious personal being right?

Justme · Mar 4, 2016

Berean777 said:
Is the heavenly body a real and tangible body used as a the vessel of the soul?

Please define heavenly body.

It is very real but it is NOT tangible or touchable by mortals. Spirits can interact with each other but we can not see or interact with spirits until we become spirits ourselves.
The spiritual body clothes or covers the spirit or soul as 2 COR 5:1 to 4 tells us.
Jesus is spirit in a spiritual or heavenly body... intangible, incorporeal and invisible to mortals. 1 COR 15:45 says that.

Justme

parousia70 · Mar 4, 2016

he-man said:
To be visible does not mean he was invisible! He was never invisible until after his ascension, not before!

Never??

Luke 24:31 (Before the Ascension)
Then their eyes were opened and they knew Him; and He vanished from their sight.

random person · Mar 4, 2016

Berean777 said:
Living conscious personal being right?

what form do you believe jesus has today?

a ) flesh - hebrews 2:7-9 & philippians 2:7-9

b ) spirit - john 17:5 & hebrews 13:8 (1 corinthians 15:50)

Berean777 · Mar 4, 2016

random person said:
what form do you believe jesus has today?

a ) flesh - hebrews 2:7-9 & philippians 2:7-9

b ) spirit - john 17:5 & hebrews 13:8 (1 corinthians 15:50)

Please answer my question first.

Do you believe that God is a living conscious personal being, who you can come to personally know and experience?

The answer required is a simple Yes or No.

Berean777 · Mar 4, 2016

Justme said:
It is very real but it is NOT tangible or touchable by mortals. Spirits can interact with each other but we can not see or interact with spirits until we become spirits ourselves.
The spiritual body clothes or covers the spirit or soul as 2 COR 5:1 to 4 tells us.
Jesus is spirit in a spiritual or heavenly body... intangible, incorporeal and invisible to mortals. 1 COR 15:45 says that.

Justme

Before Jesus ascended up to the Father he told Mary Magdelen not to touch him. After ascended up to the Father and coming back after a week Jesus said to Thomas.....

“Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Preterist say that when Jesus ascended up to the Father he reverted to being a bodiless spirit, however when he came back, he showed his heavenly body to Thomas and the disciples.

What did the disciples think of him and what did Jesus say.....

37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

The post resurrection heavenly body of the Lord after coming back from the Father in his glorified state, was flesh and bone without blood. There is the absence of blood as Random Person stated. This form can manifest at will at any GPS coordinates and can be hidden from a person's perception. It is so real a form, that Jesus demonstrated it by allowing them to touch him and by eating broiled fish before the disciples to show them that he is not a spirit as Preterist believe.

To make an assertion that Jesus is forever a spirit and never a form who can manifest at will, is contradictory to scripture.

Saint Stephan witnessed the Lord coming for him, just before he was put to death.

55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Now Stephan a man of Galilee SAW the Lord coming for him on his last day and hour in the earthly body, according to what the angel had told him and other apostles previously, within the chronology of events in the Acts of the Apostles. Here is the event.......

"Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven." (ACTS 1:11)

Saint Stephan a man of Galilee did not SEE a spirit standing on the right hand of power (figure of speech to declare the Christ as the almighty authority), rather he was made to see before he died, the same manifestation of the risen glorified Lord as he had shown himself to the disciples before ascending up to heaven.

For Preterists to discount these facts they must one by one make a contradictory presumptive rule in order to still maintain that the Lord is merely a spirit, who cannot be seen or to manifest. In this regard Saint Stephan didn't see a spirit, he was made to see the glorified Lord as he saw him in Acts 1:11 disappearing into heaven from his sight.

Therefore the heavenly body is a real and tangible body that can manifest at will at any GPS coordinates and also be hidden and revealed and consume food without needing to.

random person · Mar 4, 2016

Berean777 said:
Please answer my question first.

Do you believe that God is a living conscious personal being, who you can come to personally know and experience?

The answer required is a simple Yes or No.

of course he is.

but also christ asked to receive the glory he possessed before the earth was formed. how many flesh and blood jewish men were running around in the heavens back then? see john 17:5

The second coming of Jesus Christ is LITERAL, not figurative, metaphoric, nor private

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