Dear White America:

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I know it’s hard, but you have to acknowledge what’s happening in this country

As we mark the one-year anniversary of the killing of young Mike Brown and the uprisings it sparked in Ferguson, much-needed conversations about race that have occurred as a result are increasingly on our lips and our smartphone screens. As an actress and writer who is black, and whose work often addresses race, I aim to contribute to the conversation, but today I’m pausing to do something I don’t usually do; I’d like to specifically address white people who continue to deny the existence of white privilege. Far too many of you refuse to simply state that white privilege is real, and I’m here to say something that might surprise you:

I understand.

First of all, I’ve seen people angry about the moniker “white privilege” in and of itself, bemoaning the very existence of this annoying two-word phrase (and even more so the three words “check your privilege”) as nothing more than the verbal folly of the Outrage Committee and Social Justice Warriors who want to ruin the Confederate flag and gay jokes and everything good about America. I can understand the fatigue at the sheer amount of times we say the phrase—I even get tired of saying/typing it. But can you allow for the possibility that we’re saying it so much because you haven’t heard us yet and it’s crucial that you accept it as reality?

Some of you say we’re the confused ones; that when we speak of “white privilege” we actually mean discrimination or prejudice, that we should focus on the specific bad stuff happening to us instead of the good stuff we think you possess. Well, we’ve been trying that, and some of us think it’s not been working out so well.
 

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"All I’m asking is that we can stand together and acknowledge the gaping hole of institutionalized inequality. From there, it’s up to you how you contribute (or don’t) to dismantling systemic racism and continuing the march toward that post-racial world so many of you speak of as though it’s already here."

The problem is she keeps mentioning 'white privilege' and then she calls it 'institutionalized inequality' but doesn't give one example of what she is referring to and asks us to agree with her. I'm not a mind reader and I very seldom assume that I know what someone is saying without them being somewhat specific.
 
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Deploying the concept of privilege as a social justice weapon and not as the analytical tool it was intended for is in error. The end result is that instead of increasing an awareness of any structural racism, it has bred people who see it as a devalued concept in the way it is used, because they note just as well the disadvantages in their lives.

An example, instead of bringing awareness to structural inequalities women may face, the concept birthed the Men's Rights Movement. The magnifying glass, instead of being focused on the issue that is desired is re-purposed in favor of the subject.

Thanks to the concept being wielded as a cudgel, you will never have a national conversation on race in this country. Because people think they can see how that conversation will play out, which is to say, it will not be a conversation at all. Whites, I suppose, see that they will be made to sit down and have a finger waggled at them. While being denied any input, on the basis that their privilege invalidates any of their input.
 
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Yes. To add to those black luminaries, President Obama’s two terms in office are wonderful (to me, anyway), and symbolize progress, but the individual achievements of specific black superstars don’t disprove white privilege as a systemic ill. It would be reductive to say “the exceptions prove the rule,” but when you breathlessly point out exceptions in the form of rich black entertainers and athletes, you are agreeing that they are remarkable and literally exceptional.

And what are you doing when you describe the entirety of white America as privileged, irrespective of the fact that the number of rich, successful, powerful whites is still a miniscule fraction of white America overall?

Why does one tiny percentage of black people not justify making generalisations about white people, but a slightly larger (but still tiny) percentage of white people does?

As a white person in America today, you may not have personally ever done anything “wrong.” You’ve certainly never owned slaves, and if you’re reading this, you’re likely not a member of an extremist white supremacist group. Yet you can be complicit in a system that is much larger than you without ever even knowing it, and your lack of initial awareness doesn’t excuse continued denial once it’s been pointed out.

Kafkatrapping duly noted. Denial is not relevant, it's proof of your guilt.

Even “innocent” and well-intentioned white allies do themselves and the notion of racial equality a disservice if they persist in resisting the concept of privilege, but I can understand those who never even considered it. To be able to carry on day to day and not have your race impact your life to the point of reflection or critical examination is the very essence of the thing. Your privilege blinds you to your privilege in a sort of Russian nesting doll setup of exponential denial. Until you accept it.

Gotta love those scare quotes around innocent - "innocent" like Michael Brown was "innocent", I'm sure.

Amazingly, many of us have considered what you're saying, and still think it's a load of crap.

Our brains are not hardwired to accept absence before presence, potentiality before actuality, or theory over tangible evidence. This is why it’s difficult for many to understand that their white privilege manifests most often as what they don’t have, rather than what they do. It’s much easier to react to the word and say “but I’m poor!” than it is to imagine that you were born into a world where you’re the norm, the standard of perceived humanity from which others deviate.

How is this an argument against white America, but not against the notion of white privilege? Maybe the author is one who is ignoring evidence or at least not considering that there may be a better, alternative way of framing the issue than her dogmatism.

But neither are you! Not literally, anyway. So why must you be made to feel bad for things you had no control over, just because of the skin you were born in?

No reasonable person is asking that.

That's exactly what you are doing. You are demanding that white people take account as a race for a system they did not set up, and in doing so imply that not one of them is innocent.

Unless the author is simply admitting here that she is unreasonable.

White Guilt and White Tears are pejorative phrases because they do nothing to help the problems at hand, and you just feeling bad does nothing to help society. The message has been muddled by those who don’t truly understand it, but acknowledging white privilege is not about pointing the finger or making white people as a whole feel bad. C’mon. We consistently fight for the right to not be seen as a monolith. Why would we turn around and do it to you?

Plenty of cases of trying to get people to privilege check is finger pointing, and denying or dismissing this isn't helping overcome the problem.

As for that last sentiment - seriously? People who decry racism against black people are still at risk of treating whites as a monolith because people will very willingly rationalise hypocrisy if they think it will suit their goals. It's entirely possible for a group that claims to be about equality to be little more than "(expletive) you, got mine" in practice.

It is undeniable, however, that if you are a sensible person with empathy, accepting white privilege is going to make you feel bad, and no rational adult wants to feel bad. Furthermore, if you really look at it, you may feel powerless, adding to your reasons for wanting to deny it.

I get it. The exhaustion of hopelessness or feeling like you don’t know what you can do is a common emotional response to a negative shock. And it’s terrifying. I can only imagine the fear of having been living your life, probably thinking that you’re one of the “good ones,” not being racist, possibly not even thinking about race, only to be told one day that you’re actually a part of this system of oppression.

How in the world someone can say this isn't manipulative is beyond me. This is like scientology brainwashing. You're an awful person - but it's ok - we have the cure, and all you have to do is support us and do what we say.

You could absolutely still have empathy for Sandra Bland’s death, but you have a far lesser chance of seeing yourself reflected in pictures of her face, and you don’t have the experience of logging on to social media to see that police brutality and systemic racism have claimed the life of yet another person who looks like your family, who could be you.

Why shouldn't I see myself in her? See, the people who go around insisting that every group has its own experience unknowable by members of other groups are people like the author.

I have no interest in addressing the racially charged violence, death, or injustice of the day when so many persist in dismissing these near-daily occurrences as isolated incidents, magically unique to each day and not at all tethered to a larger power structure in America at play.

Well, no, while some people do dismiss this, other people accept this but dismiss your version of white privilege as a framing device as unhelpful and bigoted. It is entirely possible to be for racial, gender, whatever equality you desire and still think the loudmouth movements that make the news aren't actually helping achieve those goals.
 
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Didn't Mike Brown try to kill a cop?

He was not arrested for attempted murder, nor was he indicted or convicted for attempted murder.

How can we say he tried to kill the cop? He wasn't even close to him when he was filled with bullets....

The institutional racism was discovered after investigating Ferguson.
 
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He was not arrested for attempted murder, nor was he indicted or convicted for attempted murder.

How can we say he tried to kill the cop? He wasn't even close to him when he was filled with bullets....

The institutional racism was discovered after investigating Ferguson.
I thought he charged the cop and grabbed for his weapon and was killed in by the cop in self defense.

Someone cannot be arrested, tried, or convicted once they are dead. That doesn't mean they didn't do the thing they are accused of.
 
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I thought he charged the cop and grabbed for his weapon and was killed in by the cop in self defense.

Someone cannot be arrested, tried, or convicted once they are dead. That doesn't mean they didn't do the thing they are accused of.
Was he accused of attempted murder? First time I heard. Can you find something to back the comment?

There was talk that he reached into the window and grabbed at the cop or possibly his gun and the cop discharged his weapon. Brown ran away, and was killed when the cop claims Brown turned and charged like a bull. I cannot see where you got attempted murder out of that? Then again, it was a cop and they can claim anything they want as long as there is no recording. Good thing we saw video of that other cop who killed a fleeing citizen. That cop also claimed he was under attack.
 
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I thought he charged the cop and grabbed for his weapon and was killed in by the cop in self defense.
The attack on the officer started while the officer was still in his car. Brown reached through the window and a struggle occurred. Then Brown, with his friend, took off down the street. The officer left his car, gun drawn, told him to stop. When he did he faced the officer and charged at him head down, rather like a football tackle, and the officer fired.
 
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He was not arrested for attempted murder, nor was he indicted or convicted for attempted murder.

How can we say he tried to kill the cop? He wasn't even close to him when he was filled with bullets....

The institutional racism was discovered after investigating Ferguson.

Agree, the issue of institutional racism was exposed with the FBI investigation into how Ferguson, went about their business. This is the way racism should be exposed, with investigation and evidence, to support that it did and does happen.

The whole issue of why Brown was shot, was also investigated and it was found, the officer had a legit reason to feel he was at serious risk.

As I have said many times, racism exists and will always exist to some levels and especially so with 300+ million people in this country. With that said, racism against blacks, has improved dramatically over the last 50 years, but it still exists, just as, there is real racism from blacks towards whites.

What I believe sets back race relations from progressing further, is those who feel they can freely claim racism, when they have no evidence to support the same. To me, this is also racism.
 
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The attack on the officer started while the officer was still in his car. Brown reached through the window and a struggle occurred. Then Brown, with his friend, took off down the street. The officer left his car, gun drawn, told him to stop. When he did he faced the officer and charged at him head down, rather like a football tackle, and the officer fired.
We don't know if he was charging like a bull. That assumption came about only because Brown was shot on the top of his head....after taking multiple bullets first. Most likely he was falling over when he was struck in the head.
 
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Agree, the issue of institutional racism was exposed with the FBI investigation into how Ferguson, went about their business. This is the way racism should be exposed, with investigation and evidence, to support that it did and does happen.

The whole issue of why Brown was shot, was also investigated and it was found, the officer had a legit reason to feel he was at serious risk.

As I have said many times, racism exists and will always exist to some levels and especially so with 300+ million people in this country. With that said, racism against blacks, has improved dramatically over the last 50 years, but it still exists, just as, there is real racism from blacks towards whites.

What I believe sets back race relations from progressing further, is those who feel they can freely claim racism, when they have no evidence to support the same. To me, this is also racism.
Yes, Brown has nothing really to do with this thread. We don't need to keep rehashing this....
 
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Was he accused of attempted murder? First time I heard. Can you find something to back the comment?

There was talk that he reached into the window and grabbed at the cop or possibly his gun and the cop discharged his weapon. Brown ran away, and was killed when the cop claims Brown turned and charged like a bull. I cannot see where you got attempted murder out of that? Then again, it was a cop and they can claim anything they want as long as there is no recording. Good thing we saw video of that other cop who killed a fleeing citizen. That cop also claimed he was under attack.
There were other witnesses at the grand jury trial. It was because of the witnesses, evidence in the police cruiser, and the autopsy report that the officer was not indited for a crime. A jury made this decision.
 
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There were other witnesses at the grand jury trial. It was because of the witnesses, evidence in the police cruiser, and the autopsy report that the officer was not indited for a crime. A jury made this decision.
Like I said, it really is not the topic stamper wanted to discuss. Without actual video evidence, we will never really know what happened that day.
 
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Didn't Mike Brown try to kill a cop? Why is he the poster boy for institutional racism?
Because racism in America needs an idol who's feet are made of clay.

Michael Brown was a strong arm thug weighing nearly if not 300 pounds and used his size as his weapon against lesser targets.
The people who march for a suspect who allegedly attempted to beat an officer to death in his official vehicle, while going for the officers gun, speak for a false idol. One who had he lived would have likely targeted them next.

Michael Brown will never terrorize businesses or innocent people in Ferguson again. He died thinking his size could intimidate a bullet.

He was wrong.
 
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Yes, Brown has nothing really to do with this thread. We don't need to keep rehashing this....
Except that Brown was specifically mentioned in the OP as an example of institutional racism. I asked how so, because his killing appeared justified.
 
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