well..about being a Messianic gentile

Welcome!!!!! You'll fit right in.

sahjimira said:

Been on the fence for some time now. I love this site and am grateful for all the kind help I've gotten in better understanding Jewish roots. I do think that as a gentile (Christian) I am to be mindful of God's laws, the feasts, new moons and other things that don't come to mind right now. I have come to believe I don't have to practice the feasts etc. under the law but b mindful and learn their significance. I hope I can still b part of this forum and continue to learn. Love in Christ

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I'm glad you've had a chance to search us out and learn and have decided to follow your heart. Best wishes on your journey!

Welcome, if you're looking to learn more, then I highly recommend the audio teachings and articles at this site:

http://rabbiyeshua.com/kehilat-store/audio-teachings

We gone through Romans and Galatians verse by verse and just started with Hebrews.

Of course you can be! There are many different types of people here, which keeps the place interesting!

sahjimira said:

Been on the fence for some time now. I love this site and am grateful for all the kind help I've gotten in better understanding Jewish roots. I do think that as a gentile (Christian) I am to be mindful of God's laws, the feasts, new moons and other things that don't come to mind right now. I have come to believe I don't have to practice the feasts etc. under the law but b mindful and learn their significance. I hope I can still b part of this forum and continue to learn. Love in Christ

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What is the difference of being mindful of Jehovas Feasts, and not practicing them vs practicing them?

The Lone Ranger said:

What is the difference of being mindful of Jehovas Feasts, and not practicing them vs practicing them?

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Good question! I think it comes down to are you trying to observe them. First off we are NOT in the land and that itself presents problems that preclude our ability to follow the directions given to observe impossible.

To me being mindful would mean you arent doing anything in the way of consecrating the day setting it aside and functionally doing something.

We can use Passover or sukkot as an example. With Sukkot many synagogues will physically erect a Sukkos. Havurah (bible study, fellowship) will be conducted in the Sukkos. Shabbat service may be held in the Sukkos but does anyone literally sleep for 7 straight days in a Sukkos? Well, at least up here where I live no one does.

For Passover... is anyone setting aside the passover lamb 5 days prior to passover and presenting it to Adonai for inspection at the temple? Do we then kill the passover lamb at the prescribed time? No, of course not.

We do however observe the passover seder.

I have to tell you that the passover seder is my favorite holiday of any holiday on the calendar #2 being Thanksgiving! Hmmm maybe it has to do with all those wonderful foods lol

sahjimira said:

Well like putting up a shelter at Sukkot or the formalities for Sabbath like lighting candles etc.. I don't have opportunity but will b joining a Messianic congregation soon so that should help

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I wish you blessings in that. I tried it and found it to be cold and not for me. It was like I was trying to be something I was not (like a Jew?) This was over a period of some 5-10 years. It never 'took'. I finally went back to being a plain ole Christian and am much happier. I do like to study the Feasts of Israel. But that is as far as it goes now. Sunday is the Lord's day and the Shabbat is still the Shabbat...they were never meant to be the equivalent days. People need to stop trying to make them so. It can cause so much sorrow as it did for me. Same thing for the holidays. Live and let live.
Do not demand everyone worship the same way, for they both worship the Lord and He is well pleased.

zippy2 said:

Do not demand everyone worship the same way, for they both worship the Lord and He is well pleased.

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There is a difference between worshiping different ways and worshiping
on the wrong days and celebrating feasts that were not commanded.
When we celebrate Christmas or Easter, we may as well carve idols to
place on our hearth and bow to them, saying these are God. That is what
the Hebrews did when they made the golden calf. Was he very pleased
with them? No, he was going to wipe them out for it.

Read Deuteronomy 12:4, 12:29-32; Deuteronomy 20:18 ;Jeremiah 10:2
Leviticus 20:23.

zippy2 said:

I wish you blessings in that. I tried it and found it to be cold and not for me. It was like I was trying to be something I was not (like a Jew?) This was over a period of some 5-10 years. It never 'took'. I finally went back to being a plain ole Christian and am much happier. I do like to study the Feasts of Israel. But that is as far as it goes now. Sunday is the Lord's day and the Shabbat is still the Shabbat...they were never meant to be the equivalent days. People need to stop trying to make them so. It can cause so much sorrow as it did for me. Same thing for the holidays. Live and let live.
Do not demand everyone worship the same way, for they both worship the Lord and He is well pleased.

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There is absolutely nothing what so ever wrong with worshiping on Sunday.

The problem is when one attempts to supplant Sabbath for a so called "Lords day"

One simply can not point to any scripture that declares Sabbath is put aside. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The theology of Sabbath is put aside for the "Lords Day" utterly fails this evidentiary test. Even the most ardent Paulian doctrine that supposedly supports that thesis relies on indirect, mury distortions of the teachings of Paul and rely heavily on ignoring clear warnings of scripture namely:
2 Peter 3:14-16 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

I am sure you are saying that you are being "Led by the Spirit" There is however a very serious problem with your stance.

If indeed you are being led by the Spirit, WHERE is the Spirit leading you? Doesnt scripture state that the Spirit will lead you in all truth?

WHAT IS TRUTH? What does SCRIPTURE have to say about what is truth?

Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.

The sum of Your word is truth, And every one of Your righteous ordinances is everlasting.

Thou art near, O Lord; and all thy commandments are truth.

So, we see that the Law/Torah/Commandments IS TRUTH

So if indeed you are LED by the Spirit he will lead you to the Torah.

You can not say that you desire to be upright, walking in holiness and reject the Torah. Such a statement is self deception. If indeed you TRULY seek holiness you will find yourself delighting in the Law as David proclaimed.

More scripture regarding the Law:
Praise the LORD. Blessed are those who fear the LORD, who find great delight in his commands.

I rejoice in following your statutes as one rejoices in great riches.

My son, give me your heart and let your eyes delight in my ways,

But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law does he …


Here is what Paul has to say about the Law.... For I delight in the law of God after the inward man

sahjimira said:

Well like putting up a shelter at Sukkot or the formalities for Sabbath like lighting candles etc.. I don't have opportunity but will b joining a Messianic congregation soon so that should help

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God bless you Sahj! Good luck on your Torah observance.

zippy2 said:

I wish you blessings in that. I tried it and found it to be cold and not for me. It was like I was trying to be something I was not (like a Jew?) This was over a period of some 5-10 years. It never 'took'. I finally went back to being a plain ole Christian and am much happier. I do like to study the Feasts of Israel. But that is as far as it goes now. Sunday is the Lord's day and the Shabbat is still the Shabbat...they were never meant to be the equivalent days. People need to stop trying to make them so. It can cause so much sorrow as it did for me. Same thing for the holidays. Live and let live.
Do not demand everyone worship the same way, for they both worship the Lord and He is well pleased.

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Thank you for sharing that, there are some Gentiles who are like Ruth and some who are like Orpah, it sounds to me like you may be like the latter.

Lulav,

I am very surprised you would equate me with Oprah, as she went back to 'serving other gods'.

I went back to the church.

Were you mistaken?

15 "Look," said Naomi, "your sister-in-law (Orpah) is going back to her people and her gods. Go back with her."

I won't darken the door of this forum again, so not to worry.

Lulav said:

Thank you for sharing that, there are some Gentiles who are like Ruth and some who are like Orpah, it sounds to me like you may be like the latter.

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Unless that person is an idol worshipper.

Is the person you're saying is like Orpah an idol worshipper?

zippy2 said:

Lulav,

I am very surprised you would equate me with Oprah, as she went back to 'serving other gods'.

I went back to the church.

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And you follow your church's commands, not God's.

Lulav said:

Thank you for sharing that, there are some Gentiles who are like Ruth and some who are like Orpah, it sounds to me like you may be like the latter.

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Wow..... Just wow. With a smile even.

pat34lee said:

And you follow your church's commands, not God's.

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Christians don't follow God's commands? Really? They follow other gods?

zippy2 said:

Lulav,

I am very surprised you would equate me with Oprah, as she went back to 'serving other gods'.

I went back to the church.

Were you mistaken?

15 "Look," said Naomi, "your sister-in-law (Orpah) is going back to her people and her gods. Go back with her."

I won't darken the door of this forum again, so not to worry.

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big macher said:

Unless that person is an idol worshipper.

Is the person you're saying is like Orpah an idol worshipper?

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Shimshon said:

Wow..... Just wow. With a smile even.

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I'm sorry that was not what I was saying at all.

This was something I'd heard years ago from my Messianic Rabbi. He was speaking of the Gentiles that were attracted to MJ, saying some were like Ruth who stayed with Naomi and took her people for her own, and then there are ones like Orpah who while married to the Jewish man she was attracted to him not his people; So when he died she went back to her own people.

I apologize Zippy if you think I was saying that about other gods for I certainly wasn't, I just meant you went back to where you felt comfortable and where you thought you would most benefit, that's all.


I understand a guest to this forum to misunderstand me, but others