I'm guessing that's at the heart of this. I'm getting used to it. I know what is in my heart during worship, and more importantly God knows what is in my heart during worship. Water off a duck.
I'd even venture to guess that some of those bringing this stuff up have pictures of their relatives either hanging on their walls in crafted frames, or even in their wallets.
You answer with your opinions and orthodoxes people opinions, but you keep ignoring the Word of God.This verse refers of course to stones painted various colors as a form of idol. There are a vast array of anti-idolatry verses; we could go through every one and I could explain how it does not refer to icons, but as I need to sleep I will let my Orthodox and RC friends take over. However I am sure our debate will continue when I rise, and I will respond to interesting posts made during my somnolescence.
Acts 19:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
I've never heard of a talking icon. If something like that occurred in the Orthodox Church it would be unlikely to be attributed to God.
That's the only thing that really matters. The use of sacred images has been an indivisible part of our churches since its creation (when we were united) and a key to understand the christian faith, only with the Reformation (better said Deformation) mentalities like these happened to appear...
Bowing to someone is a show of respect or veneration. Gentlemen used to do it to ladies all the time before feminism demanded otherwise. Are you of the belief that men used to worship women?
No one claimed this. I have stated that God has performed miracles through icons. He has also done the same through the relics of the Saints.
Utterly false. No one has made this claim.
We also do this with the Gospels. The thing is, we know that we are not worshipping them, because we know that they are not God. We never give them the worship we reserve solely for God.
Archaeology has demonstrated that the Synagogues were full of icons. Jews were not iconoclasts.
That building was built before-christ and re-used by other cultures indeed, so those paints could be made by some christians whom decided to make a paint on the walls as a decoration, as an account of Biblical histories and the Bible doesn't forbid that, but that doesn't demonstrate which apostles used icons nor ordered to make icons to carry them on the streets and to kiss them and to bow down to them which is more than to show history through a paint or to make a decoration.
That happened also through the Jesus's vest cause Jesus dressed it, but there is no way by reading these verse to say which icons can make miracles or which God makes miracles through icons. And that one of Paul vests was a miracle necessary to heal multiple persons cause God wanted so, as it was necessary to Jesus to make the multiplication of the bread and fishes (no one indeed made reliquaries with bread and fishes thinking to have food for all the life). The merit is of The creator, not of the creation, wood remains wood.
That's prostration. It looks like the priests are prostrating themselves before the blessed Sacrament.
Mm hm. You seem a bit testy here. In your hurry to abandon this conversation, I think you might have overlooked my point. We're not dumb and we don't believe we're lying. Again, those two truths are manifest. So do you think it's possible that there are nuances to this you haven't considered?
Are you referring to the Christian Church
You asked for Scripture demonstrating God performing miracles through artifacts, I provided. Can you now provide any scripture which states God will not perform miracles through specific types of artifacts, eg. icons?
We have no proof which those objects could keep having the Holy Spirit operating, as we have no proof of fishes still multiplication cause of the effect of the miracle, so we cannot take fishes and cover them with gold and kiss them and bow down to them.
