Has anyone considered that evolution, AND creation could both be true...?

TheBear · Mar 24, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Has anyone considered that Evolution AND Creation could be true?

I have, in the past. TE's are abound, even right here, which in and of itself, should testify that theists accept evolution, and therefore the "Evolution = No God" narrative is shown to be false.

juvenissun · Mar 24, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Has anyone considered that evolution, AND creation could both be true...?

God Bless!

It depends on how is evolution defined.
A chimp will never evolve into a human. But a cell may change a little through time.

SkyWriting · Mar 24, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Has anyone considered that evolution, AND creation could both be true...?

Has anyone considered that evolution (of proto-humanoids from apes or cavemen or neandrethals)...

Real evolution only covers theory that can be tested.
Historical events cannot be re-tested.

Neogaia777 · Mar 24, 2015

lesliedellow said:
Which brings us back to the question of why God didn't simply let God do its work, instead of specially creating two homo sapiens.

I'm suggesting that in God's view (point) that what he "created", and what evolved in nature, were not actually the same species...

Oh, you may compare skeletons and in human reasoning say they were the same species, but I'm suggesting that their were differences beyond just examining a human skeleton, that set them apart from each other (made them two different "homo" species)...

crjmurray · Mar 24, 2015

juvenissun said:
It depends on how is evolution defined.
A chimp will never evolve into a human. But a cell may change a little through time.

Well only someone who was completely ignorant of the theory of evolution would claim that a chimp evolved into a human. So there's good news.

Strathos · Mar 25, 2015

TheBear said:
I have, in the past. TE's are abound, even right here, which in and of itself, should testify that theists accept evolution, and therefore the "Evolution = No God" narrative is shown to be false.

Although the fact that so many atheists will attack creationists by making 'God doesn't exist' arguments instead of sticking to the topic of biology doesn't do much to dispel that myth.

TheBear · Mar 25, 2015

Strathos said:
Although the fact that so many atheists will attack creationists by making 'God doesn't exist' arguments instead of sticking to the topic of biology doesn't do much to dispel that myth.

You totally missed my point and the question of the OP. The OP asks if there are theists who accept evolution. The answer is a resounding YES. I would also venture to say that most people who accept evolution are theists. Thus, the whole, "either evolution or god" mantra, is a false dichotomy. That was my point, which directly addressed the OP question.

Regarding your off-topic and unsubstantiated rant ~ it is typically the theist, (and a specific type of theist), who inserts god into the topic of biology, not the other way around. We can start another thread on that if you want. Let's not derail this one.

Split Rock · Mar 25, 2015

juvenissun said:
It depends on how is evolution defined.
A chimp will never evolve into a human. But a cell may change a little through time.

crjmurray said:
Well only someone who was completely ignorant of the theory of evolution would claim that a chimp evolved into a human. So there's good news.

Unfortunately, Juvie still thinks this is what scientists claim... why, I have no idea.

rush1169 · Mar 25, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Has anyone considered that Evolution AND Creation could be true?
God Bless!

It's seems to be a real possibility. I have a similar, but different take: God's true creation is the atom. A bunch were released into the wild and everything else happened naturally. When the human physical form had evolved, God imparted the spirit into a pair of human creatures promoting them from just another animal to human-proper.

If that were the case, it explains why humans are profoundly different than any other creature and how Cain was able to find other "humans" elsewhere.

Loudmouth · Mar 25, 2015

SkyWriting said:
Real evolution only covers theory that can be tested.
Historical events cannot be re-tested.

You can test the theory of evolution with evidence found in the here and now.

DerelictJunction · Mar 25, 2015

SkyWriting said:
Real evolution only covers theory that can be tested.
Historical events cannot be re-tested.

Please petition for the release of all prisoners who were convicted with the help of forensic evidence.

lesliedellow · Mar 25, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
I'm suggesting that in God's view (point) that what he "created", and what evolved in nature, were not actually the same species...

Oh, you may compare skeletons and in human reasoning say they were the same species, but I'm suggesting that their were differences beyond just examining a human skeleton, that set them apart from each other (made them two different "homo" species)...

But Evolution did produce homo sapiens. Why would Christian biologists be so perverse as to say that there was overwhelmingly strong evidence of that if there wasn't?

Strathos · Mar 25, 2015

TheBear said:
You totally missed my point and the question of the OP. The OP asks if there are theists who accept evolution. The answer is a resounding YES. I would also venture to say that most people who accept evolution are theists. Thus, the whole, "either evolution or god" mantra, is a false dichotomy. That was my point, which directly addressed the OP question.

Regarding your off-topic and unsubstantiated rant ~ it is typically the theist, (and a specific type of theist), who inserts god into the topic of biology, not the other way around. We can start another thread on that if you want. Let's not derail this one.

My point was that often when a creationist starts questioning/denying evolution, atheists will often hit back with theological arguments and arguments against God's existence, so it's not all that surprising that so many creationists think that acceptance of evolution is inherently atheistic.

Loudmouth · Mar 25, 2015

Strathos said:
My point was that often when a creationist starts questioning/denying evolution, atheists will often hit back with theological arguments and arguments against God's existence, so it's not all that surprising that so many creationists think that acceptance of evolution is inherently atheistic.

We are told that there is evidence for special creation. Asking for that evidence and pointing to the absence of such evidence is hardly our problem. It is the creationists who take the position that if evolution is true, then there is no God. Atheists just see no reason why people should conclude that God is part of the process.

Perhaps the problem is that creationists refuse to understand the subtle, yet important difference in the atheist position.

lewiscalledhimmaster · Mar 28, 2015

Loudmouth said:
I have considered it, but Occam's Razor slices off the latter. It could be that light refraction AND magical leprechauns as the cause of rainbows could both be true, but light refraction explains rainbows quite nicely so there is no reason to add unevidenced and unnecessary entities to the explanation.

When I was school boy singing in the choir, I could see and hear the conductor. However, when I acted in the school play they were tucked in under the front of the stage and the lights removed both the audience and the conductor from sight. Yet, I knew the music did not come from nowhere, as I'd seen the orchestra and the conductor and the audience before hand.
Thinking of the tongue lashing which Job got (in that poem in the OT*), how do you relate to the idea that none of us were there (not even Moses -- and his writings -- or whoever wrote them) -- we just don't know, but it's hard not to wonder how / where all of this came from. Where did it come from? I mean, the whole Universe? How do we explain the esoteric stuff, poetry, music, art, literature, architecture, [ democracy, sophisticated ethics ] without some of sort of sense that we've certainly moved along since our ancestors -- and to think it's without some basic cause isn't too easy to do -- and then feel that we've somehow got all sorted, when the truth is that none of us were there when God (according to that poem) laid the foundation of the world?

~~~
* http://biblehub.com/esv/job/38.htm

Right?

'Who has put wisdom in the inward parts or given understanding to the mind?'

:wave:

True Scotsman · Mar 28, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
Has anyone considered that evolution, AND creation could both be true...?

Has anyone considered that evolution (of proto-humanoids from apes or cavemen or neandrethals) could have been happening on the earth, so that we wound up, through that evolution, to have proto, (very close to being what God would consider humanoid) anyways evolution could have been happening on earth till we wound up with a race that was "almost" and very close to being the homo-sapien race, but not quite what God would consider humanoid or man, anyways has anyone considered that this evolution could have been happening on earth, but THAT ALSO God created Adam and Eve in a secluded (isolated from the rest), garden paradise that was in a location where Adam and Eve didn't have any contact with these other proto-humanoids that were/had evolved on the earth at that time...?

These proto-humanoids that had evolved separate from the creation of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden, anyways all these proto-humanoids that had evolved were all destroyed in the flood, and Noah and his Family were descendants of Adam and Eve (the real humanoids that God considered humanoid (man) not the other proto-humanoids) anyways God's created man (humanoid) race were the only ones preserved, and that we today are all descendants of, we today, are all descendants of God's created man (humanoid) race, and all the other "close to" humanoids that had evolved from cavemen were all wiped out, and we today, are not descendants of them...

Has anyone considered that Evolution AND Creation could be true?

God Bless!

I did for a while. I saw no reason why God could not have created through evolution as a mechanism, but then I learned about the issue of metaphysical primacy and that settled that.

Aman777 · Mar 29, 2015

Has anyone considered that Evolution AND Creation could be true?

Dear Readers, Both are True but evolution is the godless name for "changes within His and Their kinds". Evolution REJECTS God's Truth which agrees in every way with every other discovered Truth. In the last days, this will be exposed and it will be revealed that the False ToE is the biggest Falsehood ever forced upon our children in the Public Schools.

ll Peter 3:3-7 shows the problem. Evolution, by rejecting the story of the Flood has falsely speculated that the present Earth is where Humans originated. They are "willingly ignorant" that Adam, the first Human, was NOT made on our Earth. This refutes ALL of their False Assumptions and shows the ToE to be an incomplete, untrue, assumption of some scientists who reject God's Truth in Genesis. God Bless you

lewiscalledhimmaster · Mar 29, 2015

Aman777 said:
Dear Readers, Both are True but

Hetta · Mar 29, 2015

Neogaia777 said:
How come I can't seem to find any of them, I am a theistic evolutionist, and I can't find many in that crowd, I feel alone in my beliefs...

God Bless!

You just found one. In my "faith" school (I won't name the denom) we were raised with Christianity and evolution. Of course, this was another country, not the US, and most other countries are not as hysterical as the US when it comes to what they teach in faith schools. So, I have always accepted evolution as real, and the science classes I have taken have only reinforced that initial teaching.

I'm not sure where I stand on your explanation of how they fit together, it's not something I've really thought about in depth.

Aman777 · Mar 29, 2015

lewiscalledhimmaster said:

Dear lewis, Are you having fun? If you have something to say, go ahead. I can hardly wait for your insightful words. Your time now. God Bless you

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