Pain and humbleness

let's say you got a splinter in your finger, and you asked your Dad to take it out - would he say 'you've just been way too arrogant lately; i'm leaving that splinter in your finger until you humble yourself'?

this will help:

http://moorelife.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/ReceivingAndMinisteringHealing.xml
http://moorelife.org/listseries.php?xml=rss/ReceivingAndMinisteringHealing2.xml

http://www.awmi.net/ministry-focus/audio/1036

I'm glad you are asking instead of just assuming that God is that mean. Seems like many Christians have a view of God as a tormentor or petty tyrant. I do not think God did this to you, or refused to help you to make you more humble. God would be pleased if something good came out of something bad, i.e. you increased character traits like humbleness.

I have also prayed and not been healed. Many things can cause this. Once, I had to have surgery for an issue that I had prayed for healing for. But someone ended up getting saved as a result. Also, although I have no proof, having the surgery might have spared me from cancer of this organ later in life, and more surgery and problems as a result.

I think sometimes God desperately wants to help us, but for some reason, we cannot hear what God is trying to tell us. I lost many years of my life because of having food allergies and not knowing what was making me sick all the time. It took me about 20 years to find out, and many wasted doctor visits. I KNOW God wasn't being mean to me 'for my own good'. I am now healthy praise God.

The closer we are to God and the more we trust him, the easier it is for us to hear and understand him. Seek, seek, seek! I pray for your pain to be healed as well.

Ah the only pain I've seen go away (which is a fair bit, by the Grace of GOD) is when we command 'pain' to go
not ask GOD to take it away. Surely HE JESUS (YESHUA) took your pain. HE took it on the cross, now you insist it must go.
Isaiah 53:4-5

-eric

why do you think that God is causing your pain?

you chase what you focus on; change your focus

don't know what you mean by the dentist example.

you're asking Him for something He's already given to you. God has given you access to His healing power; but yet you keep asking Him to use it on your behalf rather than following His instruction to use it yourself - it does no good to ask God to do what He's told you to do; and if your prayer ignores His instruction, what more can He say to you? if you don't believe what He's put in writing, how will you hear His answer in your spirit?

It could be any number of reasons that you have pain. It could be that it's something you've done or didn't do. It could be it's something someone else did or didn't do, over which you have no control. It could be because we live in a fallen world, and we will experience trouble on earth because of that. I don't believe that God causes pain, but I do think that he allows it for a reason. I believe that God can heal and remove the thorn, and that sometimes he leaves the thorn because there is a lesson to be learned.

I don't know why you have pain. I also don't know what kind of pain you have because your post was not specific. That's ok because God knows. And God is the one who can give you answers. I am sorry you feel so defeated by this. I pray that your relationship with God is strengthened through this and that God will comfort you and respond to you so that your faith in him is strengthened. I pray for healing for you in God's plan.

Hidden101 said:

I have been at university for the past couple of years. During my time at university I have had suffered multiple forms of pain; this has kept me from reaching my full potential. I prayed for God to take the pain away, he did not.
Do you think by God not taking the pain away he was attempting to make me humble?

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Odetta gave a great answer. I would suggest shifting the focus from what you consider your potential to be, to what God's purposes might be. Sometimes pain has a positive purpose, notably redirection, and we need to consider what's going on. Other times it's superfluous or an attack of the enemy, in which case we should exercise our Blood-bought authority over it. It's critical to discern the root of the pain, keeping in mind that God loves you and His intentions are always good.

If by humility you mean shifting your focus away from yourself, to God and His purposes, I would say yes to your question. But if the question is based on a negative misunderstanding of humility, that's only more self-focus but in a different guise, and can be very destructive.

For years being a Christian, I always wondered about spiritual and physical healing from our Lord Jesus Christ, and since we live in a world that is not all Christian, there is definitely a spiritual warfare going on where Satan has been deliberately released since Adam and Eve had sinned, and to do his best to do his worst in everyone in the present and future, just like those in the past, until Jesus returns in his Second Coming future return, not only to defeat him, but to end the spiritual warfare by replacing it with eternal peace and joy that is so overflowing with Christ's "multiplied" spiritual abundance, where pain, failure not even death will affect us when Jesus transforms us with new genius-intelligent minds and measure-perfect bodies of Christ, where nobody will be ridiculed when it comes to being too tall or short, or being too fat or thin -
to have the correct male and female body-shape and body-height just like Adam and Eve before they had sinned:.
The reason that I described Christ's "multiplied" spiritual abundance is the bible story about a basket of barely a few fishes and loaves that was simply too ridiculously scarce to feed a hungry crowd of a few thousand of all ages. Jesus clearly knew that Jehovah our Father God in heaven has the power of multiplication to supernaturally multiply the fishes and loves, as I imagine them to be like overflowing abundance of spring water from one basket:.
The hungry crowd had love and respect for Jesus, whether or not they knew Christ's love was spiritually in their hearts was not mentioned in the bible, maybe at that time Christ's real physical presence was more than enough to have love so strong in their hearts.;
As for us as Christians, we rely on faith to realize that Jesus exists spiritually in our hearts, and when it comes to spiritual and physical healing, we are like the hungry crowd witnessing Christ's spiritual "multiplied" spiritual abundance where physical healing can occur in a large group formation, just like solar mirrors in some desert focusing the sun's light onto a receiver to produce heat for the production of electricity:.
I have watched Benny Hinn Ministries on TV since 2007 and noticed the miraculous healing on certain individuals that seem to occur where they are sitting amongst the audience, before walking on stage and mentioning their testimony.
After many weeks of watching Benny Hinn perform... well, actually he's not really the healer but the "conductor" just like lightning transferring electricity, not only from himself, but also from every other Christian in the audience because Jesus is in their hearts - that's where the real secret is, when you have a hungry crowd sit together, Jesus in their hearts forms this so-called "multiplied" spiritual abundance and in this case it is physical healing.;
I hope you visit a church and have a prayer team, not only them but everyone else in the church audience pray to create this crowd-causing multiplied spiritual healing.;'*';.

when i realized that i had received healing from terminal cancer; i also realized that, since there's no formula for spiritual rebirth, there could be no formula for healing either - healing comes in a package with other awesome blessings such as eternal life and forgiveness of transgressions and righteousness by substitute (Jesus), all included in the free gift of spiritual rebirth. i wasn't even believing for healing at first - didn't realize it was already available. the doctors said i had six months left, so i figured since i was gonna meet God face to face soon, i would focus my remaining time on His word; learn all i could about Him in the time i had left. i gave up my 2nd job, but still worked full time as i was not yet disabled by the cancer, so i didn't have a lot of discretionary time to spend. 2 weeks later i had the tumor removed from inside my bladder, and in the hospital found the account of Hezekiah's healing in the Gideon's Bible in my room, and figured a 'boil on his groin' was close enough to a bladder tumor, and followed Hezekiah's example (not necessary btw), hoping to receive 15 more years just like he did. as the weeks passed, as i mined the new testament, i found myself telling people that by His stripes i was healed - i still don't understand how whipping Jesus released power to heal me, but i didn't understand how resurrection from the dead works either, and i believed that, so i believed this too. two years later, after being cancer-free for a year (the doctors had no treatment for that type of cancer) with all my body parts intact and functioning, i found Andrew Womack's teachings on healing, and speaking to my mountains (the biggest one of which at that time was cancer), and it fit my experience; the scripture took on new meaning as i let go of the theological traditions i had been taught as a child in a traditional church. later i found Keith Moore's teachings on healing, and learned more; i'm working through Kenneth Copeland's teachings now. none of these guys have perfect knowledge of God (and neither do i), and i don't agree with everything they believe (even they don't agree about some things); but i've learned a lot through them, and have stayed healthy without modern medicine for 18 years now.

we are not the sick trying to get well; we're the well fighting off sickness. our weapons are thoughts and the words they produce; and we have God's promise of 'all good things' (and being well is a really good thing) and our enemy is doubt. we aren't waiting on God to do something more; He's waiting on us to believe His promise in our hearts and overcome doubts in our heads, so that His power can flow. healing power is like electricity; it's generated by someone else, but it's up to us to connect to it so it can flow. it really is that simple. the overcoming doubts part it is challenging - but first you must believe that God has already made healing available to you just like (or more correctly 'as a part of') spiritual rebirth.

the hardest source of doubt to overcome in receiving healing is your own body; it's gonna take effort to focus on God's healing words when your body is screaming at you with pain and inability, but you can do this - God has faith in you; that's why He chose you - always agree with Him about that .

Hidden101 said:

I have been at university for the past couple of years. During my time at university I have had suffered multiple forms of pain; this has kept me from reaching my full potential. I prayed for God to take the pain away, he did not.
Do you think by God not taking the pain away he was attempting to make me humble?

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absolutely as well as obedience, trust, and patience. Suffering is the result of sin entering the world, it is also a reminder according to both Gen. and Heb. that we are to obey God. Romans tells us that God will bring good from all the believers suffering if they just trust God. All of which is rooted in humility. Oh and don't forget that we are also told to share in the sufferings of Christ, that comes into play here as well as does our learning to be comforted by God.

There are other forces at work in this world than good forces. The Bible is clear that there will be trials in all our lives of one kind or another. It isn't that God causes these pains. It is a part of living in a fallen world. But, if I understand Romans 8:28 correctly, God can bring some good out of the pain.

Reflect on Job and then learn to lean not on your own understanding, but on the grace of GOD through his son JESUS. in our life we are assured that his grace was/is offered to those whom believe, and that approach is through his son JESUS whom died in perfect obedience as to the perfect will of GOD the heavenly father .

As it was written....

John 14:1-20King James Version (KJV)
14 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

In our troubles we shall not lack faith, but stand steadfast and remain faithful. In our anger we do not sin. We do not lash out and we submit to the will of GOD through his son JESUS and offer our praises and request aid in our flight and learn to listen then spoken too and then we hear gently that which will offer us wisdom and guide us. We follow not just by faith alone, but by works as well. The two are inseparable and it is the standard of principles by which our trust and faith indwells and out pours to others that we are commanded to LOVE.
We imitate not by imitation, but by TRUTH for we find it when we ask, seek and knock and the doors will be open to us.If we do ask, seek and knock and the doors are NOT opened to us.......

James 4:1-5King James Version (KJV)
4 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

I advise you to lean more on GOD through his son JESUS and allow the TRUTH to come forth. There are healers and delivers from the enemy, but there is one GOD the almighty; creator of the heavens and the earth and his son JESUS that was resurrected for our salvation. Seek with humility and request discernment and be ready for the deliverer that will aid those in plight from the enemy who is roaring around us like a lion; seeking whom it may devour.

Praise be to GOD the heavenly father and his son lord JESUS CHRIST forever>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

3 John 2, Psalm 103:3, Philippians 2:26,27, Romans 8:11, 32, Mark 1:41, 8:25, 10:52, 16:18, Exodus 15:26, 23:25, Matthew 8:3,5-17, 9:18- 22,28,29,30,32,33,35,36, 20:34, 1 Peter 1:23, Luke 13:11-16, Psalm 50:15, Joshua 1:8, Psalm 41:3, 92:14, 53, 2 Kings 20:5

Hidden101 said:

Because he does not answer prayer.

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God always answers prayer. Sometimes he says no. Sometimes he says yes but not yet. Sometimes he says maybe. Sometimes his answers are contingent on something we do. So search the Scripture and see if there is something you should be doing that you aren't. But if you are doing all you should be, then maybe God is saying no, or wait.

Hidden101 said:

I have been at university for the past couple of years. During my time at university I have had suffered multiple forms of pain; this has kept me from reaching my full potential. I prayed for God to take the pain away, he did not.
Do you think by God not taking the pain away he was attempting to make me humble?

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are you struggling with mental health issues such as depression?

Hidden101 said:

I have been at university for the past couple of years. During my time at university I have had suffered multiple forms of pain; this has kept me from reaching my full potential. I prayed for God to take the pain away, he did not.
Do you think by God not taking the pain away he was attempting to make me humble?

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Hi, I too have been going through sometimes intense suffering over the last few years, and I've wondered similar things myself. The thing that suddenly occurred to me is that suffering not only refines a person's character, but also makes a person stronger, which for me means being more assertive with others in expressing the good. That's a good enough answer, even though there will always be something with suffering that's disagreeable while I'm suffering.