" Why don't you just give up already? "

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I've tried and tried and tried and I still can't experience what seems to be necessary in order to be saved.

There was a post tgat brought me to this sight, I believe in the thread Exploring Christianity titled "no conviction of sin" and so far it has been the closest to what I've been going through more than any other story I've yet witnessed.

For nine months I've been stuck on this merry go round. But what I've learned is God tends to be more silent with our family than any other. And though I'm not saying He is not good; for someone who is pretty sure they're not saved and practically impatiently waiting for the One Being who can change me, it sometimes is very frustrating.

To start with i have a lack of true repentance. Meaning, I repent of my lying, stealing, violence, and lustful thoughts.....and then the next day I'm doing it again wishing I hadn't. I sin. And i sin. And i sin again. The same sins too. Now i know for sure that we will all slip up from time to time but my sinning is not like that. Ipray that God will take my desire and want to sin away from me but...it's still there. And though I confess and say I'm sorry I'm pretty sure I'll do something like it again tomorrow. I so wish He would make me feel guilty or ashamed when i sin...not this petty "Oh I just sinned....mm...oh well. Better apologize" kind of process. It's really hard to consider yourself a Christian when you do things like that.

I wish that my mental thoughts would stop reversing everything over back to the "salvation through works" process. I wish the song that goes "lead me to the cross." applied to me but I cannot seem to get that hey; IM A NO GOOD SINNER and I REALLY NEED A SAVIOR and I CAN'T SAVE MYSELF but JESUS CAN; but i never seem to make that heartfelt. So i pray God changes me and....I...wait...

I pray for faith...oh my word i pray for faith so much. But when I address my problems to another believer the automatic response is "well are you saved?" And when i say no it instantaneously goes back to repent and believe.

My heart seems to be so hardhearted I get messed up on what believe means....I guess I trust what the Bible says about Jesus but when i follow through the "Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in you heart God raised Him from the dead" I don't witness much change in me and I go over everything again and again and again and again..... recently i wrote this prayer:

Dear Heavenly Father,

Please, for today, I pray that You hear and answer my call. Please, Father, forgive me of my sins. I say these things in the name of Lord Jesus Christ and ask You to forgive me of my sins. Lord, I pray on behalf of my father, who is not in a good place right now. He screams and yells and swears as well as takes Your Name in vain. I'm upset with him but I pray that You help him to get through the bad he's been going through. And God, I pray for my heart. Please, break it, change it, mend it, and heal it, God. I don't feel changed. Take this bitter heart of mine and make it new. Show me what sin does to You, Lord. I say I repent but the next day I commit the same sin without knowing and sometimes knowing. How much longer shall this go on? Take my desire to sin away from me, Lord. Every single ounce of it. Bring me to my knees in repentance. Lord...Your ways are not apparent to me. It seems like You're not answering me and has worn me out trying to convince myself to pray to You without ceasing. Please bring my heart back around to joyously pray without ceasing. Bring me to ultimate shame when I search for excuses not to. Lord please give me faith and belief. Help open my eyes to see Your Glory and let it seap into my heart. Please, I want to build trust in You. Wipe away the uncertainty and disbelief that screams at me that I do not want anything to do with You. Break that chain in me and deliver me Lord. Renew the desire to read Your Word in my heart. Drive me every single day to read it. Give me hope and the desire to search for You, cos' Lord I am so weak. When I wake please remind me of Your Presence. Keep me focused on You throughout this distractful day. Keep my heart and head on high for You. Leave me rendered focused and centered around You. Lord, please make Yourself the center point of my life. Take any compulsion to listen to secular music away from me if it displeases You. Do as You wish with me Lord but do not cast me into the fire. Leave me burning for You, God. And turn my focus and mindset to Jesus. Help my heart accept Him in what He did and take away any doubts of Him. Take away the temptations of salvation through works Lord. Help me realize in my heart of my incapabilities. Help me surrender all my heart to You. Embroid the loathing of sin into my heart God, so I shall never desire to sin again. Help me turn from my sins of lust, lying, stealing, and violence. I've sinned against You so many times Lord. Please forgive me. Help me stand in faith and repentance, true faith and true repentance, as Your Child God. And I say all these things in Your name and in Jesus's name

Amen.​

Coiling and uncoiling, I feel like mt sinful self is coiling over my heart. I'm more and more sinking back into watching tv more than praying and focusing less on God when I don't really want to. I wish He'd give me some wake-up call in my heart...like a jumpstart that could keep me wrapped around His Word and focusing on Him daily but......It's just not like that now. I had a fear once that all of this was just a fad. Like a trend. Like any moment I'll find something "better" to do and drop all of this and it's starting to feel like it's coming about. Please help me?
 
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You don't have to "experience" anything to be saved. All you need to do is believe, then walk out that belief by talking to God, studying His Word, allowing Him to help you become changed and transformed into His likeness. Get plugged into a healthy church and grow in Christ. It's just that simple.
 
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Also, a thought is not a sin. If we entertain the thought, and let it become an intention of our heart it has the potential to become walked out in action. That action is sin. It's a process, which it doesn't appear you're even getting to the point of acting on. So you are not in sin, but you're in a spiritual battle. Rest in the knowledge that God is not angry with you because you had a bad thought.


We are encourage to take these thoughts captive. All believers have them, and often times they aren't even from our own flesh, but the enemy comes around trying to fill our heads with garbage.
 
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I was listening to some great praise and worship music the other day. The worship leader was singing a beautiful song. The lyrics went like this:

I take my eyes off myself
I take my eyes off my weakness
I take my eyes off myself
And I set 'em on Jesus!

This is what is known as "beholding and becoming." It's a place of rest, where we recognize we don't have to carry the yoke of changing ourselves, but that we simply rest at His feet and worship Him.
 
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Salvation is a relationship, and one cannot have a relationship with anyone without receiving that one and communicating with him/her.

IF one speaks to God-the Father and thanks Him for sending His beloved Son to die for one's sins, and thanks the Lord Jesus for His sacrifice, and confesses they are now receiving Him into one's heart, that one should go forth in communion with this One that was received. Have you received Him? If so, go forth with Him!

Read the whole Gospel of John and believe it (especially noting John 14:6). This should settle things for you.
 
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You are in a redundant salvation loop. The devil has got you believing that because you don't feel saved you aren't saved and you're trying to be saved again, and again, and again until you feel like you're saved.

But, what does being saved feel like? If everybody on this website answered that question you'd get a different answer from every one of them. If you've done what the Bible says you need to do to be saved then you're saved and that's the truth about it. Your feelings will decieve you but His word is always the truth.

2 Corinthians 5:7 New King James Version (NKJV)

7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.

Blessings,

Alan
 
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Jesus said to Peter, that if one of his brother, sins against him (Peter), many times per day, and repents, Peter must forgive him.

You see, what matters to God, is not if we sin, and repeat the same sin again, but do we struggle not to sin, and try with the help of the Holy Spirit, to resist sin. God is interested if we struggle against sin, trying not to sin, not if we fall and sin from time to time. The Bible says that there is no a righteous person, who does not sin. Apostle Paus said that we need to struggle with sin to the point of shedding our blood. I am not saying that we can go and sin as much we want! No, I am saying that in our daily battle with sin, we all fall short of the glory of God, and sin. The important thing is when we fall down, not to stay there (in sin), but to get up, and go on, repenting and trying to please God.

That is what the grace of God is given to us for, that because we can never live a perfect life while on this earth, when we sin, because of our weakness, and not because of our desire, we can repent, and rely on the grace of God to forgive us, and help us not to sin again.
 
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Jesus said to Peter, that if one of his brother, sins against him (Peter), many times per day, and repents, Peter must forgive him.

I admire the Seventy Times Seven verse....erm...forgive me for not remembering the name of the book...but this reminded me of when Peter came to Christ asking how many times shall my brother sin against me and I forgive hkm? Up to seven times? And then Jesus replied to him "seventy times seven" that was really interesting to me....thank you for all your advice though..
 
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It's a beautiful prayer; thanks for posting it. I always like when people can read along and pray the same thing, together. (Asynchronously.)

It sounds like you get pushed to your limits by other people often, more than the average person appears to. And maybe have some genetic tendencies toward reactions you can't always stop.

One thing to remember though -- being saved does not mean you stop having human reactions. You're still a human, and have always had a soul. You said yes to salvation, and humbled yourself, expressed your desire to repent and worked toward living for Him. That is what He asks, and you have done it.

I wonder if there are situations at home that need additional prayer and action, and we should all be praying for that to improve. You might be stuck in those dynamics for a few more years, but keep talking with people about what you're going through, and maybe some solutions will come up.

I know some people who've had great experiences with Al-Anon -- even if their family is not alcoholic, it's comforting to see other people go through similar struggles.

Being saved takes some trust -- Jesus gave us a simple plan, but then reminded us that God isn't a pushover. There are people who pretend to be Christian to make money, or feign power, or manipulate others. Your heart is in a good place.

Teach yourself to stand on scriptures in a trusting way -- that you choose to believe God and His plan, even when it doesn't seem like you deserve it.
 
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