There is no future Abomination of Desolation

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In order for there to be a future Abomination of Desolation there would have to be a Temple of God standing that was not only dedicated to him in Jerusalem, but one that He fills with his Shekinah.

The Abomination of Desolation pertained to the former second temple that did have the Shekinah Presence and was desolated when their 'house was left to them empty' as Jesus stated.

There is no future abomination of desolation, nor even the possibility of a future abomination because the Temple in Heaven has been opened and the Ark of His Covenant has been caught up to the heavens and that Temple in Heaven cannot be desolated. Moreover, The Temple of God is in man, and no longer on this earth in Temples made with human hands.

Those who await the abomination of desolation are 1,945 years behind the prophetic fulfillment.


Exactly right. The "Restrainer" or "Shekinah Glory" of God was seen leaving the Temple by eyewitnesses on Nissan 8th 66AD. Shortly after this the "Falling away" or "Rebellion" began. The war between the Jews and the Romans. Paul said the "Restrainer" would have to be removed (by God) before the rebellion could take place. He prophesied this just 14 years before it came to pass.

The Shekinah Glory went to the top of the Mount of Olives, where Jesus was Crucified; and remained there until the war was over some three plus years later. This same identical event also happened in Ezekiel's Day just before the temple was destroyed. In his day he saw the Shekinah Glory arise from the midst of the city (Temple) and go to the top of the Mountain to the east of Jerusalem - which is the Mount of Olives. The temples of Solomon and Herod were both destroyed on the same day of the year.

Daniel uses the phrase AoD three times in his 600 year prophesy. All three were for different events. The first concerned the occupation of the Temple by Antiochus, The second was about the unjust trial of Jesus which was conducted in a wing of the temple - the hall of hewn stones. And the third was concerning the take over of the Temple by the terrorists who occupied the Temple with the approach of the army of Cestius Gallus. Paul's "Man of Sin" was the radical terrorist leader who occupied the temple for three years during most of the war. His name was Eleazar ben Simon. He was displaced about the time Titus arrived at Passover of 70AD. He was tricked by John of Gescala who then took control of the temple. The siege of Titus lasted 136 days.

This fulfilled the prophesies of Daniel and Jesus because the AoD (terrorists) was set up at the same time the city was surrounded by Armies (30,000+) This event was fulfilled on Cheshvan 4th 66AD. This was the beginning of Daniel's 1,290 days which terminated on Tammuz 17th 70AD (1,290 days) when the daily sacrifice failed for want of Priests to offer it. The war ended just 45 days later on Elul 3rd 70AD. (According to Daniel's timeline of 1,335 days)

You are right all three are past and fulfilled.
 
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In order for there to be a future Abomination of Desolation there would have to be a Temple of God standing that was not only dedicated to him in Jerusalem, but one that He fills with his Shekinah.

The Abomination of Desolation pertained to the former second temple that did have the Shekinah Presence and was desolated when their 'house was left to them empty' as Jesus stated.

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The glory had departed from the temple before the birth of Christ.

The temple of Christ's day was desolated in 70A.D.

The Jews inside the city escaped when they saw the sign that Christ predicted.

in Christ,

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The last time the Glory was present in Herod's temple was when the real Temple, Jesus of Nazareth, was taken from the manmade temple after his mock trial by the Jewish leadership.

The Temple now sits at the right hand of the Father.

According to the angels in the book of Acts, He will return just as He left.



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The last time the Glory was present in Herod's temple was when the real Temple, Jesus of Nazareth, was taken from the manmade temple after his mock trial by the Jewish leadership.

The Temple now sits at the right hand of the Father.

According to the angels in the book of Acts, He will return just as He left.



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To His Father's House or Temple...from that long journey... just as He once stood there before the Father's House, or Temple, in His own temple relating what He did about My Father's House, or Temple.

The issue about "without hands" having to do with God's need of no hands - especially wicked hands.

For He told David's son, Solomon that he - Solomon - would build Him the House that David had desired to but for the blood on his hands.

Repeatedly in this is a contrast between Israel's many disobediences and yet God's intent FOR AND IN HIMSELF through that people one day, thus - nevertheless.

Thus, Paul's Israelite also perspective, Rom. 11:1, that, as concerning His people WHICH HE FOREKNEW as to His intent FOR HIMSELF through their agency one day - "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance," Rom. 11:29.
 
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To His Father's House or Temple...from that long journey... just as He once stood there before the Father's House, or Temple, in His own temple relating what He did about My Father's House, or Temple.

The issue about "without hands" having to do with God's need of no hands - especially wicked hands.

For He told David's son, Solomon that he - Solomon - would build Him the House that David had desired to but for the blood on his hands.

Repeatedly in this is a contrast between Israel's many disobediences and yet God's intent FOR AND IN HIMSELF through that people one day, thus - nevertheless.

Thus, Paul's Israelite also perspective, Rom. 11:1, that, as concerning His people WHICH HE FOREKNEW as to His intent FOR HIMSELF through their agency one day - "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance," Rom. 11:29.

And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. - Rev. 11:19
 
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And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail. - Rev. 11:19

Revelation 21:

2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
 
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Revelation 21:

2. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21

1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
 
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The Temple now sits at the right hand of the Father.
I believe you meant that the Great High Priest now sits in the Temple (sanctuary) in Heaven at the right hand of the Father (Heb 8:1,2). Christ is NOT the Temple at present, but God and Christ will be the future "Temple" in Heaven (Rev 21:22).

That certainly does not nullify a physical Temple in Jerusalem on earth, where all the nations come to worship during the Millenium and after that (Rev 21:24; Ezek 43:7; Zech 14:16, 17).
 
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I believe you meant that the Great High Priest now sits in the Temple (sanctuary) in Heaven at the right hand of the Father (Heb 8:1,2). Christ is NOT the Temple at present, but God and Christ will be the future "Temple" in Heaven (Rev 21:22).

That certainly does not nullify a physical Temple in Jerusalem on earth, where all the nations come to worship during the Millenium and after that (Rev 21:24; Ezek 43:7; Zech 14:16, 17).

There is no physical Temple in Jerusalem on earth where all the nations come to worship during the Millennium and after that. The Bible never teaches that either in Rev. 21:24, Ezek. 43:7, or Zech 14:16-17.
 
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I believe you meant that the Great High Priest now sits in the Temple (sanctuary) in Heaven at the right hand of the Father (Heb 8:1,2). Christ is NOT the Temple at present, but God and Christ will be the future "Temple" in Heaven (Rev 21:22).

That certainly does not nullify a physical Temple in Jerusalem on earth, where all the nations come to worship during the Millenium and after that (Rev 21:24; Ezek 43:7; Zech 14:16, 17).

They destroyed the temple of His Body and in three days He raised it up, just as He said He would. (Past tense)

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them,Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 2:20
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Joh 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.

Joh 2:22
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


If a manmade temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, it will not be the temple of God.
It will be the exact opposite.


Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but arethe synagogue of Satan.

Rev_3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.









 
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They destroyed the temple of His Body and in three days He raised it up, just as He said He would. (Past tense)

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them,Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

Joh 2:20
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

Joh 2:21
But he spake of the temple of his body.

Joh 2:22
When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


If a manmade temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem, it will not be the temple of God.
It will be the exact opposite.


Rev_2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but arethe synagogue of Satan.

Rev_3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.










True. And even if they built this pretty building in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, it still wouldn't be the Temple of God because God has already ordained his Temple in Heaven and placed his Ark of the Covenant there.

There is never more a Temple of God on this earth, nor is there even the possibility because it has all been raised to the Heavens in its spiritual reality and fulfillment.

Those who look for an earthly Temple in Jerusalem have completely missed the advent of Jesus Christ and the New Testament of his blood in their entirety. I mean they have completely missed the meaning and portent of Christianity as a whole. They made the exact same mistake the Jews in Jesus' own day did. They looked for an earthly kingdom, with an earthly king, and it did not happen then, and will not happen ever. It has all been raised up to heavenly planes forever, as prophecied.

Jesus Christ will never reign from this earth, there will never be an earthly Temple ordained on this earth again, and therefore, there will never be an abomination of desolation in an earthly temple on this earth again. These things are done and have been done for one thousand, nine hundred and forty five years and counting.
 
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How do you interpret this verse?
"And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." -- Rev 18:23 KJV
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Hi.

Because that city -IS- the woman, this means the woman is put to death, and she is remade, holy. The woman is a sister. The city is a twin. The sister is the woman in the wilderness, the twin city is the city of Jerusalem. They are opposites.

Just as the NHNE are a righteous society formed under the manifest presence of Christ, the wicked MBTG is put to death and is never seen again. She is unrighteous society - not a literal city location.
 
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True. And even if they built this pretty building in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount, it still wouldn't be the Temple of God because God has already ordained his Temple in Heaven and placed his Ark of the Covenant there.

There is never more a Temple of God on this earth, nor is there even the possibility because it has all been raised to the Heavens in its spiritual reality and fulfillment.

Those who look for an earthly Temple in Jerusalem have completely missed the advent of Jesus Christ and the New Testament of his blood in their entirety. I mean they have completely missed the meaning and portent of Christianity as a whole. They made the exact same mistake the Jews in Jesus' own day did. They looked for an earthly kingdom, with an earthly king, and it did not happen then, and will not happen ever. It has all been raised up to heavenly planes forever, as prophecied.

Jesus Christ will never reign from this earth, there will never be an earthly Temple ordained on this earth again, and therefore, there will never be an abomination of desolation in an earthly temple on this earth again. These things are done and have been done for one thousand, nine hundred and forty five years and counting.


Of course this is human reasoning without scriptural backing. Where do you think Tim LeHaye and Jerry got the ideas for the books? They did not just pull those ideas out of a hat. (I am joking.)

The truth is, the bible TEACHES us there will be a new temple built. Why not leave human reasoning behind and just believe what is written? Jesus told the disciples they would be judges during the Millennial reign of Christ. Ezekiel spent many chapters describing the new temple were Jesus will be.

Of course I understand, "future" is not in your vocabulary. It certainly is in God's vocabulary.
 
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Hi.

Because that city -IS- the woman, this means the woman is put to death, and she is remade, holy. The woman is a sister. The city is a twin. The sister is the woman in the wilderness, the twin city is the city of Jerusalem. They are opposites.

Just as the NHNE are a righteous society formed under the manifest presence of Christ, the wicked MBTG is put to death and is never seen again. She is unrighteous society - not a literal city location.

Say WHAT? The city is Jerusalem, FUTURE Jerusalem. It will be MYSTERY babylon that is destroyed - never to rise again. That means a city that is deceiving the ENTIRE WORLD with false miracles and lies. THAT city will never be again once it is destroyed. The real city of Jerusalem will be rebuilt and will be Jesus' headquarters for a thousand years.
 
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"Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?" (1 Cor 3:16)

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own" (1 Cor 6:19)

So the new Temple is the Church, the Body of Christ, the Believers.

Which implies the someone who "sits in Temple" is actually the spirit of Satan at work in the Church itself (ie: each of us), driving Christians to become apostate.

Why would God have a third literal temple built? Jesus and the Body of Christ (us) IS the third temple. Hence him saying in John 4:21-24 "the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.... the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth".
 
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Josephus, War 6:5.3

3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence." But, what is still more terrible, there was one Jesus, the son of Ananus, a plebeian and a husbandman, who, four years before the war began, and at a time when the city was in very great peace and prosperity, came to that feast whereon it is our custom for every one to make tabernacles to God in the temple, began on a sudden to cry aloud, "A voice from the east, a voice from the west, a voice from the four winds, a voice against Jerusalem and the holy house, a voice against the bridegrooms and the brides, and a voice against this whole people!" This was his cry, as he went about by day and by night, in all the lanes of the city. However, certain of the most eminent among the populace had great indignation at this dire cry of his, and took up the man, and gave him a great number of severe stripes; yet did not he either say any thing for himself, or any thing peculiar to those that chastised him, but still went on with the same words which he cried before. Hereupon our rulers, supposing, as the case proved to be, that this was a sort of divine fury in the man, brought him to the Roman procurator, where he was whipped till his bones were laid bare; yet he did not make any supplication for himself, nor shed any tears, but turning his voice to the most lamentable tone possible, at every stroke of the whip his answer was, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" And when Albinus (for he was then our procurator) asked him, Who he was? and whence he came? and why he uttered such words? he made no manner of reply to what he said, but still did not leave off his melancholy ditty, till Albinus took him to be a madman, and dismissed him. Now, during all the time that passed before the war began, this man did not go near any of the citizens, nor was seen by them while he said so; but he every day uttered these lamentable words, as if it were his premeditated vow, "Woe, woe to Jerusalem!" Nor did he give ill words to any of those that beat him every day, nor good words to those that gave him food; but this was his reply to all men, and indeed no other than a melancholy presage of what was to come. This cry of his was the loudest at the festivals; and he continued this ditty for seven years and five months, without growing hoarse, or being tired therewith, until the very time that he saw his presage in earnest fulfilled in our siege, when it ceased; for as he was going round upon the wall, he cried out with his utmost force, "Woe, woe to the city again, and to the people, and to the holy house!" And just as he added at the last, "Woe, woe to myself also!" there came a stone out of one of the engines, and smote him, and killed him immediately; and as he was uttering the very same presages he gave up the ghost.
 
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Josephus, War 6:5.3
Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities.

This is Robert Thrall's translation of that event:

"What I am about to relate would, I conceive, be deemed a mere fable, had it not been related by eye-witnesses, and attended by calamities commensurate with such portents. Before sunset were seen around the whole country chariots poised in the air, and armed battalions speeding through the clouds and investing the cities" [Robert Traill, "The Jewish War of Flavius Josephus Vol II." Houlston and Stoneman, 1851, Matt 24:30, p.197]

Tacitus also wrote about it:

"There had happened omens and prodigies, things which that nation so addicted to superstition, but so averse to the Gods, hold it unlawful to expiate either by vows or victims. Hosts were seen to encounter in the air, refulgent arms appeared; and, by a blaze of lightning shooting suddenly from the clouds, all the Temple was illuminated. The great gates of the Temple were of themselves in an instant thrown open, and a voice more than human heard to declare, that “the Gods were going to depart.” There followed withal a huge stir and tumult, as resulting from their motion and departure: Wonders from which some few found cause of dread. Many were under a strong persuasion, that in the ancient books kept by their Priests, a Prophecy was contained, “That at this very time the power of the East would prevail, and out of Judæa should spring such as were to rule over all nations:” A prophetic riddle, by which Vespasian and Titus were prefigured." [Thomas Gordon, "The Work of Tacitus Vol IV." T. & T. Longman, et al., 1753, Matt 24:30, pp.12-13]

It certainly appears the Lord came in the "clouds of heaven" during His generation, as he said he would. Those are similar to the Lord and his armies in Rev 19, who were also in heaven:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." -- Rev 19:11-15 KJV

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