For Card Barbarin, in Mary, God's Mercy embraces Islam

On 25 March, the cardinal took part in an interfaith ceremony in Jamhour, marking the Solemnity of the Annunciation, a national holiday in Lebanon. In his address, he praised the value of Mercy, common source that binds Christians and Muslims. In Mary, "our mother", the faithful of the two religions might be able to "understand each other better."


LEBANON ? FRANCE ? ISLAM For Card Barbarin, in Mary, God's Mercy embraces Islam - Asia News

We all need to follow Christ.

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

eastcoast_bsc said:

We all need to follow Christ.

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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Amen.

Mary, The Mother of God would never embrace Islam, but she can embrace Muslims as humans.

In all the Suras of the Quran, except for one, God's name is immediately followed by two adjectives: Al Rahman Al Rahim – "the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful."

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Unfortunately the one Sura (Chapter) that does not contain these two adjectives has this verse.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. (Quran 9:29)

This makes peace difficult if Muslims want to follow the Quran fully.

eastcoast_bsc said:

We all need to follow Christ.

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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I'm totally with you.
Sometimes I wonder if one of the qualities one must possess in order to be appointed Clergy is a fair share of stupidity and tendency to cause frequent scandal.

That Cardinals in our church behave in such manner is repulsive and a clear signal of a church dangerously close to become of the world.

Actung, Actung I say!

I don't know. I've heard many Catholic leaders make similar arguments about how St. Mary binds Christians and Muslims together and all this. It's a nice thought, but you don't see much of it these days, ironically, outside of Lebanon, and even there they are having problems lately with insurgencies in Tripoli and other areas.

As far as causing scandal, it's probably helpful to remember that these are generally Western cardinals who haven't actually lived as a minority among a majority Muslim population, so they are being truthful as far as they know. So I doubt the scandal is intentional. Probably the words of HG Nikodimous Daoud Sharaf, the Syriac Orthodox archbishop of Mosul (currently infested with ISIS, who drove all the Christians out or killed them), would be similarly scandalous in relation to the kind words that your cardinal has to say about Islam, so...different experiences certainly lead to different ideas about what is going on. Probably if HG's only experience with Islam were nice discussions and photo ops with Muslim leaders, instead of being driven out of his diocese by force along with his entire flock, he would have many nice things to say, too. Unfortunately, as it is...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ndrifHWXd4

we should encourage the good things in other religions in the hope that they will come to the fullness of truth and Christian unity in the Church

eastcoast_bsc said:

We all need to follow Christ.

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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Amen!

Islam is not Christianity and never will be

I also agree with football "Mary, The Mother of God would never embrace Islam, but she can embrace Muslims as humans."

Rhamiel said:

we should encourage the good things in other religions in the hope that they will come to the fullness of truth and Christian unity in the Church

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QFT

dzheremi said:

Probably if HG's only experience with Islam were nice discussions and photo ops with Muslim leaders, instead of being driven out of his diocese by force along with his entire flock, he would have many nice things to say, too. Unfortunately, as it is...

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Part of being Christian is resisting the human desire to declare the whole of the other "evil" on basis of the actions of some.

Perhaps you'd like to read some of the remarks of people like Cardinal Arinze - who's country has a massive problem with Boko Haram but who recognises that's about human manipulation of power and must not be reduced to "Islam is evil".

Nobody is saying that. I'm not saying that, HE Nikodimus is not doing that. Stop trying to goad me into arguing with you over something I'm not saying.

dzheremi said:

Nobody is saying that. I'm not saying that, HE Nikodimus is not doing that. Stop trying to goad me into arguing with you over something I'm not saying.

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Perhaps you would clarify what you were saying then?

I don't like quoting myself, but I can't think of another way to say it, so: As far as causing scandal, it's probably helpful to remember that these are generally Western cardinals who haven't actually lived as a minority among a majority Muslim population, so they are being truthful as far as they know. So I doubt the scandal is intentional. Probably the words of HG Nikodimous Daoud Sharaf, the Syriac Orthodox archbishop of Mosul (currently infested with ISIS, who drove all the Christians out or killed them), would be similarly scandalous in relation to the kind words that your cardinal has to say about Islam, so...different experiences certainly lead to different ideas about what is going on.

dzheremi said:

I don't like quoting myself, but I can't think of another way to say it, so: As far as causing scandal, it's probably helpful to remember that these are generally Western cardinals who haven't actually lived as a minority among a majority Muslim population, so they are being truthful as far as they know. So I doubt the scandal is intentional. Probably the words of HG Nikodimous Daoud Sharaf, the Syriac Orthodox archbishop of Mosul (currently infested with ISIS, who drove all the Christians out or killed them), would be similarly scandalous in relation to the kind words that your cardinal has to say about Islam, so...different experiences certainly lead to different ideas about what is going on.

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Arinze isn't a western Cardinal.
And there are other examples from Africa and elsewhere.
We shouldn't make the mistake of equating Arabia and Islam.

Sorry, I meant "Western" as in Roman Catholic. Cardinal Arinze (who I happen to like quite a bit) is in every (philosophical, ritualistic) sense a Western Christian, as the Roman Catholic Church to which he belongs is a Western Christian Church.

I don't know what you mean about "equating Arabia with Islam", so...okay. Sure. As far as I can tell, nobody has made that equation here.

dzheremi said:

Sorry, I meant "Western" as in Roman Catholic. Cardinal Arinze (who I happen to like quite a bit) is in every (philosophical, ritualistic) sense a Western Christian, as the Roman Catholic Church to which he belongs is a Western Christian Church.

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Well, posting on a catholic forum you're mostly going to here from the western church. But that includes plenty who live with islam, for instance in Africa.

I don't know what you mean about "equating Arabia with Islam", so...okay. Sure. As far as I can tell, nobody has made that equation here.

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Well, the eastern church's encounter with islam has largely been in and close to Arabia. But that represents only a very small part of Islam. The western church is actively encountering islam from Nigeria to Indonesia.

eastcoast_bsc said:

We all need to follow Christ.

12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”

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Thankyou once again Eastcoast ,as some need to be reminded . And as for Cardinal Barbarin , we see him quite a lot on T.V. here, and since I am no longer Roman catholic , I will only say that he is not my tasse de the .