What was Gods purpose originally for the earth and mankind?
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I mean, why would I want to worship someone who is going to destroy me anyways? He knows he's going to destroy me and probably most people I know.
After all, ALL humans sin. No humans are perfect. If you're a sinner then you are doomed but you can never actually achieve perfection since no humans are perfect. I think heaven will be a very sparse place in the Calvinist view.
After all, ALL humans sin. No humans are perfect. If you're a sinner then you are doomed but you can never actually achieve perfection since no humans are perfect. I think heaven will be a very sparse place in the Calvinist view.
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faroukfarouk
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So God's Word ceases to be true when your - or my - puny mind reclassifies something?
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faroukfarouk
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Whether you want to, and whether you ought to are rather different. Especially when it is to do with our glorious Creator, Who has also provided salvation in Christ.
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Nope, because he offers salvation in his son Jesus Christ.
Revelation 7:9
After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
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9 And they sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
10 and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth."
11 Then I looked, and I heard around the throne and the living creatures and the elders the voice of many angels, numbering myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands,
12 saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and wealth and wisdom and might and honor and glory and blessing!" - Revelation 5:9-12
This is what Calvinists believe.
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That's kinda the whole jist of Calvinist thought. That you can do nothing to earn your salvation. I was even a Hyper Calvinist for a while which is even crazier. If you're a Christian though, Calvinism can be quite cozy. I still remember the day when I was convinced of Calvinism while reading some Spurgeon. Long gone days, but the theology is sound from a Biblical perspective in my opinion.
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Didn't reclassify it at all. I'm talking about what the writer of 2 Timothy considered scripture.
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Predestination is at least, if you read the Bible through Pauline lenses. But I think Luther's theology fits it much better than Calvin's.
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Not exactly --
Luke 12
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?
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No it is not.
Take a look at Lev 18. There God lists some things for which He will wipe out even an unchristian atheist nation - that knows nothing at all about the Bible. Notice He does not list "worshiping images, false gods, coveting, cursing, taking God's name in vain, ..." -- All of those are sin - but are not on the list of things that will get a nation wiped out.
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Then you need to spend more quality time with the Bible. Calvinism is not in it. Even Calvin lamented that we seem to have an "Arminian text".
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That is true - except even Paul admitted in 1Thess 2 that his teaching was being accepted "for what it is - the WORD of God" - so while it is true that 2Tim 3 is written before the Gospel of John - it is not true that it condemns that part of scripture not yet completed at that time.
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Then I suppose the next question is: In what world would I want to worship a deity that will wipe out an entire nation of men, women, and children just for non-belief?
My answer is: not this one.
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2 Timothy wasn't written before John's Gospel, it was written in the 2nd century and not by Paul.
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